little bit o news on ATI's AMR Multi rendering

[CaiNaM]

i'm not sure why everyone says the gt is "loud" compared to the x800's. i've had both in my (watercooled, quiet, and right on my desk at ear level) system and found neither to be overly noisy with stock fans...

ultras, perhaps (never used one first hand), but gt's? bahhhhh...

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Thanks, now give me my 5 seconds back.

I didnt ask for your benchmarks.

You prooved me right though, SLI doesnt give a 50% boost at all times and when it does, it has to be at a high resolution with heavy aa/af.

Most people with 17 and 19 inch LCDs dont need to worry about that.

When you run 1280 etc, its only a ~20% boost.

Just as you prooved in your bench marks, for low resolution monitors, SLI is worthless unless you want to be the fastest.

Other than being the fastest, the only situation SLI comes in handy is 1600 and up with aa.

As I stated before I was flooded with your benchmarks, I hope AMR is more efficiant.

Of course thats bad news for you.

??? i personally think sli is overrated (mostly in terms of cost/performance), but your statements are ludicrous. at least have a slight understanding of it before you trash it.

is AMR going to magically make the cpu faster?

the problem is cpu limitation at low res causing little gain. the more demanding the game and/or settings are on the video card, the greater the performance benefit. as rollo stated, it's likely it will scale much better with more demanding games such as those based on unreal3 tech -- problem is there will be faster solutions at more reasonable costs by the time that happens, as we're likely a year or more away from any games using u3 engine...

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
to game without SLI and without SM 3.0 both gamers and ATi will die a tortured death. He also trumpets loudly when anyone dares to point out that SLI doesn't always show a large benefit across the board.

Yeah, but it still is pretty much THE FASTEST thing across the board. At least in non-CPU limited setups.

I see HUGE, and I cannot overstate that enough.. huge gains when I run my A64 at 2.8ghz compared to 3200+. It is so much more fluid and the framerate is just insane.

SLI is worth it, you just have to pair it with the right stuff (good PSU, CPU ect).. just as you couldnt use a future single card as powerful as SLI and wring maximum benefit out of it.

And I'm not saying you need a 2.8ghz A64 to take advantage of SLI. I've noticed the majority of the gain coming from 2.4+ghz or so. You just have to feed it properly.

Like anything (including future fast single cards), you have to pair it with the right equipment.

Thats when I told you that both money and ability comes into it? Remember BFG? This is a part of it.
This isnt an Xbox, you dont buy the top of the line card (which are usually louder than usual) and complain.. you either put a silencer on it, or should have been smart enough to realize this beforehand!

You can complain in one hand, and poop in the other BFG. Won't do you any good.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

As usual, you're just making up something to complain about.

When you had a 5800U didn't you say its noise wasn't a factor either?

In that light how can anyone trust you to make accurate claims about noise on nVidia cards?

LOL What I said was the card isn't as loud as people make it out to be, that it sounds like a tiny hairdryer. Beyond that, if 6800GTs were as loud as 5800Us, I don't think they'd be the #1 selling high end card, do you? :roll:

This is a HUGE change of perspective for BFG.

Oh, pu-lease. Remember folks, this is the same Rollo who during his 5800 fetish days declared AA, AF, resolutions above 1024x768 and shaders to be irrelevant.[/quote]
Misquoted again for purposes of your agenda. Link please? What I said, a lot, is that DX9 SM2 was irrelevant when the 5800U was launched because the only game using it was the universally reviled TR:AOD. I also said, a lot, that the high res AA/AF benches you pointed to as "evidence" of the of the 9700Ps "superiority" were irrelevant because the average fps were below 30fps, rendering the game unplayable at that setting. I also said that I played UT2003 on either card at 10X7 personally to maximize framerates at worst case scenarios so I could win. So you turn three perfectly resonable statements into the BS above in a feeble attempt to discredit me. Pfft. :roll:

He also declared that the noise on his 5800 was a "non factor" and also declared equality between the 5800 and the 9700 Pro by displaying benchmarks running at VGA resolutions.

LOL- links please? Search posts by "Rollo" with 5800U in them, otherwise we'll have to assume your memory is faulty? My posts are out there and fall in line with what I stated above on these issues. LOL- arguing BFG-style- "You said some things (that weren't even said) in the past, based on the imaginary quote, people shouldn't trust you!"
Links, BFG, links. I say you're quoting out of context.

Then suddenly 6800 SLI came along and suddenly Rollo is proclaiming that it's not possible to game without SLI and without SM 3.0 both gamers and ATi will die a tortured death. He also trumpets loudly when anyone dares to point out that SLI doesn't always show a large benefit across the board.

I've been trumpeting! (lol) Like I said, your tune has changed: Used to be,"Buy the best you can for the highest settings." Now it's "Buy middle of the road, these settings are good enough!"

 

[Creig]

How about back when the 9700 Pro was kicking Nvidia up one side and down the other? You were constantly heckling its ability to render "shiny pipes". Now that Nvidia has some nice cards again, all of a sudden you're promoting "soft shadows" as a selling point.

