little bit o news on ATI's AMR Multi rendering

[otispunkmeyer]

here

"We have just learned some interesting information regarding ATI?s upcoming multi-VPU dual graphics architecture that we believe will be showcased at Computex in two weeks time.

It appears that the card required to make everything work, known as the Master Card, is set to be longer than a GeForce 6800 Ultra, while it is also set to be longer than its own AGP Radeon X800 XL, which features ATI?s RIALTO PCI-Express to AGP bridge chip. It?s possible that it could breach in to Voodoo 5 5500 territory as the world?s largest consumer video card. If this is the case, the card will be longer than a standard ATX motherboard.

There are still question marks over the availability of the all-important Master card form ATI?s board partners, as it requires the partners to ship multiple versions of the same product. As far as we know, the Master card cannot run in tandem with another master card, which means that board partners will be forced to carry both Master and Slave versions of each chipset.

We talked about the requirement for an external cable to connect the two video cards together last week, and we also had some more thoughts about how the architecture is going to work here.

The MVP architecture appears to be quite a complex piece of technology, and we?re sure we will learn more about the technology surrounding it over the next couple of weeks."

 

[Emultra]

AMR was a heavy sniper rifle prototype by Steyr.
Ripoff's.

Anyway, I wonder exactly what the performance gains will be. For this type of hassle it seems to bring with it, it better be good.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

so much for it working with out connectors or cards or what ever

SLI still sounds the more attractive option....flip a small card round, whack on a connector and away you go.

having to get a big bastage of a card jus to make it work is a bit crap

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
here

As far as we know, the Master card cannot run in tandem with another master card, which means that board partners will be forced to carry both Master and Slave versions of each chipset.

Free the slaves!

Heh.

I can't comment on this tech, not enough is known about it. Would be nice to see some benches, hear about compatibility, performance gain tiled vs AFR, see what they're gaining with this gen + next, etc..

 

[imported_DaveA]

lol i dont think the master card is going to fit in many atx cases. here is a pic of the voodoo 5 5500

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/v55500preview/images/b.jpg

 

[Emultra]

That's pretty big. Time to get the sledgehammer and bash out a New Opening?

 

[Cheesetogo]

Hopefully it won't be as big as that bitchin' fast card with like 5 different chips on it!

 

[yelo333]

I really don't think size matters too much...Most of the time, the space behind the vid card is just an empty 5.25" or 3.5" drive bay, which can usually be cut easily.

Only thing that bugs me is the master/slave approach. This means that 5yrs down the road when I have two such cards (say a rebate sale, junk pile, etc.), I have to get 1 master and 1 slave. 2 slaves or 2 masters, and I'm outta luck. If it was the nvidia-style SLI, I would have had a higher chance of getting it working, though there is still the whole brand thing which hampers their setup.

 

[yelo333]

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
Hopefully it won't be as big as that bitchin' fast card with like 5 different chips on it!

Ohhhh... I remember that one ...

Anybody with a link?

 

[NokiaDude]

If it's as big as a Voodoo 5500, it ain't going to fit in ALOT of case.

 

[apoppin]

this doesn't look at all practical . . . and i doubt ATi will get the drivers right the first time . . . . anyway . . .

:roll:

shades of Radeon MAXX
:shocked:

hope not . . . ati NEEDS a "winner"

More from the inq

We confirmed that ATI will use a master-slave concept where all available cards on the market based on X800 and X850 chips could be your slave cards while you will have to go out and buy a new card called the master card. The master card will be little bit different from the existing card as it will have a place to connect this external connector necessary to make this marchitecture work. You do need to connect two cards externally out of your case.

The ATI partners are afraid that those master cards could be in short supply and very hard to find, at least for the time being. ATI is getting ready to reveal this marchitecture at Computex but will have NDA events in Belgrade, the capital of Serbia, Montenegro and London for the press. This will take place in exactly a week from now.

The other sources are suggesting that motherboard manufacturers are not too happy about ATI's way of doing dual GPUs but this is something that we can not confirm yet. We will have to wait for Computex to see the general feeling about this architecture.

The future of performance gaming is dual graphic cards in one board and ATI wants to start being part of that as soon as possible. Just two more weeks. µ

 

[fierydemise]

we'll see how it works, until we see this in action we can't make too many conclutions

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
here

As far as we know, the Master card cannot run in tandem with another master card, which means that board partners will be forced to carry both Master and Slave versions of each chipset.

Free the slaves!

Heh.

I can't comment on this tech, not enough is known about it. Would be nice to see some benches, hear about compatibility, performance gain tiled vs AFR, see what they're gaining with this gen + next, etc..

Yup, too early to say, but if ATi do take this route they are really not going down the right path.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
here

As far as we know, the Master card cannot run in tandem with another master card, which means that board partners will be forced to carry both Master and Slave versions of each chipset.

