Logic

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: her209
The Sun revolves around the Earth... oh, wait!

your point? other than to increase your post count!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Christianity can not be compared to any other religion, because no other religion has anything comparable with the substance to be found within it.

This type of ignorance is what really pisses me off when trying to reason with people who have no intention of ever examining real facts.

I see no ignorance on Seekermiesters part.
But I see alot of ignorance being displayed by people who cannot debate this subject without resorting to name calling and insults.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
It is obvious, that the last several posters are not capable of sticking to a subject. I was, and am not the subject of this thread. For some people, when they are unable to say anything pertinent, they will say just anything which comes to mind, because they have no control over their tongue. In case anyone has forgotten, the subject is logic...not illogic.

:laugh: He obviously just started this thread to find out what logic happened to be, since everyone who's ever understood what logic was knew that logical and illogical (illogic isn't even a word, Seeker) are as closely related as any other antonyms in the English language.:laugh:

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Christianity can not be compared to any other religion, because no other religion has anything comparable with the substance to be found within it.

This type of ignorance is what really pisses me off when trying to reason with people who have no intention of ever examining real facts.

I see no ignorance on Seekermiesters part.
But I see alot of ignorance being displayed by people who cannot debate this subject without resorting to name calling and insults.

Just because you agree with someone else's ignorance does not mean that they are right.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
It is obvious, that the last several posters are not capable of sticking to a subject. I was, and am not the subject of this thread. For some people, when they are unable to say anything pertinent, they will say just anything which comes to mind, because they have no control over their tongue. In case anyone has forgotten, the subject is logic...not illogic.

I don't think I've ever seen one person blather on as much as you and still manage not to say anything. Look, the only folks who think mainstream religion is somehow "logical" and want it elevated to the same level as science are the ultra-religious such as yourself. Face it, when you became a Christian you bought into an entirely preconceived notion of reality. You turned your critical thinking off, so you could blindly accept what you were being told. There's nothing scientific and nothing logical about it.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
It is obvious, that the last several posters are not capable of sticking to a subject. I was, and am not the subject of this thread. For some people, when they are unable to say anything pertinent, they will say just anything which comes to mind, because they have no control over their tongue. In case anyone has forgotten, the subject is logic...not illogic.

I don't think I've ever seen one person blather on as much as you and still manage not to say anything. Look, the only folks who think mainstream religion is somehow "logical" and want it elevated to the same level as science are the ultra-religious such as yourself. Face it, when you became a Christian you bought into an entirely preconceived notion of reality. You turned your critical thinking off, so you could blindly accept what you were being told. There's nothing scientific and nothing logical about it.

QFT

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: her209
The Sun revolves around the Earth... oh, wait!

your point? other than to increase your post count!!

Christianity is never wrong because its was handed down by God himself.

 

[dahunan]

If Jesus was real then why did the Jews kill him

Why aren't we still speaking Hewbrew so we could understand the words men wrote back then and called the bible

Do any modern day Christians really study the true history of the bible and the many revisions of it

Jesus taught Love and you current Conservatives preach sin and hate

 

[Moonbeam]

Seekermeister is illogical. He thinks grace can't be had via logic, good works, or any form of personal effort. He is an accident. He happened to be worthy of grace through no personal effort of his own. It was in the cards the day God created the universe. And the wonderful thing about his grace is that it removed his ego.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Christianity can not be compared to any other religion, because no other religion has anything comparable with the substance to be found within it.

This type of ignorance is what really pisses me off when trying to reason with people who have no intention of ever examining real facts.

I see no ignorance on Seekermiesters part.
But I see alot of ignorance being displayed by people who cannot debate this subject without resorting to name calling and insults.

Debate what? Debate Seeker's ridiculous claims that Christianity is above all other religions? He hasn't presented any sort of point to support his claim, so there is nothing to argue against.

 

[Seekermeister]

blackllotus,

Debate what? Debate Seeker's ridiculous claims that Christianity is above all other religions? He hasn't presented any sort of point to support his claim, so there is nothing to argue against.

Is that all that you think that debating is about...arguing? If I have not said anything to argue with, then why is there so much arguing? Perhaps the reason that I don't say more is because I don't want to simply feed the fire.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
After browsing through the P&N, it is apparent to me that it's very similar to other debate forums where I have been. The variety of viewpoints and beliefs is primarily due to the manner in which each person uses or does not use logic. Logic is a basic component of every aspect of life, from living it, to studying it. Logic is merely a name for the perception of truth. Used badly, it can be hide or camouflage the truth.

Since logic touches so many things, it is not possible to detail every facet of it, but there are two divisions which can be studied more easily...science and religion. These two avenues are the basis of just about everything else relating to modern life.

Anyone who has read any of my posts already knows that I have a faith which is strongly Christian, so I'm not going to focus on that. Nor am I going to focus strictly on science, but how the two interrelate. Contrary to the beliefs of many, science has alot of builtin fallicies which dominate certain fields of academia.

My purpose is not to attempt to destroy science, because I consider it a very worthwhile endeavor. But, the only way that both science and religion can serve us best, is if we can find a way to make them intermesh, without undue influence of one on the other.

I'm only attempting to set the tone of any discussions that I expect will ensue, without simply using the thread to expound of my thoughts only. I do not want this to simply become a stage for trolls amuse themselves shouting their poorly thought out insults at anyone, but I seriously doubt that will happen. Therefore, I shall say now, that I shall only respond to someone that says something worth responding to, whether I agree with them or not.