Complete objectivity? I don't think so.

 

[CaiNaM]

actually iirc the shiny pipes (at least on this forum) were in the 9800p/geforce fx comparisons. the comparisons were regarding different shader versions, with fx having to run previous (lower) shader paths to ati in order to keep up performance - far cry was the culprit, and the shininess of the pipes were the source of debate. they had nothing to do with rollo's dustbuster, tho he did talk about it with some sentiment (he missed it dearly, and even bought bad one's trying to replace it!).

in fact, both cards displayed "shiny" pipes, however the debate was over just how much better the "shine" (they both displayed shiny pipes) was using the ps2 shader path, and whether it really made that much difference in the larger scheme of things.

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: Creig
How about back when the 9700 Pro was kicking Nvidia up one side and down the other? You were constantly heckling its ability to render "shiny pipes". Now that Nvidia has some nice cards again, all of a sudden you're promoting "soft shadows" as a selling point.

Complete objectivity? I don't think so.

Reliving the golden age for yourself Creig? R300 is dead, no one wants a X800. Not even you, you have a 9500. And from the looks of things, ATI is going to have a mighty hard time defeating not only the NV40, but G70 too. We'll see if a single ATI card can beat SLI even! Then they have to beat current SLI performance, and G70 performance.. there are so many things they need to execute perfectly to take the crown. They have to write new drivers finally too.. LOL that will be a fun exhibition to watch. NV wrote the NV40 drivers from scratch, turned out damn nicely!
AHHHH SINGLE SLOT, LOW POWER CONSUMPTION G70 CRIEG BABY! Isnt that what every ATI fanboy wants?

Dont you know? NV40 has been the king for some time now.
Soft shadows is a great addition, as is SLI.. not to mention most people wouldn't mind buying a new card that actually has the latest Direct3D compliant hardware onboard.

/shrug
I guess if you like obsolete hardware. But wait! You dont have a X800, do you?

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: housecat
But wait! You dont have a X800, do you?

I also haven't been kicked off these forums for a total of a month and a half either. What's your point?

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: Creig
How about back when the 9700 Pro was kicking Nvidia up one side and down the other? You were constantly heckling its ability to render "shiny pipes". Now that Nvidia has some nice cards again, all of a sudden you're promoting "soft shadows" as a selling point.

Complete objectivity? I don't think so.

Reliving the golden age for yourself Creig? R300 is dead, no one wants a X800. Not even you, you have a 9500. And from the looks of things, ATI is going to have a mighty hard time defeating not only the NV40, but G70 too. We'll see if a single ATI card can beat SLI even! Then they have to beat current SLI performance, and G70 performance.. there are so many things they need to execute perfectly to take the crown. They have to write new drivers finally too.. LOL that will be a fun exhibition to watch. NV wrote the NV40 drivers from scratch, turned out damn nicely!
AHHHH SINGLE SLOT, LOW POWER CONSUMPTION G70 CRIEG BABY! Isnt that what every ATI fanboy wants?

Dont you know? NV40 has been the king for some time now.
Soft shadows is a great addition, as is SLI.. not to mention most people wouldn't mind buying a new card that actually has the latest Direct3D compliant hardware onboard.

/shrug
I guess if you like obsolete hardware. But wait! You dont have a X800, do you?

Can someone say fanboy?

no one wants a X800

x800xt isnt good enough for you?

How about the x800XL?

OR how about the x800 vannila PCI-e which spanks the 6600gt around for $200?

ATI is going to have a mighty hard time defeating not only the NV40, but G70 too

The NV40 is already defeated.


As for the G70, unless you know for a fact which is faster, you dont know shit. The G70 may be faster, but who knows, the r520 could also be faster.

We'll see if a single ATI card can beat SLI even!

Your comparing one card to two because?

Obviously 2 cards will give a performance boost.

We already know, SLI will give you the best framerates if you want to spend a ton of cash.

A single card will give you good playable framerates for a whole lot less.

They have to write new drivers finally too

Their drivers are fine.

I have been running ATI and Nvidia drivers and nither give me problems.

 

[housecat]

It means you dont know what you are talking about.

You have none of the aforementioned hardware.
Thank you.

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: housecat
It means you dont know what you are talking about.

You have none of the aforementioned hardware.
Thank you.

I have owned both the newest generation of video cards from both companies

The only thing I havnt tried is SLI.

You should stop assuming things.

 

[housecat]

Quit pretending someone is talking to you.

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: housecat
Quit pretending someone is talking to you.

If you want to address a post to someone, quote them.

Thanks rollo2.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
The NV40 is already defeated.

huh?

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: BouZouki
The NV40 is already defeated.

huh?

x850xtpe?

