Llano part numbers and specs including clock speeds and TDPs leaked

Gigantopithecus

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AtenRa posted this in another thread on AMD's Fusion strategy but this is the first time I've seen these specific details. Mods, if this is old news, please simply lock this thread. If not, well, here they are:

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My first reaction is AWESOME. If these numbers are to be believed, then the quad core AMD Llano A8-3510MX with its 1.8GHz base/2.5GHz Turbo with an integrated Radeon HD 6620G with 400 Radeon Cores bests a GeForce GT 240M in 3DMarkVantage - and beats it with a TDP of 45W. Note the GT 240M by itself has a TDP of 23W.

Perhaps even better, the dual core A4-3300M APU (1.9GHz base/2.5GHz Turbo) with its integrated Radeon HD 6480G with its 240 Radeon Cores bests a 9600M GT - with a TDP of 35W.

I think these numbers are very, very exciting. And not just for the mobile market. I probably sound like a broken record since I make this point frequently, but most software demands lag so far behind hardware capability right now that the vast majority of consumers simply do not need the power of an i5-2500 or i7-2600 or the comparable upcoming Bulldozer chips. The A8-3510MX appears to perform at just about the right point for a more demanding, but still typical, computer user. Hell, now that most of my computationally intense research is done remotely on my lab's computers, I'll likely replace my own personal system with this APU. In fact, if it supports dual digital display outputs, I'm sold. With a TDP of 45W for both the quad CPU and the GPU, haha, that's just badass. Less demanding users will be fine with the A4-3300M APU - but I fear the 'M' suffix means it might not be available for desktop boards.

IMHO AMD has captured the low-to-mid range of desktop computing extremely well, and these segments constitute probably 90% of consumers. It will be interesting to see how Intel reacts, though it looks like Ivy Bridge will be hot on Llano's heels. We'll see how its IGP fares compared to the Fusion APUs. It will certainly be a marked change to be able to recommend AMD-based laptops. In fact, I doubt I will be recommending anything Intel-based once the Llano chips start hitting the market, assuming manufacturers don't drop the ball with their designs.

I would be absolutely shocked to not see Apple pick up some of these APUs for its next iterations of the MacBook, MacMini, and maybe even iMac lines.

Intel has really been hitting home runs since the Core 2 was introduced five years ago, and it's about damn time AMD started giving them real competition across almost all of the board (it does not appear that the highest-end Bulldozer will compete with the i7-2600's capacity and power draw, it seems that Bulldozer will be competitive capacity-wise but not power-wise). That's what keeps prices down and advancements coming!

Edit: found this, Llano pricing info from Digitimes.
 
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Idontcare

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If these numbers are to be believed, then the quad core AMD Llano A8-3510MX with its 1.8GHz base/2.5GHz Turbo with an integrated Radeon HD 6620G with 400 Radeon Cores bests a GeForce GT 240M in 3DMarkVantage - and beats it with a TDP of 45W.

Very nice! So I wonder what sort of clocks they are looking for bin at for the 100W SKU?
 

Gigantopithecus

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Very nice! So I wonder what sort of clocks they are looking for bin at for the 100W SKU?

Llano is aimed at the mobile and low/mid end desktop markets, i.e. there will probably be no Llano APUs with a TDP higher than 45W (at least not initially) and I seriously doubt there will ever be any Llanos at >65W.
 

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Llano is aimed at the mobile and low/mid end desktop markets, i.e. there will probably be no Llano APUs with a TDP higher than 45W (at least not initially) and I seriously doubt there will ever be any Llanos at >65W.

The high end desktop variants are rated at 100W. When AMD officially announced Llano.. they specified clock speeds of >3 GHz.
 

drizek

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Llanos 3D chip is manufactured on a process that is miles ahead of anything else. I bet one of these laptops will deliver more PPD/Watt than any other system out there.
 

