little bit o news on ATI's AMR Multi rendering

[BFG10K]

BFG as much as youy hate your 6800U,

I don't hate the 6800U I just hate the noise (and driver problems when it has those). Aside from that it's a damned fast card.

I'd think you would have jumped all over buying my X800XT PE with Silencer installed from keysplayer2003?

Heh, buying a second-second-hand card that's been modified on the internet.

Brilliant. Why didn't I think of that? :roll:

well if ur blabbering so much about Ultra noises...just go get urself a new silent fan such as a Zalman...there problem solved

:roll:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I'd think you would have jumped all over buying my X800XT PE with Silencer installed from keysplayer2003?

Heh, buying a second-second-hand card that's been modified on the internet.

Brilliant. Why didn't I think of that? :roll:

Scoff all you like, but:
1. That card was run at stock speeds, never OCd, while I had it. I never had a problem with it.
2. AFAIK, Keys never OCd it or had a problem with it either.

Whatever you think of my late, great Asus X800XT PE, it was cooler, quieter, and arguably faster than your 6800U. Had the stock HSF with it, and I can tell you this: if I didn't have SLI it would still be in my box.

 

[housecat]

Well, if noise was a problem with a SLI rig with dual 6800GTs I'd pop a silencer on them.. its not hard, nor expensive.
But I'll say this, I'd be willing to bet dual 6800GTs is as loud as a single 6800Ultra in use. And that aint nothing to b*tch about.
People are anal, thats all there is too it.
Might bug you BFG, but I'd be willing that it doesnt bug you enough that you'd trade straight up for a passively cooled X800XT.

But remember, there are people here who won't buy SLI capable cards with the latest DirectX support when the price difference is dinner and a movie.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO -UP-GRADE, UPGRADE! Otherwise you might as well watercool a 9700 Pro.

You'll never find me trading my SLI for a cruddy little X850XT PE.
The noise? Music to your ears when you see how blistering fast it is.

 

[BFG10K]

Scoff all you like, but:

So because I didn't buy your second-hand card you're arguing...what exactly?

I'd pop a silencer on them.. its not hard, nor expensive.

That's completely beside the point.

I'd be willing to bet dual 6800GTs is as loud as a single 6800Ultra in use.

I'd probably guess they'd be louder but in any case I won't touch something like that whether it's nVidia or ATi doing it.

And that aint nothing to b*tch about.

Funny, multiple reviewers even commented single 6800GTs are quite loud compared to the likes of X800 XL and similar cards. Of course I wouldn't expect a pair of nVidia trolls to admit that. I'm certainly not going pretend a 6800U quiet just because I happen to own one.

Might bug you BFG, but I'd be willing that it doesnt bug you enough that you'd trade straight up for a passively cooled X800XT.

I'd do a trade like that in a heartbeat. Of course I'm not going to be doing any trades on the internet for cards that have been God knows where. At no point does common sense cease to be a factor.

But remember, there are people here who won't buy SLI capable cards with the latest DirectX support when the price difference is dinner and a movie.

Price isn't a factor, noise is. I'm not going to touch anything from nVidia or ATi if it sounds like a jet engine.

The noise? Music to your ears when you see how blistering fast it is.

That's nothing more than fanboy talk. You can argue that you don't care about the noise but to make claims that it's not there is simply deceptive.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Price isn't a factor, noise is. I'm not going to touch anything from nVidia or ATi if it sounds like a jet engine.

BFG, my computer is by no means unpleasant to listen to, and I have 7 fans in it. A gentle hum that I don't even notice. If you've been to an airport, you would know jet engines are considerably louder than any PC.

As usual, you're just making up something to complain about.

 

[Creig]

FYI Rollo and housecat, fan noise is a factor to some people when deciding which video card to purchase. If it wasn't, the 5800U "DustBuster" might not've been such a flop.

 

[jrphoenix]

And that aint nothing to b*tch about.

Funny, multiple reviewers even commented single 6800GTs are quite loud compared to the likes of X800 XL and similar cards. Of course I wouldn't expect a pair of nVidia trolls to admit that. I'm certainly not going pretend a 6800U quiet just because I happen to own one.

