little bit o news on ATI's AMR Multi rendering

[housecat]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Trust me, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong. I want a quiet card that runs fast. I mean my 9700 Pro was absolutely silent yet it offered killer performance.

There are silent X800XLs as well. I'm not that way though.
Noise is OK. No one likes obnoxious noise, and I think most of us would agree what is "too loud".

I find the X850XT PE to be more annoying than the 6800 Ultra though. I'd much rather SLI two Ultras than two of the 850s.. they really take off on startup ect.


I wouldnt subscribe to the school of thought things have to be quiet.. if I have to get something 10DB louder to blow everything on the market away performance-wise.. I'll do it.
Now if its a 747 jet blowing thru the room, I might object. We havent reached that point yet.

 

[Munky]

Now why cant you have 2 master cards? I bet that would lay down some serious ownage on all the other cards. And require it's own nuclear reactor for power,

 

[BFG10K]

No one likes obnoxious noise, and I think most of us would agree what is "too loud".

The 6800U is too loud.

I find the X850XT PE to be more annoying than the 6800 Ultra though.

Multiple reviewers have commented the card is silent even during the heaviest 3D operations. That most certainly isn't the case with the 6800U.

they really take off on startup ect.

And the 6800U really takes off during gaming. Do you buy cards to startup or to game?

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

while it is also set to be longer than its own AGP Radeon X800 XL,

I don't understand the context of this comment given the length of a X800 XL is quite short.

You're thinking about the PCIe XL. The AGP XL with the Rialto bridge is quite long.

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

No one likes obnoxious noise, and I think most of us would agree what is "too loud".

The 6800U is too loud.

I find the X850XT PE to be more annoying than the 6800 Ultra though.

Multiple reviewers have commented the card is silent even during the heaviest 3D operations. That most certainly isn't the case with the 6800U.

they really take off on startup ect.

And the 6800U really takes off during gaming. Do you buy cards to startup or to game?

Have you used a X850XT PE? Silent is NOT the word...

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: ddogg
looks like SLI by nvidia seems to get better and better everyday.
goes to show how well nvidia implemented this tech
unless ATI really outperforms nvidia on this no one is goin to buy that!(still rumors though!)

We are still in the rumors stage, but from what we have heard ATi's AMR is sounding more and more like a rush job with external cords and a special master card to required for it to work. Where did the idea that everything would be handled by the motherboard chipset and you could just pop in two PCIe ATi cards go..? Oh well, we'll see, but I'm not very hopeful that ATi's solution will meet or beat SLI.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

while it is also set to be longer than its own AGP Radeon X800 XL,

I don't understand the context of this comment given the length of a X800 XL is quite short.

You could always buy a couple Silencers or water cool BFG.

I'm not in the habit of modding components like that. I want things to work well right out of the box.

Not to 6800GT fans are pretty quiet anyway- never owned an Ultra, so I can't comment.

During gaming a 6800U is not quiet by any means. Two of them together in one case would drive me crazy.

For those using the excuse that its "too loud, too hot, too noisey" will have to find another excuse to hate Nvidia if the Inq rumors about G70 are true.

Trust me, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong. I want a quiet card that runs fast. I mean my 9700 Pro was absolutely silent yet it offered killer performance.

tha agp version they have just anounced is actually bigger than its PCI brother, with the extra circuitry for the rialto bridge i presume

have a look here tech report

"Physically, the Radeon X800 XL AGP card is huge. At nearly nine inches long, it's the largest ATI graphics card we've ever had in the labs. Note that the card also sports a four-pin Molex connector; a PCI Express x16 slot has enough juice to power the X800 XL on its own, but the AGP version of the card needs a little help."

 

[BFG10K]

Have you used a X850XT PE? Silent is NOT the word...

I've read at least five reviews that commented it was silent not to mention that I have a 6800U and it most certainly isn't silent, despite your claims.

 

[housecat]

BFG, I never said the Ultra was silent.

I'm merely saying that the X850 is NOT silent. Ask Ackmed, he uses one every day.. and he even likes ATI.. I bet he doesnt say its "silent". Thats just misleading.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: housecat
BFG, I never said the Ultra was silent.

I'm merely saying that the X850 is NOT silent. Ask Ackmed, he uses one every day.. and he even likes ATI.. I bet he doesnt say its "silent". Thats just misleading.

If you ask Ackmed, he'll say the wonderful ATI fan technology sucks other case fan noise into the X850XT PE HSF and tranports it to another dimension.

 

[housecat]

ROFL

 

[BFG10K]

I'm merely saying that the X850 is NOT silent.

I'll try to phrase it another way. Technically a silent card can only be passively cooled. However a card can be so quiet (e.g. the 9700 Pro) so that it's noise is so minimal it's not a factor.

All of the reviews I've read about the X850 have agreed that its noise is not a factor.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

No one likes obnoxious noise, and I think most of us would agree what is "too loud".

The 6800U is too loud.

I find the X850XT PE to be more annoying than the 6800 Ultra though.

