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palindrome

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http://nintendocommunity.com/blog/460.html

The Nintendo Wii is NOT the Game Cube.

As Miyamoto says about the Wii?

?The hardware is basically a GC. We?ve upgraded our development tools to new versions but, you can still use GC programs as they are. With that in mind, I thought we could remake GC titles for the Wii and modify them to work with the Wii remote so that they?re more fun to play.?

This statement been making its speedy journey around the web, with the predictable result.

?i tuld u tha Wee sux0rs!?
?Thus proving the Wii is infact.. a repackaged gamecube?
?Rofl @ Nintendo?

The argument need to be split in half to avoid confusion. Lumping the two arguments together ends in a negative situation, where neither of the debating parties can influence the opposition.

Firstly, The Wii is GameCube 1.5?

Miyamoto, in his cute little ?Wish we had an international auxillary language to stop english speaking ?l33t? gamers from mocking our consumers? way, was accurate with his statement. The hardware is similar to the GameCube. WAIT! Don?t go running away just yet, for here is a word equation that will float your boat.

The Nintendo Wii hardware is similar to the Gamecube, as A gaming PC is similar to a Windows 95 word processing computer.

What! Says you, but my ?uber el33tzo0r? Gaming PC has 4 GB of Ram! It has 6.7 Gigahertz of processing power! THINK. Instead of thinking about the technological specifics of ?hardware capabilities?, when the above statement is made, one is referring to the style in which hardware and software are created. The Architecture of the device.

Going out on another tangent, Nintendo would not be stupid enough to make the GameCube mistake again. The GC was not a high point for flailing Nintendo. Why now, riding on the success of the Nintendo DS, an innovative handheld device that has taken the world by storm, would Nintendo choose to release an updated version of a failure?

Wii Vs Xbox360 Vs Playstation3

To be blatantly honest, the next-gen console battle will be fought between the Xbox360, and the Playstation3. Unfortunately for Sony and Microsoft, they have launched products capable of the same types of activities, with the same types of controls and the same types of games. It?s a marketing battle to see who will triumph. But for those looking for new, innovative [ie: Not BluRay] technology with an element of fun and a totally unique experience will choose the Wii. There is nothing else on the market to compete with it.

So who would buy the Wii? Just little kids right? Nintendo has many different demographics to target. From the very young, to the very old. The DS has opened the eyes of previously video game free generations, and inspired those just entering the market, as well as gameboy fans looking for a quality handheld. Half-core gamers want something fresh. they want to play with their friends and have fun. They don?t want to shell out big bucks for a gaming system, but would be happy to pay a much lower price for entertainment.

You can not compare consoles on specifications alone. You must use implementation examples to compare things. On paper, the Playstation 3 is the strongest console. Better than the Wii, better than the Xbox360. But does it have quality games? Will there be many games? Will Sony finally be able to create a game that creates a third of the hype that Halo does? Until all consoles have been released internationally, it is futile to argue over which console is ?superior? and which will succeed.

The Nintendo Wii is not a Game Cube. As the old saying goes, it?s like comparing apples and oranges. Both are in the same general class, yet there are fundamental differences that make comparing them pointless.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: nintendocommunity.com

To be blatantly honest, the next-gen console battle will be fought between the Xbox360, and the Playstation3. Unfortunately for Sony and Microsoft, they have launched products capable of the same types of activities, with the same types of controls and the same types of games.

That's not true at all. Way to fight misinformation with misinformation. :confused:

Just because the Wii is not as powerful as its competitors and it doesn't do HD resolutions, that doesn't mean it isn't competing with the other two systems. It's just competing in a different way. It will have the same types of games, including many of the same titles!

Nintendo is going after hardcore gamers this time around, that's one reason we'll see more mature titles from third-parties on the Wii. Nintendo is going after EVERYONE.

I think Nintendo will have some success with hardcore gamers if the system is as fun as everyone is saying it is, but it'll take a while. People like randay here might change their minds if their friends have it and it's fun to play.
 

palindrome

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: nintendocommunity.com

To be blatantly honest, the next-gen console battle will be fought between the Xbox360, and the Playstation3. Unfortunately for Sony and Microsoft, they have launched products capable of the same types of activities, with the same types of controls and the same types of games.

That's not true at all. Way to fight misinformation with misinformation. :confused:

Just because the Wii is not as powerful as its competitors and it doesn't do HD resolutions, that doesn't mean it isn't competing with the other two systems. It's just competing in a different way. It will have the same types of games, including many of the same titles!

Nintendo is going after hardcore gamers this time around, that's one reason we'll see more mature titles from third-parties on the Wii. Nintendo is going after EVERYONE.

I think Nintendo will have some success with hardcore gamers if the system is as fun as everyone is saying it is, but it'll take a while. People like randay here might change their minds if their friends have it and it's fun to play.