Might bug you BFG, but I'd be willing that it doesnt bug you enough that you'd trade straight up for a passively cooled X800XT.

I'd do a trade like that in a heartbeat. Of course I'm not going to be doing any trades on the internet for cards that have been God knows where. At no point does common sense cease to be a factor.

I bought a 6800 Ultra (AGP) and have been happy with it but, don't like the noise. I wanted an x800 xt pe or x850 but.... I had to build my new system in July last year..... I was lucky I got an Ultra through EVGA's step up after buying a GT originally.

I have been afraid to trade / buy anything used on the internet since I bought a monitor off ebay once that was defective I would really like to trade my Ultra for a x850 xt but, I'm not sure I would trust anyone out there.

 

[rise]

take it up with your therapist

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Scoff all you like, but:

So because I didn't buy your second-hand card you're arguing...what exactly?

I'd pop a silencer on them.. its not hard, nor expensive.

That's completely beside the point.

Not really. If you want something fast, and quiet you might have to use some ability and cash. Mostly cash.
Complaining about your 6800 Ultra and wanting 6800 Ultra speed.. you can only have the best of both worlds if you go X850XT PE, according to you.
Enjoy putting your money where your mouth is.

I'd be willing to bet dual 6800GTs is as loud as a single 6800Ultra in use.

I'd probably guess they'd be louder but in any case I won't touch something like that whether it's nVidia or ATi doing it.

If thats your idea of a good time.. then more power to you.

And that aint nothing to b*tch about.

Funny, multiple reviewers even commented single 6800GTs are quite loud compared to the likes of X800 XL and similar cards. Of course I wouldn't expect a pair of nVidia trolls to admit that. I'm certainly not going pretend a 6800U quiet just because I happen to own one.

Single 6800GTs are not loud. What the hell is wrong with you. Ask anyone here.
Thats just plain ignorance.

Might bug you BFG, but I'd be willing that it doesnt bug you enough that you'd trade straight up for a passively cooled X800XT.

I'd do a trade like that in a heartbeat. Of course I'm not going to be doing any trades on the internet for cards that have been God knows where. At no point does common sense cease to be a factor.

Hope you enjoy not being able to use ebay then. Sounds you are a little too anal.

But remember, there are people here who won't buy SLI capable cards with the latest DirectX support when the price difference is dinner and a movie.

Price isn't a factor, noise is. I'm not going to touch anything from nVidia or ATi if it sounds like a jet engine.

Ignorance.

The noise? Music to your ears when you see how blistering fast it is.

That's nothing more than fanboy talk. You can argue that you don't care about the noise but to make claims that it's not there is simply deceptive.

Naht really. You are invited anytime to come see my SLI rig in action. Then you can talk.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Scoff all you like, but:

So because I didn't buy your second-hand card you're arguing...what exactly?

I'd pop a silencer on them.. its not hard, nor expensive.

That's completely beside the point.

I'd be willing to bet dual 6800GTs is as loud as a single 6800Ultra in use.

I'd probably guess they'd be louder but in any case I won't touch something like that whether it's nVidia or ATi doing it.

And that aint nothing to b*tch about.

Funny, multiple reviewers even commented single 6800GTs are quite loud compared to the likes of X800 XL and similar cards. Of course I wouldn't expect a pair of nVidia trolls to admit that. I'm certainly not going pretend a 6800U quiet just because I happen to own one.

Might bug you BFG, but I'd be willing that it doesnt bug you enough that you'd trade straight up for a passively cooled X800XT.

I'd do a trade like that in a heartbeat. Of course I'm not going to be doing any trades on the internet for cards that have been God knows where. At no point does common sense cease to be a factor.

But remember, there are people here who won't buy SLI capable cards with the latest DirectX support when the price difference is dinner and a movie.

Price isn't a factor, noise is. I'm not going to touch anything from nVidia or ATi if it sounds like a jet engine.

The noise? Music to your ears when you see how blistering fast it is.