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: BouZouki
The NV40 is already defeated.

huh?

x850xtpe?

performance-wise? depends on who's benchmark/review you're reading. the reality is for the most part they're pretty comparable, with the "older" ultra outpacing the 850xtpe in some apps, and the xt winning others -- without using a benchmark as a tool, the differences are hardly perceptible.. still, "value" arguments not-withstanding, the nvidia sli is the fastest video solution available to gamers, period.

as for marketshare, ati blew it this gen. the original xtpe was so scarce it was cancelled, and the 850xt was so late it cost ati much of the "high end" marketshare it had taken from nvidia with the r3xx products.

regarding the g70, at this point it's purely speculation, altho rumors seem to indicate it will be difficult to beat. further rumors regarding recent info on ati's amr technology would indicate it may be a cumbersome solution, and we still don't have much idea on it's performance. still, we won't really know until we actually see these products unveiled...

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: BouZouki
The NV40 is already defeated.

huh?

x850xtpe?

performance-wise? depends on who's benchmark/review you're reading. the reality is for the most part they're pretty comparable, with the "older" ultra outpacing the 850xtpe in some apps, and the xt winning others -- without using a benchmark as a tool, the differences are hardly perceptible.. still, "value" arguments not-withstanding, the nvidia sli is the fastest video solution available to gamers, period.

as for marketshare, ati blew it this gen. the original xtpe was so scarce it was cancelled, and the 850xt was so late it cost ati much of the "high end" marketshare it had taken from nvidia with the r3xx products.

regarding the g70, at this point it's purely speculation, altho rumors seem to indicate it will be difficult to beat. further rumors regarding recent info on ati's amr technology would indicate it may be a cumbersome solution, and we still don't have much idea on it's performance. still, we won't really know until we actually see these products unveiled...

I will agree with you, ATI would of done much better if the x800XTs were availble more.

As for the the comparision, I would say the x850xt is clearly faster im most cases.

SLi is the fastest solotion if you want to spend a ton of cash on bigger power supplys, motherboards, and the value of a second card.

In the end, you will be the fastest but you could of got the job done with one card.

The only place I see SLi actually being effective is resolutions like 1920x or thing similer.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig
How about back when the 9700 Pro was kicking Nvidia up one side and down the other? You were constantly heckling its ability to render "shiny pipes". Now that Nvidia has some nice cards again, all of a sudden you're promoting "soft shadows" as a selling point.

Complete objectivity? I don't think so.

Poor Creig. Apparently unable to read the benchmarks on this site. In any case, no one really care about cards as ancient as 9700Ps and 5800Us anymore, that kind of stuff was relevant a long,long time ago.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
actually iirc the shiny pipes (at least on this forum) were in the 9800p/geforce fx comparisons. the comparisons were regarding different shader versions, with fx having to run previous (lower) shader paths to ati in order to keep up performance - far cry was the culprit, and the shininess of the pipes were the source of debate. they had nothing to do with rollo's dustbuster, tho he did talk about it with some sentiment (he missed it dearly, and even bought bad one's trying to replace it!).

in fact, both cards displayed "shiny" pipes, however the debate was over just how much better the "shine" (they both displayed shiny pipes) was using the ps2 shader path, and whether it really made that much difference in the larger scheme of things.

LOL- Thanks Cainam- most amusing. Ah memories- "smack smack smack- shinier pipes!"

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
The only place I see SLi actually being effective is resolutions like 1920x or thing similer.

But bouzouki, you've seen my rockin' 16X12 benchamrks that shame any single card?

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: housecat
Quit pretending someone is talking to you.

If you want to address a post to someone, quote them.

Thanks rollo2.

Or you could realize that theres no reason i would want to speak to you anyway.
If you notice, you hijacked a crieg/housecat argument and posted on the same minute I did. That would require you to use your brain.

Thanks Crieg2 (but with slight learning deficiencies)

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BouZouki
The only place I see SLi actually being effective is resolutions like 1920x or thing similer.

But bouzouki, you've seen my rockin' 16X12 benchamrks that shame any single card?

1600x1200 4aa 8af
at_c17_12 SLI 58 Non-SLI 52 +11.5%
at_canals_08 SLI 87 Non-SLI 60 + 45%
at_coast_o5 SLI 91 Non-SLI 83 +9.6%
at_prison_05 SLI 89 Non-SLI 60 +48.3%

I consider 52,60,83, and 60 all playable framrated, anything above 50 is smooth.

Not to mention with 4aa/8af, if that was turned down, you would of got near 100 fps.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig
How about back when the 9700 Pro was kicking Nvidia up one side and down the other? You were constantly heckling its ability to render "shiny pipes". Now that Nvidia has some nice cards again, all of a sudden you're promoting "soft shadows" as a selling point.

Complete objectivity? I don't think so.

Poor Creig. Apparently unable to read the benchmarks on this site. In any case, no one really care about cards as ancient as 9700Ps and 5800Us anymore, that kind of stuff was relevant a long,long time ago.

I wasn't bringing up the performance of those cards, simply pointing out how you downplayed one feature and promoted the other based on your Nvidia prejudice.