So, let's try to keep the subject as logic, not simply science, religion or politics. I invite anyone that wishes to step up to their keyboards and express their thoughts. Since I do not want to dominate the thread, I shall try to keep my mouth shut...as much as I can...however little that might be. I shall keep my posts impersonal, so I hope that the rest of you will also.

I can see where your coming from but I suspect this thread will become a troll stage.
As logic dictates that a large percentage of people in P and N closed thier eyes the minute you said God or religion.

sandorsky: science once said the earth was flat as well

 

[Seekermeister]

daniel49,

It already has, but I'm accustomed to that. However, there are more people reading this than just the trolls, and maybe I can say something that will cause them to think. As for the trolls, if they do ever open their eyes, this thread will still be there, and even if they don't understand anything that I have said, they might reconsider what they have said. In any case, they can never say that I didn't warn them.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Is that all that you think that debating is about...arguing?

Well, to debate is to argue.

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Perhaps the reason that I don't say more is because I don't want to simply feed the fire.

But you have fed the fire. Not only have you insulted science, but you have insulted every single other religion on this planet.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: daniel49
science once said the earth was flat as well

And now it doesn't. Science changes based on evidence to the contrary. That's what makes it valid.

Various parts of religion have been proven wrong over time. The Earth is certifiably not 5000 years old. Humans were not created out of clay. The problem with religion is that if you have to accept everything it states, then you are instantly accepting falsehood.

If only religion was actually the religion of the soul, then it might be valid and worthwhile. But if it continues to rely on a storybook like the Bible, which is nice but some parts of it are completely ludicrous, it will never be accepted as valid by any logical being.

 

[Seekermeister]

blackllotus,

Well, to debate is to argue.

Too often, that is what a debate becomes, but a worthwhile debate is one in which holders of both sides of an issue present their perspectives in a fashion that, hopefully, will produce a clear answer to illuminate all involved. Argument has no goal other than to vent, amuse or bury the truth.

 

[Seekermeister]

Aisengard,

it will never be accepted as valid by any logical being.

I know many Christians that are extremely logical. Believe it or not, I have known some people of other faiths that were logical also.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Aisengard,

it will never be accepted as valid by any logical being.

I know many Christians that are extremely logical. Believe it or not, I have known some people of other faiths that were logical also.

Everyone is Logical, but not everything is Logical nor is everyone Logical all the time.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: daniel49
science once said the earth was flat as well

And now it doesn't. Science changes based on evidence to the contrary. That's what makes it valid.

Various parts of religion have been proven wrong over time. The Earth is certifiably not 5000 years old. Humans were not created out of clay. The problem with religion is that if you have to accept everything it states, then you are instantly accepting falsehood.

If only religion was actually the religion of the soul, then it might be valid and worthwhile. But if it continues to rely on a storybook like the Bible, which is nice but some parts of it are completely ludicrous, it will never be accepted as valid by any logical being.

Are you saying that everyone that believes in religion is not a "logical being"?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: daniel49
science once said the earth was flat as well

And now it doesn't. Science changes based on evidence to the contrary. That's what makes it valid.

Various parts of religion have been proven wrong over time. The Earth is certifiably not 5000 years old. Humans were not created out of clay. The problem with religion is that if you have to accept everything it states, then you are instantly accepting falsehood.

If only religion was actually the religion of the soul, then it might be valid and worthwhile. But if it continues to rely on a storybook like the Bible, which is nice but some parts of it are completely ludicrous, it will never be accepted as valid by any logical being.

Are you saying that everyone that believes in religion is not a "logical being"?

Religion is not logical, it is based off of faith which is a willing suspension of logic.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: daniel49
science once said the earth was flat as well

And now it doesn't. Science changes based on evidence to the contrary. That's what makes it valid.

Various parts of religion have been proven wrong over time. The Earth is certifiably not 5000 years old. Humans were not created out of clay. The problem with religion is that if you have to accept everything it states, then you are instantly accepting falsehood.

If only religion was actually the religion of the soul, then it might be valid and worthwhile. But if it continues to rely on a storybook like the Bible, which is nice but some parts of it are completely ludicrous, it will never be accepted as valid by any logical being.

Are you saying that everyone that believes in religion is not a "logical being"?

Religion is not logical, it is based off of faith which is a willing suspension of logic.

This is a "no spin zone", yes or no.

What say you?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Religion is not logical, it is based off of faith which is a willing suspension of logic.

This is a "no spin zone", yes or no.

What say you?

No spin, just simple fact, if you think people who base their moral codes off of fairys in the sky are logical then there you go.

 

[Seekermeister]

Steeplerot,

What do you base your moral code on? Simply on whatever you decide?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Steeplerot,

What do you base your moral code on? Simply on whatever you decide?

Why would I need a moral code? Treat others how you would be treated, this is a natural instinct of people and even our cousins in the primate family.

(That is unless your a sociopath- which christers seem to think everyone is.)

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
blackllotus,

Well, to debate is to argue.

Too often, that is what a debate becomes, but a worthwhile debate is one in which holders of both sides of an issue present their perspectives in a fashion that, hopefully, will produce a clear answer to illuminate all involved. Argument has no goal other than to vent, amuse or bury the truth.

Translation - It's only valid unless it's congruent with my beliefs.