That's nothing more than fanboy talk. You can argue that you don't care about the noise but to make claims that it's not there is simply deceptive.

Kewl BFG. Do me a favor and answer these for me won't you?

Black......


Square........


Up..........


Dry.........


Fast.........


Heavy......



Just fill in the first things that come into your mind thats the exact opposite of each word. You know, the same thing you do when you pick apart posts. Should be a breeze for you.

EDIT: P.S. I hope you have a sense of humor...

 

[nRollo]

This is a HUGE change of perspective for BFG.

Back in the day, he used to argue with me all day long how my Ti4400 wasn't good enough because his Ti4600 could manage a little higher settings.

Then he declared war on me for suggesting I could have a similar gaming experience at 2X8X on my 5800U as he could 4X8X on his 9700Pro.

Now when myself and others have the cards that can run at the higher settings, for BFG, it's all about the fan noise!

LOL yeah wouldn't want to be hearing that hum as you crank the res and details! :roll:

 

[Killrose]

On the 6800Ultra noise issue. I use Expertool for fan speed control on mine. I have it set %50 2D and for %60 3D apps. It seems to run perfectly cool at the %60 setting and I sometimes hear it spool up to %100 at the start of a 3D app, but quickly drop down to the %60 setting once I am actually in game menu.

 

[fstime]

As long as it gives a bigger boost than SLI im happy.

I need near 50% boost after adding a second card to be happy.

I dont think SLI comes near that.

If they could pull that off, AMR will become worth it.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: yelo333
I really don't think size matters too much...Most of the time, the space behind the vid card is just an empty 5.25" or 3.5" drive bay, which can usually be cut easily.

Only thing that bugs me is the master/slave approach. This means that 5yrs down the road when I have two such cards (say a rebate sale, junk pile, etc.), I have to get 1 master and 1 slave. 2 slaves or 2 masters, and I'm outta luck. If it was the nvidia-style SLI, I would have had a higher chance of getting it working, though there is still the whole brand thing which hampers their setup.

don't convince yourself otherwise.. size matters

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

while it is also set to be longer than its own AGP Radeon X800 XL,

I don't understand the context of this comment given the length of a X800 XL is quite short.

the pcie version is short; the agp version is longer than 6800's pcb....

pics

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
As long as it gives a bigger boost than SLI im happy.

I need near 50% boost after adding a second card to be happy.

I dont think SLI comes near that.

If they could pull that off, AMR will become worth it.

More bad info from Bouzouki- a generaliztion that's not very close to the truth. Another ATer has helped you though, misinformed one.

Help for Bouzouki that he may understand SLI better

I'm just comparing the 6800GT SLI VS the 6800GT

Doom 3

1280x1024 2aa 8AF SLI 95 Non-SLI 72 +31.9%
1280x1024 4aa 8AF SLI 83 Non-SLI 68 +22.1%
1600x1200 2aa 8af SLI 84 Non-SLI 52 +61.5%
1600x1200 4aa 8af SLI 67 Non-SLI 38 +76.3%

Half Life 2

1600x1200 4aa 8af
at_c17_12 SLI 58 Non-SLI 52 +11.5%
at_canals_08 SLI 87 Non-SLI 60 + 45%
at_coast_o5 SLI 91 Non-SLI 83 +9.6%
at_prison_05 SLI 89 Non-SLI 60 +48.3%

Far Cry

1600 X 1200 was in order
+54.8%
+56.5%
+50.0%
+69.0

Do you need me to run any other benches so you can understand this SLI stuff better Bouzouki? As you can plainly see, only in the CPU limited levels of HL2 did I not see ~50% or higher performance increase at 16X12 4X8X. Good stuff Bouzouki- Unreal3 is supposed to scale to almost double performance on SLI!

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BouZouki
As long as it gives a bigger boost than SLI im happy.

I need near 50% boost after adding a second card to be happy.

I dont think SLI comes near that.

If they could pull that off, AMR will become worth it.

More bad info from Bouzouki- a generaliztion that's not very close to the truth. Another ATer has helped you though, misinformed one.