Ok, well I didn't write the article and you get what the author is trying to say. PS3 and Xbox360 offer, for the most part, the same experience, only slightly different. While the Wii puts things in a different perspective whether the same games are cross-platform or not. I would rather play NFS: Carbon on my Wii controller using it like a steering wheel or something crazy like that than playing it on an Xbox.... if I'm gonna play it on the xbox then I may as well just get it for the computer and save myself 300 bucks. HELL, xbox controllers work on the PC anyway, why is there any reason to purchase an Xbox at all!?
 

randay

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Where did this palindrome guy come from anyway? Do you work for Nintendo or something? get a clue. That blog is no different than what countless others, including yourself, has already said. Its just a rant.

Besides we have already established the fact that the wii is "approximately two times" faster then the gamecube. You are about 2 days too late to be the first to the wii's rescue. don't post if you ain't got nothing new to add.
 

palindrome

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Originally posted by: randay
Where did this palindrome guy come from anyway? Do you work for Nintendo or something? get a clue. That blog is no different than what countless others, including yourself, has already said. Its just a rant.

Besides we have already established the fact that the wii is "approximately two times" faster then the gamecube. You are about 2 days too late to be the first to the wii's rescue. don't post if you ain't got nothing new to add.

Lol, I'm not the one who started a thread titled "Nintendo Wii, nothing more then a Gamecube"

You yourself just said that the Wii is two times faster (and if you did a google search you will find from reliable sources that most believe that it is at the least 2.5x more powerful, not faster. What was the point of you starting this thread? Did you want people to call you out or no? Cause you sure asked for it....
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: palindrome
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: randay
I think the wiimote is only gonna be good when it comes to multiplayer games, other then that its gonna be like whackin off in the bathroom.

Is that a bad thing?

Are they gonna make a standard controller for when you're just not in the mood? or have a headache? or someone's already in the bathroom?

GC controller plugs right up dumbass

Randay has done a good job of showing that he is just a fanboy by making claims about thigns he doesn't know... what a chump :laugh:

I was asking a question, not making a statement. Get off your hypocritical fanboy pedestal, and grow up.

When did I say you were making a statement? My point was that you obviously have done little research into the system and decided to bash it anyway. Looks like both your spelling and your reading comprehension suck.

You were making statements earlier in the thread. Notice I quoted palindrome; the point I was making is that you are uneducated on the subject. Not once did I say your QUESTION was a statement. Good job :beer:
 

randay

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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: palindrome
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: randay
I think the wiimote is only gonna be good when it comes to multiplayer games, other then that its gonna be like whackin off in the bathroom.

Is that a bad thing?

Are they gonna make a standard controller for when you're just not in the mood? or have a headache? or someone's already in the bathroom?

GC controller plugs right up dumbass

Randay has done a good job of showing that he is just a fanboy by making claims about thigns he doesn't know... what a chump :laugh:

I was asking a question, not making a statement. Get off your hypocritical fanboy pedestal, and grow up.

When did I say you were making a statement? My point was that you obviously have done little research into the system and decided to bash it anyway. Looks like both your spelling and your reading comprehension suck.

You were making statements earlier in the thread. Notice I quoted palindrome; the point I was making is that you are uneducated on the subject. Not once did I say your QUESTION was a statement. Good job :beer:

Oh so you are another one of those guys that just say things with no proof, cool. Nice to know that.
 

everman

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Still going at it eh? You all realize that computer geeks who actually understand hardware specs are in the vast minority, right? The vast majority of consumers who will buy a console don't know the difference between blue-ray and bluetooth. The only thing that truly matters is what is fun, and what is affordable. The Wii definitly looks like it has potential to be fun (seems like most people who have played with it say it's fun), and it certainly is affordable.

Just drop the hardware specs argument, it's pointless and nobody cares anymore. The vast majority of consumers are not comparing specs, they are comparing value (which is a combination of price and fun factor). Sony is trying to make a value play by including Blu-Ray, Nintendo is too with their price point. I don't think many mainstream consumers will recognize Sony's value play though since they don't even know what Blu-Ray is, and many don't own a HDTV, but they can all compare prices.
 

LittleNemoNES

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Nintendo fans are rabid so this thread is pointless. Miyamoto basically confessed that the thing is a GCN.
Something that irks me is remember that it was supposed to be priced @ 199 but they made it 250 cos they can: Xbox is 399 and PS3 599. Before you go postal on me, I am aware that it's their right.
 

randomlinh

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Originally posted by: palindrome
Originally posted by: randay
Where did this palindrome guy come from anyway? Do you work for Nintendo or something? get a clue. That blog is no different than what countless others, including yourself, has already said. Its just a rant.

Besides we have already established the fact that the wii is "approximately two times" faster then the gamecube. You are about 2 days too late to be the first to the wii's rescue. don't post if you ain't got nothing new to add.

