How often do we here the liberal politicians say we can't put a dollar amount on a life, unless the person in question is defenseless.
Ok, a billion dollars is too much to spend on the saving of humans in New Orleans. I wonder how much money will be lost from those evil businesses being closed down. At least the business are being punished for their evil ways. /sarcasm
Too bad they didn't think about the cost. Too bad they didn't realize that as costs rise over time it is cheaper to fix the problems early.
TastesLikeChicken
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mikeford has been registered here at AT longer than you. The only difference is that he hasn't made 50,000+ posts primarily consisting of
like you have, or he'd have the about the same post count too.BWA HA!
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Notice how the YABAs just divert and deflect and insult and troll and offer nothing to backup their baseless claims that the locals failed in some regard?
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Notice how the YABAs just divert and deflect and insult and troll and offer nothing to backup their baseless claims that the locals failed in some regard?
Your point is what ???
There was no warning for the Bombing of Oklahoma City. And yet FEMA was there under 12 hours. It took FEMA more than 10 times the amount of time to get to NO and it was a fricking hurricane!!!!
And the other link shows FEMA was in a different country within hours !!!!!
BTW nice partisan OP ed piece which proves nothing.
Did you not see the 6 million that was spent in early 2005 to help improve response time ???
And yet you still bring up Clinton.
Hack
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Pleae compare to events that where similiar. Just because they are two tragedies that involve FEMA, doesn't make them equal in errors of support or response time. Hell, when someone has a traffic accident, the police are there in 15 minutes. Maybe that should be the standard.
You're right. A Cat 5 hurricane hitting New Orleans should have been one of the highest priorities for the Feds. Too bad Chertoff sat on his ass waiting for the President to finish eating cake and playing guitar.
That didn't happen, I can tell you that right now.
I drove home, near downtown New Orleans, at around 9 pm on Saturday night and I took I-10 to do it which means Contraflow couldn't have been going then. I was out of the city at 4 pm so I suppose its possible they only opened Contraflow for 4 hours which doesn't really seem logical.
On Sunday, at 2 pm he did yes. I was in my car evacuating myself when they called for the mandatory evacuation. That was little over 12 hours before the storm hit the city.
Some other things you should consider:
1) The city has a plan to evacuate people before the storm hits by bus which they didn't do.
2) If they city really began preparing for this storm 4 days ahead and planned to use the Superdome, why didn't they put ANY food and water at the Superdome? Are you insinuating that they couldn't get any food or water to the dome within those 4 days? The city opened the Superdome to people at around 1 pm on Sunday (at least that's when I heard it on the radio). If they didn't intend to use the buses to get people out, could they not have rounded up water or anything else to take to the dome?
3) Contraflow helped, but it was still horrible. It was taking people hours to go 8 miles from the I-10 I-610 split to the Clearview Parkway exit which is where Contraflow began.
4) Alternate routes were worse. You couldn't go east to Mississippi and then north because Mississippi State Police shut it down to get their people out of harm's way.
4b) I took airline highway, it was backed up for over 15 miles solid with 3 lanes of traffic 15 hours before the storm hit. People were out of their cars just sitting on the highway. I wound up taking the back streets out of the city and it still took me an hour and a half to go 25 miles. The link below will show you how far that is. The traffic was backed up from Tulane Ave in the city to I-310.
Link
The pink line doesn't extend quite that far but that is how far traffic extends because the only way to get to an interstate off of airline is to hit I-310 when Contraflow is going the other options are eliminted
5) Consider all of that for a moment if you will. Traffic backed up for 15 miles 3 lanes wide on Airline. Traffic baked up for 5+ hours on I-10 with Contraflow working. And 125,000 people DIDN'T evacuate. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been if they tried to? People would have been sitting in their cars with the hurricane passing over the top of them.
A Category 5 hurricane hitting New Orleans should've been the highest priority for the state, the city, and the Army Corp of Engineers.
I'm sorry but don't expect me to blame the Feds saying they didn't take this seriously enough when the actions of all of the local government showed they weren't preparing for it either.
The levees around New Orleans could only withstand a Category 3 storm and they haven't been strengthened or updated in 40 years. Let that sink in, 40 freakin years.
Explain to me how that's the feds fault? It isn't the job of the Feds to make sure Louisiana keeps up with its own problems is it?
If it is, why do I have a governor, mayor, legislators, local legislators, and all of these people that are elected that live all around me? Aren't they supposed to take care of something?
If there is a pothole outside your driveway, do you call the President? Do you wait for them to send in the Marines to make sure your pothole is taken care of? Or might you rather call city hall and let them know what the problem is?
I'm just curious, maybe I've done it wrong for all these years.
Not updated in 40 years? That's not what has been reported up here.
As for why is it the feds' faults? Ummm...some words for you:
Mike Brown (Fired)
Michael Chertoff (Delayed response)
And, did you not read the article in the OP nor see Nagin's interview on Meet The Press?
We've been over this ad nauseum. EVERYONE knew this storm was going to overwhelm state and local resources. That's why the Gov. even said so when she declared a state of emergency on Aug. 26 and wrote her letter to the President saying local/state resources would be overwhelmed.
This has been the goal of the leftists since the say of the storm. To do whatever it takes to deflect blame off the local democratic authorities and onto Bush. Who cares about what really happened.
The sad part is in the end the congressional inquiry will shed some light on the failures and a whole new round of blaming will occur.
This is a cute article but I find it hard to believe a state of emergency existed in LA for 4 days and yet there was little help at the Superdome and evacuation orders were only given a day before the Hurricane hit. And worst of all there was no NG presence except 2K troops?
Like I said, Ill be awaiting for the congressional inquiry because relying the reporters for the facts in this mess is a pipe dream.
Like there's going to be an impartial, independent investigation. Give me a break. We've already seen the partisan BS the GOP pulled last week.
lmao I figure if they get equal numbers of people on the panel something good has to come of it.
And dont act like partisanship hasnt happened on the democratic side.
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