Help for Bouzouki that he may understand SLI better

I'm just comparing the 6800GT SLI VS the 6800GT

Doom 3

1280x1024 2aa 8AF SLI 95 Non-SLI 72 +31.9%
1280x1024 4aa 8AF SLI 83 Non-SLI 68 +22.1%
1600x1200 2aa 8af SLI 84 Non-SLI 52 +61.5%
1600x1200 4aa 8af SLI 67 Non-SLI 38 +76.3%

Half Life 2

1600x1200 4aa 8af
at_c17_12 SLI 58 Non-SLI 52 +11.5%
at_canals_08 SLI 87 Non-SLI 60 + 45%
at_coast_o5 SLI 91 Non-SLI 83 +9.6%
at_prison_05 SLI 89 Non-SLI 60 +48.3%

Far Cry

1600 X 1200 was in order
+54.8%
+56.5%
+50.0%
+69.0

Do you need me to run any other benches so you can understand this SLI stuff better Bouzouki? As you can plainly see, only in the CPU limited levels of HL2 did I not see ~50% or higher performance increase at 16X12 4X8X. Good stuff Bouzouki- Unreal3 is supposed to scale to almost double performance on SLI!

Thanks, now give me my 5 seconds back.

I didnt ask for your benchmarks.

You prooved me right though, SLI doesnt give a 50% boost at all times and when it does, it has to be at a high resolution with heavy aa/af.

Most people with 17 and 19 inch LCDs dont need to worry about that.

When you run 1280 etc, its only a ~20% boost.



Just as you prooved in your bench marks, for low resolution monitors, SLI is worthless unless you want to be the fastest.

Other than being the fastest, the only situation SLI comes in handy is 1600 and up with aa.

As I stated before I was flooded with your benchmarks, I hope AMR is more efficiant.

Of course thats bad news for you.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BouZouki
As long as it gives a bigger boost than SLI im happy.

I need near 50% boost after adding a second card to be happy.

I dont think SLI comes near that.

If they could pull that off, AMR will become worth it.

More bad info from Bouzouki- a generaliztion that's not very close to the truth. Another ATer has helped you though, misinformed one.

Help for Bouzouki that he may understand SLI better

I'm just comparing the 6800GT SLI VS the 6800GT

Doom 3

1280x1024 2aa 8AF SLI 95 Non-SLI 72 +31.9%
1280x1024 4aa 8AF SLI 83 Non-SLI 68 +22.1%
1600x1200 2aa 8af SLI 84 Non-SLI 52 +61.5%
1600x1200 4aa 8af SLI 67 Non-SLI 38 +76.3%

Half Life 2

1600x1200 4aa 8af
at_c17_12 SLI 58 Non-SLI 52 +11.5%
at_canals_08 SLI 87 Non-SLI 60 + 45%
at_coast_o5 SLI 91 Non-SLI 83 +9.6%
at_prison_05 SLI 89 Non-SLI 60 +48.3%

Far Cry

1600 X 1200 was in order
+54.8%
+56.5%
+50.0%
+69.0

Do you need me to run any other benches so you can understand this SLI stuff better Bouzouki? As you can plainly see, only in the CPU limited levels of HL2 did I not see ~50% or higher performance increase at 16X12 4X8X. Good stuff Bouzouki- Unreal3 is supposed to scale to almost double performance on SLI!

Thanks, now give me my 5 seconds back.

I didnt ask for your benchmarks.

You prooved me right though, SLI doesnt give a 50% boost at all times and when it does, it has to be at a high resolution with heavy aa/af.

Most people with 17 and 19 inch LCDs dont need to worry about that.

When you run 1280 etc, its only a ~20% boost.



Just as you prooved in your bench marks, for low resolution monitors, SLI is worthless unless you want to be the fastest.

Other than being the fastest, the only situation SLI comes in handy is 1600 and up with aa.

As I stated before I was flooded with your benchmarks, I hope AMR is more efficiant.

Of course thats bad news for you.

