Well of course not, silly. I don't need to pretend anything because all my pretenses died when I realized I'm nothing, that all the garbage dumped in me accumulated over centuries, was a joke. That's why I don't need them anymore. I have learned, of course, that to the pretentious there is no bigger asshole the he who does not pretend. It's how you become a mirror. Everybody sees their own joke in me. Everybody hates he who has let go. It's a psychological fact that that is how we are. You will either see that you are the asshole or you won't. It makes not the slightest difference to me.
Well of course not, silly. I don't need to pretend anything because all my pretenses died when I realized I'm nothing, that all the garbage dumped in me accumulated over centuries, was a joke. That's why I don't need them anymore. I have learned, of course, that to the pretentious there is no bigger asshole the he who does not pretend. It's how you become a mirror. Everybody sees their own joke in me. Everybody hates he who has let go. It's a psychological fact that that is how we are. You will either see that you are the asshole or you won't. It makes not the slightest difference to me.
As much as you enjoy the sound of your own speech and your intro to psychology bullshit, it really doesn't mean anything, and is utterly useless.
I could say "oh yeah, I know nothing, silly me, let's stop everything and revel in the fact that we know nothing, so there is no point in discussing topics because after all we don't know anything about them", but then I'd be a jaded Psych major who just realized his degree is meaningless and he provides no worth to the world around him, except for hoping others will lap up his bullshit so he can feel important.
I think I'll just choose to believe that we know *something* but we can never know *everything*. That way I won't just be spouting off silly little quotes from a scientist who one day decided to be philosophical.
God causes men who know him to tell others about him. What they tell to those who don't know God applies to the told only as individuals in their own time.
What people hear when they are told of God has nothing at all to do with God.
Religions are the detritus of teaching schools where once a light shown. Only the Knower is free from the Devil of mechanically called sleep.
The God you believe in or doubt isn't God. God is known to the awake and not to folks who just think they are.
To know God is to not know God for as Meister EcKhart said, "The eye with I see God is the same eye with which he sees me."
What people hear when they are told of God has nothing at all to do with God.
Religions are the detritus of teaching schools where once a light shown. Only the Knower is free from the Devil of mechanically called sleep.
The God you believe in or doubt isn't God. God is known to the awake and not to folks who just think they are.
To know God is to not know God for as Meister EcKhart said, "The eye with I see God is the same eye with which he sees me."
Wow. Speaking of stuffed full of crap. Definitely seems like someone has been enthusiastically taking notes in Psych 101.
A: As much as you enjoy the sound of your own speech and your intro to psychology bullshit, it really doesn't mean anything, and is utterly useless.
Uranium, of course is useless to a cave man so your point here is moot.
A: I could say "oh yeah, I know nothing, silly me, let's stop everything and revel in the fact that we know nothing, so there is no point in discussing topics because after all we don't know anything about them", but then I'd be a jaded Psych major who just realized his degree is meaningless and he provides no worth to the world around him, except for hoping others will lap up his bullshit so he can feel important.
M: Hehe, when you know nothing you shouldn't strive for implications. The implications of foolish assumptions can be tragic. First deal with the fact that you know nothing and then you will know where it leads and should lead. Your psych stuff is just a regurgitation of put-downs you've been taught and think will carry some punch. You can't punch a nothing like me. I haven't even ever studied psychology, sorry. Psychologists know nothing too.
A: I think I'll just choose to believe that we know *something* but we can never know *everything*. That way I won't just be spouting off silly little quotes from a scientist who one day decided to be philosophical.
M: No your big fat ego will convince you that the nothing you think you know is everything as it has already numerous times even in this post I am replying to. You will completely discount the fact of what you don't know and stuff yourself full of opinions. Then you will go out in the world and spread the disease to others till the wars do you all in. Humanity is sick with a disease that is fatal, but hey, "I an entitled to my opinions." Never mind that your path leads to the end of human life. We are dying because we are clowns.
Uranium, of course is useless to a cave man so your point here is moot.
A: I could say "oh yeah, I know nothing, silly me, let's stop everything and revel in the fact that we know nothing, so there is no point in discussing topics because after all we don't know anything about them", but then I'd be a jaded Psych major who just realized his degree is meaningless and he provides no worth to the world around him, except for hoping others will lap up his bullshit so he can feel important.