Lol, I'm not the one who started a thread titled "Nintendo Wii, nothing more then a Gamecube"

You yourself just said that the Wii is two times faster (and if you did a google search you will find from reliable sources that most believe that it is at the least 2.5x more powerful, not faster. What was the point of you starting this thread? Did you want people to call you out or no? Cause you sure asked for it....

while i think randay was an idiot for posting this, you're not helping. if you *read* the thread, you'd see we've already made the points you're trying to make, yet again. you're making nintendo fans look bad.
 

frostedflakes

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Originally posted by: gersson
Nintendo fans are rabid so this thread is pointless. Miyamoto basically confessed that the thing is a GCN.
Something that irks me is remember that it was supposed to be priced @ 199 but they made it 250 cos they can: Xbox is 399 and PS3 599. Before you go postal on me, I am aware that it's their right.
Keep in mind it comes with a game, so technically the Wii is $200 and the game is $50? I for one don't really care much about Wii sports, though. I'm hoping after Christmas season they'll stop the Wii + Wii sports bundle and just sell the Wii w/out game for $200 (or maybe cheaper).

So a $200 price tag isn't really innacurate. It's just that the launch bundle includes Wii sports. And IIRC the $170 price tag mentioned before was the cost of manufacturing the console, which supports what I've read that Nintendo is making a small profit on the consoles, as opposed to Sony and M$ who are losing on console sales.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: gersson
Nintendo fans are rabid so this thread is pointless. Miyamoto basically confessed that the thing is a GCN.
Something that irks me is remember that it was supposed to be priced @ 199 but they made it 250 cos they can: Xbox is 399 and PS3 599. Before you go postal on me, I am aware that it's their right.

Read the thread man, this has been discussed to death. He did not "confess" anything, he was referring to the architecture. The Wii is approximately 2 times as fast as a GameCube.

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Keep in mind it comes with a game, so technically the Wii is $200 and the game is $50? I for one don't really care much about Wii sports, though. I'm hoping after Christmas season they'll stop the Wii + Wii sports bundle and just sell the Wii w/out game for $200 (or maybe cheaper).

So a $200 price tag isn't really innacurate. It's just that the launch bundle includes Wii sports. And IIRC the $170 price tag mentioned before was the cost of manufacturing the console, which supports what I've read that Nintendo is making a small profit on the consoles, as opposed to Sony and M$ who are losing on console sales.

Wii Sports is a ~$30 game. It has no depth, it's just a few minigames intended to show off the capabilities of the Wii remote and get the player used to the new control style. It might be fun with a group of people, but I think it'll be pretty boring to play by yourself.
 

randay

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Originally posted by: mugs

Wii Sports is a ~$30 game. It has no depth, it's just a few minigames intended to show off the capabilities of the Wii remote and get the player used to the new control style. It might be fun with a group of people, but I think it'll be pretty boring to play by yourself.

Unless you are playing for practice so you can whoop your friends later. Don't lie, you know you are gonna do it.
 

Kromis

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Yes, I am a Nintendo fan. :D

Anyways, I love this thread and I hope that it will stay alive until 11-18-06 @ 11:59 PM
 

randomlinh

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Originally posted by: gersson
Nintendo fans are rabid so this thread is pointless. Miyamoto basically confessed that the thing is a GCN.
Something that irks me is remember that it was supposed to be priced @ 199 but they made it 250 cos they can: Xbox is 399 and PS3 599. Before you go postal on me, I am aware that it's their right.

what you remember is a bunch of rumors speculating pricing because nintendo was tight lipped about it until last month. people took speculation too seriously.
 

purbeast0

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the ignorance in this thread is almost painful. there are so many clueless people in here who think they are clue-full.
 

LittleNemoNES

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
the ignorance in this thread is almost painful. there are so many clueless people in here who think they are clue-full.

Thanks for clearing the fog!
 

Born2bwire

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Originally posted by: gersson
Behold! The greatest leap in graphics a system has ever known: http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/234/928519_20060823_screen001.jpg
Is this any better?: http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/20.../reviews/932708_20061005_screen002.jpg

LOOK. I'm not a teh grafix! kinda guy (I still love NES games) but this is kinda rediculous. Nintendo is getting away with murder. A tweaked, improved GCN for a lot of money.

I have no problem paying $250 for this. I definitely have a problem paying $600 for a PS3.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: gersson
Originally posted by: purbeast0
the ignorance in this thread is almost painful. there are so many clueless people in here who think they are clue-full.

Thanks for clearing the fog!

if you search the other thousands of threads on the Wii where people discuss stuff about it and know what they are talking about, you will see it. it's been known for probably a year or more that the Wii would be nothing close to the Xbox360 or PS3 in terms of power.
 

palindrome

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Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Originally posted by: gersson
Behold! The greatest leap in graphics a system has ever known: http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/234/928519_20060823_screen001.jpg
Is this any better?: http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/20.../reviews/932708_20061005_screen002.jpg

LOOK. I'm not a teh grafix! kinda guy (I still love NES games) but this is kinda rediculous. Nintendo is getting away with murder. A tweaked, improved GCN for a lot of money.

I have no problem paying $250 for this. I definitely have a problem paying $600 for a PS3.

There was nothing wrong with the GCN in the first place... except lack of 3rd party support. Had it been there, it would have been the top console...