Surely you understand that this is the lack of CPU horsepower is keeping the lower resolutions unproductive? I know you know this, yet you blame SLI? Hmmm. Take off the blinders.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Other than being the fastest, the only situation SLI comes in handy is 1600 and up with aa.

As I stated before I was flooded with your benchmarks, I hope AMR is more efficiant.

Of course thats bad news for you.

Of course 16x10/12 4x8x is visually superior to anything 12X10, so it's not very "bad news" for me.

I'd think the "bad news" would be for you, playing at 12X10?

 

[housecat]

BouZouki= tool.

Seeing it really kick in at high resolution and high AA/AF levels is exactly what is wanted.. if you want to play at 800x600 on Bouzouki's 17" monitor then you probably dont need SLI.. Its sad that Rollo had to inform him of this fact.

Not to mention future games will be ever more demanding, and you won't have to push 1600x1200 to see drastic performance increases from SLI.

Even those 17inch monitors like Bouzouki uses will benefit then.

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
You prooved me right though, SLI doesnt give a 50% boost at all times and when it does, it has to be at a high resolution with heavy aa/af.

Most people with 17 and 19 inch LCDs dont need to worry about that.

So you're saying that the fastest and most expensive solution on the market is only suitable for people that want and can make use of all that power. Well slap me sillly!! - you should get a prize for that amazing realization!!

See here - http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bfg_geforce_6800_ultra_oc_512mb/page7.asp

When not CPU limited there are significant gains to be had even in games designed before SLI came on the scene. Considering Sweeney seems to be Nvidia's pally wally you can be damn sure that UE3 based games will be quite SLI/AMR friendly.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
You prooved me right though, SLI doesnt give a 50% boost at all times and when it does, it has to be at a high resolution with heavy aa/af.

Most people with 17 and 19 inch LCDs dont need to worry about that.

Yes, and those people don't need to worry about SLI... Why would you spend $800+ on your video card(s) and only $150-200 on your display? You wouldn't... SLI is for those who have the money and are willing to spend it on PC hardware. Anyone using a 17" monitor probably doesn't fall into that category.

 

[BFG10K]

As usual, you're just making up something to complain about.

When you had a 5800U didn't you say its noise wasn't a factor either?

In that light how can anyone trust you to make accurate claims about noise on nVidia cards?

Not really. If you want something fast, and quiet you might have to use some ability and cash.

Nonsense.

Single 6800GTs are not loud

Compared to something like a X800 XL they are.

Ask anyone here

By "anyone" you mean either yourself and Rollo?

This is a HUGE change of perspective for BFG.

Oh, pu-lease. Remember folks, this is the same Rollo who during his 5800 fetish days declared AA, AF, resolutions above 1024x768 and shaders to be irrelevant. He also declared that the noise on his 5800 was a "non factor" and also declared equality between the 5800 and the 9700 Pro by displaying benchmarks running at VGA resolutions.

Then suddenly 6800 SLI came along and suddenly Rollo is proclaiming that it's not possible to game without SLI and without SM 3.0 both gamers and ATi will die a tortured death. He also trumpets loudly when anyone dares to point out that SLI doesn't always show a large benefit across the board.

the pcie version is short; the agp version is longer than 6800's pcb....

Yep, I've since seen pictures of the AGP version and it is indeed quite big.

 

[ronnn]

Sli and amr are both for the future shop salesman and those who are willing to pay big bucks for the fastest possible. The great majority of us will refuse pay that type of money for a vid card. Many articles including Anantechs last buyers guide makes mention of the noise associated with dual 6800's. But if you prefer to believe anecdotal evidence of the converted......... and I do not expect ATI's dual gpu offering to be quiet either. Of course if you are willing to spend big sums, voiding the warranty by slowing fan speeds or adding a silencer, is probably not big deal. :beer:

 

[SickBeast]

1. How much will the master card cost in relation to an "ATi-uber-R520-SLI" card?

2. Will the master card be bundled with ATi motherboards?

3. Did the PC industry not abolish the terms "master" and "slave"?

4. Will I need to hook up a portable generator along with two 600 watt PSUs to my computer to run a setup like this?