M: Hehe, when you know nothing you shouldn't strive for implications. The implications of foolish assumptions can be tragic. First deal with the fact that you know nothing and then you will know where it leads and should lead. Your psych stuff is just a regurgitation of put-downs you've been taught and think will carry some punch. You can't punch a nothing like me. I haven't even ever studied psychology, sorry. Psychologists know nothing too.
A: I think I'll just choose to believe that we know *something* but we can never know *everything*. That way I won't just be spouting off silly little quotes from a scientist who one day decided to be philosophical.
M: No your big fat ego will convince you that the nothing you think you know is everything as it has already numerous times even in this post I am replying to. You will completely discount the fact of what you don't know and stuff yourself full of opinions. Then you will go out in the world and spread the disease to others till the wars do you all in. Humanity is sick with a disease that is fatal, but hey, "I an entitled to my opinions." Never mind that your path leads to the end of human life. We are dying because we are clowns.
Oh, and I didn't notice this until now. Your logic here is really bad. The entire basis of science is to go around proving or disproving a positive. Not a negative. Failure to prove the negative is a classic logical fallacy that you are attempting to employ here. Just because god has not been disproven does not mean that he exists.
You have failed to grasp the reason why god has no place in science is because there is no reasonable proof he exists, not due to some dogmatic conflict. In the case of science god is subject to the same rules as everything else. For the same reason, scientists do not include the whims of the flying spaghetti monster in their calculations.
If there is ever empirical evidence to suggest the existence and influence of god (or spaghetti monsters) on areas being studied by scientists... then they should definitely take it into account... as that would be the intellectually honest thing to do. I'm not going to hold my breath though.
I think everyone is tired of your postmodern Nietzsche nihilism crap moonbeam, it's usually the preferred vehicle of disgruntled high school kids. We know everything you think you know is crap, everyone is crap, liberate yourself. blah blah blah.
You are trying to imply that nobody should speak without absolute knowledge. That is stupid.
I really don't care what people believe, and I know better then to try and convince anyone to change their beliefs, but really what you are saying here is devoid of any intellectual merit.
You are trying to imply that nobody should speak without absolute knowledge. That is stupid.
I really don't care what people believe, and I know better then to try and convince anyone to change their beliefs, but really what you are saying here is devoid of any intellectual merit.
It's not irrelevant. He claimed that religious people oppose science, which is false. It's what's called a hasty generalization, one of ATP&N's favorite fallacies.
This just tells me that you haven't had the misfortune of competing in today's peer review process. Bias abounds and stifles a lot of good work. I'm not sure that this is avoidable, unfortunately, and the peer review process is still perhaps the best method to achieve good science, but I don't think it's safe to say that it gives results that are free from bias.
Please, since what you don't understand has to be reduced in your ignorance to high school mentality is only a demonstration that that is your preferred level. And Nietzsche didn't know anything either. You like, Aisengard think you know the alternatives to your ignorance that knowing nothing must imply silence and you need to know everything to speak. You know nothing but are doing a great job of showing it by speaking, no? What you with your big fat ego fails to see is that knowing nothing leads to genuine modesty. It is the innocence of mind required to see that which is hidden to egotistical fools who are blinded by their egotistical needs to deny they know nothing. As long as you worship the stuffed goose that your ego is, you will continue to know nothing and the door to knowledge, the lack of egotistical assumption, will be barred to you. You are presumptuous and that makes you blind.
OT: Its startling how many biologists fail to comprehend relatively simple concepts such as correlation does not imply causation.
To be free of bias is to be free of the need to be right. To be free of the need to be right is to be free of feeling worthless because you fear being wrong. To be scientific and religious is self love, a love of self so strong it creates empathy for ALL, the universe and all living things. Ego is nothing but hidden self hate. It's what dies on the cross to be reborn.
In God you have your breath and being, but you say God does not exist. You are the one who is upside down. The God you don't believe in does not exist. You can't disbelieve in the God that exists because you have completely forgotten he does. He is a total unknown to you. He is a big surprise you know nothing about.
You can't disbelieve in what you know nothing about any more than what believers believe God is is God. You believe that something that does not exist does not exist and they believe that it does. You are just like them, deluded.Okay.. if Moonbeam is just trolling, the joke's on me then. Guess I should have realized it sooner.
God, I hope he's just trolling. Or is a recent lobotomy victim. Either one of those would make a lot more sense then what I've been reading the last few posts.
God, I hope he's just trolling. Or is a recent lobotomy victim. Either one of those would make a lot more sense then what I've been reading the last few posts.