Multiple reviewers have commented the card is silent even during the heaviest 3D operations. That most certainly isn't the case with the 6800U.

they really take off on startup ect.

And the 6800U really takes off during gaming. Do you buy cards to startup or to game?

Easy there....

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I'm merely saying that the X850 is NOT silent.

I'll try to phrase it another way. Technically a silent card can only be passively cooled. However a card can be so quiet (e.g. the 9700 Pro) so that it's noise is so minimal it's not a factor.

All of the reviews I've read about the X850 have agreed that its noise is not a factor.

BFG as much as youy hate your 6800U, I'd think you would have jumped all over buying my X800XT PE with Silencer installed from keysplayer2003?

That thing was pretty darn silent and would give you comparable to 6800U performance.

 

[Creig]

I'd love to know where they're getting their information. Another way to interpret a slave/master configuration is that the AMR system (possibly named Crossfire) requires a video card of R5XX level to be the master card and any R500/X850 or lower card can act as a slave.

Between their claims that it will be longer than an ATX motherboard, will require production of separate Master/Slave cards and will have an external dongle, I suspect they're simply spreading rumors.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig
I'd love to know where they're getting their information. Another way to interpret a slave/master configuration is that the AMR system (possibly named Crossfire) requires a video card of R5XX level to be the master card and any R500/X850 or lower card can act as a slave.

Between their claims that it will be longer than an ATX motherboard, will require production of separate Master/Slave cards and will have an external dongle, I suspect they're simply spreading rumors.

You could be right, but do you remember ATI talking about "It's all done with the chipset, no dongle or bridge connectors needed."?. ATI is scrambling to get to market whichever way it works. There is simply not enough time for them to just "whip something up". I highly doubt even if ATI enthusiasts will even participate if what that article says is at all factual.

If it's all BS, so much the better.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Creig
I'd love to know where they're getting their information. Another way to interpret a slave/master configuration is that the AMR system (possibly named Crossfire) requires a video card of R5XX level to be the master card and any R500/X850 or lower card can act as a slave.

Between their claims that it will be longer than an ATX motherboard, will require production of separate Master/Slave cards and will have an external dongle, I suspect they're simply spreading rumors.

here's the l;atest:

ATI Crossfire Multi VPU does split screen

NOW WE HAVE COMPLETED

our mission. We knew Multi VPU, Crossfire has three modes of rendering, AFR (Alternate Frame rendering), ATI exclusive Super Tiling and now we've found out about the last one. Crossfire supports SLI style split screen rendering.

In AFR, one card renders odd frames while the second one is rendering even frames. This is a very simple technique and we saw it before with ATI Rage Maxx cards.

Super tiling is rendering where each chip renders one tile of the whole frame. We have a picture to help you understand this better, below.

The last but not the least method is the well known split screen mode and Nvidia has used this technique for quite some time now. ATI will be able to support it as well.

Here is the picture of super tiling and as you can see that diagram actually confirms the external dongle connecter to DVI ports and that one card is master while the second one is the slave.

Pic of the Radeon Xpress 200


:roll:

 

[Sentential]

lol..... that picture is so fake.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Have you used a X850XT PE? Silent is NOT the word...

I've read at least five reviews that commented it was silent not to mention that I have a 6800U and it most certainly isn't silent, despite your claims.

well if ur blabbering so much about Ultra noises...just go get urself a new silent fan such as a Zalman...there problem solved

 

[ddogg]

does anyone like the new name ATI will be putting for its MVP, "Crossfire"?? i personally thinks its sucks!

 

[JackBurton]

I don't give a crap about its size. I still have a Voodoo5 5500 and I've got NO problem fitting that thing in my case. What I DO want to see, is if it has multi monitor support while in AMR mode.

 

[Drayvn]

"Super tiling is rendering where each chip renders one tile of the whole frame. We have a picture to help you understand this better, below."

And then they show us a picture of the Xpress 200 ,which does look fake indeed, how does that picture show us how Super Tiling works?

The Inquirer should really put their sentences in the right paragraphs.

 

[nRollo]

Dude! I'm planning to hang fuzzy dice off my dongle and mount a big ol' case fan on the extra space of my giant master PCB!

<snicker>

BTW- are they still planning to launch with Intel only? I'd think that would sink them more than minor annoyances like big cards and dongles- who uses Intel for gaming lately anyway? It's like saying,"Yes. I want to pay more money for less performance. That is the way I am."

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Dude! I'm planning to hang fuzzy dice off my dongle and mount a big ol' case fan on the extra space of my giant master PCB!

<snicker>

BTW- are they still planning to launch with Intel only? I'd think that would sink them more than minor annoyances like big cards and dongles- who uses Intel for gaming lately anyway? It's like saying,"Yes. I want to pay more money for less performance. That is the way I am."

They do have AMD chipsets coming out soon or arre they out now.

I would have thought it would be quite simple to add a few things to it to make it compatible with it maybe...

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Sentential
lol..... that picture is so fake.

LOL. That appears to be a picture of a socket939 mobo that apparently supports P4's...