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Llanos 3D chip is manufactured on a process that is miles ahead of anything else. I bet one of these laptops will deliver more PPD/Watt than any other system out there.

Yeah, this is the interesting part. How much more perf/watt can they get on the (roughly) same design when it's made on 32nm HKMG SOI, compared to 40nm bulk?
 

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Llano was supposed to use a different socket than the Bulldozer AM3+, so I'm wondering when motherboard manufacturers will start releasing motherboards for Llano, unless Llano will be like the Atom (in the sense that the CPU/etc is going to be soldered/integrated into the motherboard already)
 

Gigantopithecus

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The high end desktop variants are rated at 100W. When AMD officially announced Llano.. they specified clock speeds of >3 GHz.

DERP. I didn't realize there were higher-end 100W parts. The SKUs on the Russian site must be aimed for laptops, not desktops at all. I found this chart at CPU-World. Looks like I'll be picking up an A8-3550P for my home rig at the end of July!
 

Topweasel

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Llano was supposed to use a different socket than the Bulldozer AM3+, so I'm wondering when motherboard manufacturers will start releasing motherboards for Llano, unless Llano will be like the Atom (in the sense that the CPU/etc is going to be soldered/integrated into the motherboard already)

3 APU configurations. FS1 FM1 and FT1. FT1 is the soldered configuration but even the Llano based E- model CPU uses the FS1/FM1 options. FS1 is the laptop and FM1 the desktop.

Little sense in dedicating retail and storage space to parts that are incompatible with everything else on the market.
 

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I'm not too sure about Llano in the desktop space but Llano will definitely be a big hit for the mobile market. It could possibly be cheaper to sell a laptop with a Llano APU than it is having it separately. Not to mention the low TDP of the APU would improve the battery life of the laptop.

I would be very interested to see how well would Llano APU perform against something like Intel QuickSync from SB.
 

Topweasel

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Shouldnt FS1 be the desktop and FM1 be the mobile?

No. Mainly because they have been using S for the current laptop socket and M for the current desktop sockets (ignore the A, it was tacked on because of legal battle with BMW). They are just adding F to both since its "fusion".
 

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Llano was supposed to use a different socket than the Bulldozer AM3+, so I'm wondering when motherboard manufacturers will start releasing motherboards for Llano, unless Llano will be like the Atom (in the sense that the CPU/etc is going to be soldered/integrated into the motherboard already)


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=271164

http://www.overclock.net/amd-motherboards/1026147-list-upcoming-amd-llano-fm1-motherboards.html



Here are some motherboard pics:



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THIS little fellow (below) is my favorite of them :) I got a thing for small hardware, think they look cute.

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RyanGreener

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Yeah, thanks for feeding me the info guys....google works wonders. I forgot the socket name that they were giving the new Llano CPUs.
 

Zap

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I got a thing for small hardware, think they look cute.

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That's what she said. :D

:thumbsup: This would be awesome! For those who feel/fear that Zacate is borderline performance-wise for HTPC and even SFF desktop workstation (web/email/etc.) use, any one of these sounds great! Now, my only concern is... cost of CPU + board.

Oh yeah, my next concern is that I bought a Zacate ITX board but haven't put it to use yet...
 

Idontcare

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DERP. I didn't realize there were higher-end 100W parts. The SKUs on the Russian site must be aimed for laptops, not desktops at all. I found this chart at CPU-World. Looks like I'll be picking up an A8-3550P for my home rig at the end of July!

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Everything leaked to date, sans your thread here, has only referenced GPU clocks and TDP but never a reference to x86 core clocks.

Now we have some info on that, so it really makes me wonder just how high the 100W Llano's are going to clock the x86 cores.

Methinks everyone profits on this one :thumbsup: (except Intel lol)

That's what she said. :D

LMFAO :D
 

AtenRa

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Yes i was going to buy a Mini-iTX Zacate board but i will wait for the Llano to see the price/performance and features differences first.