Free the slaves!

Heh.

I can't comment on this tech, not enough is known about it. Would be nice to see some benches, hear about compatibility, performance gain tiled vs AFR, see what they're gaining with this gen + next, etc..

Yup, too early to say, but if ATi do take this route they are really not going down the right path.

How do you know? If the master card isn't too big it could work just fine, your making guesses based on limited incomplete knowledge. Before you make any comments on its size you need to see it and that article doesn't have a picture.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
here

As far as we know, the Master card cannot run in tandem with another master card, which means that board partners will be forced to carry both Master and Slave versions of each chipset.

Free the slaves!

Heh.

I can't comment on this tech, not enough is known about it. Would be nice to see some benches, hear about compatibility, performance gain tiled vs AFR, see what they're gaining with this gen + next, etc..

Yup, too early to say, but if ATi do take this route they are really not going down the right path.

How do you know? If the master card isn't too big it could work just fine, your making guesses based on limited incomplete knowledge. Before you make any comments on its size you need to see it and that article doesn't have a picture.

size doesn't matter
[as long as it fits]

what we have here is retarded - IF it is true. IF we have a Master and a Slave, it COMPLICATES upgrading.
:roll:

 

[nRollo]

Hey! What happened to all the "ATIs AMR will be so much better" guys?

Too early to tell on this, and I've been known to like hardware in spite of it's quirks.

Voodoo5 fit in the tower I had at the time, but personally I don't think I'd take a saw to my case for a vid card setup if similar performance was available without it.

The giant card, the dongle, what's next? A V5 6K-esque power brick? The little info we have makes my SLI set even more beloved......

 

[Emultra]

Originally posted by: yelo333
I really don't think size matters too much...Most of the time, the space behind the vid card is just an empty 5.25" or 3.5" drive bay, which can usually be cut easily.

Only thing that bugs me is the master/slave approach. This means that 5yrs down the road when I have two such cards (say a rebate sale, junk pile, etc.), I have to get 1 master and 1 slave. 2 slaves or 2 masters, and I'm outta luck. If it was the nvidia-style SLI, I would have had a higher chance of getting it working, though there is still the whole brand thing which hampers their setup.

Is it established that using the same models from different manufacturers will cause a conflict in SLI mode?

 

[Killrose]

This Big Master card thing better wipe the floor with an SLI rig or no body's going to buy into it. I'm anxious to see where the Ageia PhysX tech takes us more than anything. I'm hoping it will slow down the CPU/GPU upgrade cycle (mine)

 

[BillyBobJoel71]

the biggest card setup i found is this: http://phantom.sannata.ru/konkurs/img/quantum3d/mercury.jpg

that would run alot of things fast

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Emultra

Is it established that using the same models from different manufacturers will cause a conflict in SLI mode?

no, iv'e seen people doing it

 

[ddogg]

looks like SLI by nvidia seems to get better and better everyday.
goes to show how well nvidia implemented this tech
unless ATI really outperforms nvidia on this no one is goin to buy that!(still rumors though!)

 

[BFG10K]

It appears that the card required to make everything work, known as the Master Card, is set to be longer than a GeForce 6800 Ultra,

Well that sucks. A monster like that will probably demand monstrous cooling which equals noise.

I don't like nVidia SLI and so far it doesn't look like I like ATi SLI either.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

It appears that the card required to make everything work, known as the Master Card, is set to be longer than a GeForce 6800 Ultra,

Well that sucks. A monster like that will probably demand monstrous cooling which equals noise.

I don't like nVidia SLI and so far it doesn't look like I like ATi SLI either.

You could always buy a couple Silencers or water cool BFG. Not to 6800GT fans are pretty quiet anyway- never owned an Ultra, so I can't comment.

 

[housecat]

6800GT SLI IS quiet IMO.

For those using the excuse that its "too loud, too hot, too noisey" will have to find another excuse to hate Nvidia if the Inq rumors about G70 are true.
I know its not true today, and I use it.. so...

2 Ultras might be different. I dont know.

 

[BFG10K]

while it is also set to be longer than its own AGP Radeon X800 XL,

I don't understand the context of this comment given the length of a X800 XL is quite short.

You could always buy a couple Silencers or water cool BFG.

I'm not in the habit of modding components like that. I want things to work well right out of the box.

Not to 6800GT fans are pretty quiet anyway- never owned an Ultra, so I can't comment.

During gaming a 6800U is not quiet by any means. Two of them together in one case would drive me crazy.

For those using the excuse that its "too loud, too hot, too noisey" will have to find another excuse to hate Nvidia if the Inq rumors about G70 are true.

Trust me, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong. I want a quiet card that runs fast. I mean my 9700 Pro was absolutely silent yet it offered killer performance.