Billions of people and thousands of years of time and nobody has told you a final truth you can understand. And you still think you will get there with words for your verbal brain. You would have better luck with a lobotomy because it's indeed what the truth will do. He who knows doesn't have a need to think. Mountains are mountains to the lobotomized just like they are to the Knower. There is just knowing and knowing that you know, no?
Hint: If you are scratching your head over a paradox, the truth may be very near.
It is defensiveness that makes people react as if they were under attack. Truth is an attack on defensiveness. No defensiveness and the truth is there.
"I'm too proud to be nothing, God Damn it!" Hehe!
I'm sure that in the end we are all nothing, I don't have a belief in any afterlife. I'm not defending myself, I'm telling you that what you are saying is stupid. Like I said before, I'm not going to try to change your mind... that never works. At first I was irritated by your comfort in ignorance, now it's just sort of sad. Not only are you putting forth ideas that are stupid, but you think that you're somehow in on a secret and revel in your stupidity. Someday you will grow out of this phase... but I guess today's not that day.
My friend, you only describe yourself. But you aren't sad. You could not be other than as you are. You must protect your ego. And the afterlife starts with the death of the false self, that ego, not with physical death. Who knows what happens then.
There is no point to this anymore. I give up! You have simply worn me into submission with your psychobabble.
I'm pretty much at the end of my patience with you, so I'm just going to leave this where it is. (wherever it is the sick donkey humping disaster that this conversation has become might even be)
I'm pretty much at the end of my patience with you, so I'm just going to leave this where it is. (wherever it is the sick donkey humping disaster that this conversation has become might even be)
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You have to take moonbeam with a grain of salt. I got pissed off at him a lot when I first came here, but then I read his sig more closely and really took it to heart.
"The above is probably just my usual sarcasm and in no way reflects my real opinion (and,or) may include subtleties of sufficient rarity as to appear to the unsuspecting like total gibberish"
Now I just get a good laugh.
Actually what your post does is prove what I said in my sig, that some are too shallow to understand.
So Moonbeam is being sarcastic? He's not serious? I think I kind of get it. Here I thought he was being all jaded and useless. I could be clever and reply Uranium has no use to a caveman true, but that doesn't mean he should discount rocks. But I have a suspicion I wasn't playing with uranium anyway. Haha?
OK I'll try to help you through it again:
A: As much as you enjoy the sound of your own speech and your intro to psychology bullshit, it really doesn't mean anything, and is utterly useless.
M: Now first off remember that you know nothing but think you do because you are stuffed full of yourself. You know nothing about what I enjoy. Therefore only from self observation could you have ever come to the conclusion that I love the sound of my own speech. This is called projection and is a scientifically provable scientific fact. It is your lack of knowledge that causes it to look like bullshit because that's what you are full of and therefore see in everybody and everything else. You make no case, you have no argument, you simply spout and pronounce like a wind up music box.
A: I could say "oh yeah, I know nothing, silly me,
M: You say you could but the fact is you can't because you know nothing about humility. You are ashamed you know nothing and that's why you have to pretend.
A: let's stop everything and revel in the fact that we know nothing,
M: You see, for you everything is about reveling because you need to preen yourself and imagine you are something even if it's pride in being nothing. You have no humility so you can't imagine you can just be a nothing and that is that. You need to be the world's greatest nothing if you are going there.
A: so there is no point in discussing topics because after all we don't know anything about them",
M: No, there is no intention on your part to have a discussion because we are discussing something right now, something that leads where you don't want to go. Everything is wonderful as long as you have control, but when a mirror appears you run for the hills and call out the put down dogs. You want old Moonbeam to feel that he's the problem. Hehe, you may be a one-eyed Jack, Dad, but I seen the other side of your face.
A: but then I'd be a jaded Psych major who just realized his degree is meaningless and he provides no worth to the world around him, except for hoping others will lap up his bullshit so he can feel important.
M: Again you know nothing about how important I am or need to be so you tell me all about yourself and what you do to keep from feeling how worthless you feel. I'm sorry to hear that you're jaded but of course I already knew. Pretension is exhausting. When you realize you don't know anything and don't need to you will become quite relaxed and even start having some real down to earth fun.
A: I think I'll just choose to believe that we know *something* but we can never know *everything*. That way I won't just be spouting off silly little quotes from a scientist who one day decided to be philosophical.
M: Why not instead realize you know nothing. At least you'll be right about that. But don't tell anybody else they they know nothing because they'll get really upset.
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