Listening to and considering the 'other side'

[compuwiz1]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
This has been a good place to see how history repeats itself because of man's built in defects mainly greed.

Also see how Wars start.

We are getting very close to another one especially right here in the U.S.

Which side will you be on?

The side that starts the revolt or the side that get's it's ass kicked?




Hysterical

History and just plain math will conquer the fake God fearing, Country hating greedy bastards.

You really expect 1% to beat 99?

This is why History repeats itself.

You should seek mental health care immediately. You have truely slipped a cog or two! There is no 99% on your deluded side, never was, never will be. In the mind of a crack addict, like yourself, that might be a reality. I've heard about you guys hearing voices and seeing things, but man, this takes the trophy! Thank you for a good laugh before bed!!!!

 

[Victorian Gray]

Nov 2013, eh? After a while longer you'll see that he'll abuse and insult people in one post and then turn around and preach about how Godly and righteous he is in the next, that hypocrisy is what rubs many people on this forum the wrong way.

So? It's just words on a screen written by someone you'll probably never meet/know.

Guess I just don't understand the need for such venom. As I said, words on a screen. It's not reality.

 

[MagickMan]

So? It's just words on a screen written by someone you'll probably never meet/know.

Guess I just don't understand the need for such venom. As I said, words on a screen. It's not reality.

Then why bother with this?

"But it's the woman's fault because she makes me loose all self control."

It's a remarkably similar argument to that of an abuser.

Some abusers are okay and others aren't? Vitriol is okay as long as you're dishing it? Do you see the irony there?

 

[Moonbeam]

Make some of your own. Those people that you claim are brain damaged, where's theirs? Why none for those who you believe walk in darkness? I see clearly. “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone?" You seem to pretend that this forum is congregation, yet you treat half of them like shit. How is that righteous?

You hate yourself. You don't want to know it. If you do not want to know it you won't ever know that what you feel isn't true. I didn't give you the stone, it's what you have. What I gave you is bread and you call it shit. And I have said this over and over again.

 

[MagickMan]

Hysterical

History and just plain math will conquer the fake God fearing, Country hating greedy bastards.

You really expect 1% to beat 99?

This is why History repeats itself.

Wanna talk "hysterical"? I can see it now, all the progressive keyboard warriors will rise up! As soon as someone else does it first... a whole lot of someones. But by God, there's gonna be a reckoning! Someday!

 

[MagickMan]

You hate yourself. You don't want to know it. If you do not want to know it you won't ever know that what you feel isn't true. I didn't give you the stone, it's what you have. What I gave you is bread and you call it shit. And I have said this over and over again.

You don't know me, not even a little. I don't hate me, I don't even hate you, there's no one I "hate", because there's nothing to gain from it. What I hate are evil deeds that people do and concepts like hypocrisy, cruelty, and disloyalty.

The "stone" is what you give everyone here that you believe you're trying to help, because they hear you talk about righteousness and good things, then they see you treat others like shit. Lay down the hypocritical BS, if you're going to talk the talk, you better walk the walk. Otherwise, you're no better than some evangelical asshole who fucks his neighbor's wife on Saturday and is teaching Sunday school the next morning.

 

[Newell Steamer]

If one does not make a good faith effort then no understanding or compromise can be reached. We have what we have today.

I understand and agree.

If I had taken the position of "They just want to enslave women" or "They just want to murder babies" I have completely misrepresented both sides and cut off any hope at all for an improvement on the issue. In fact I've done the reverse. Also note that I have not approved of anything. I haven't taken my perspective to be used as a club to beat one side or the other. That does not mean I cannot have strong feelings myself, or must be ambivalent. But it's not about "winning" the argument, because that cannot be done by beating the ideological drum. One can shout all one likes, but if you cannot listen and have others listen then everyone is deaf.

This is where things get dicey,... when we don't peel back and look underneath the textbook responses, we've traditionally veered into the wrong direction.

What was the point of the Vietnam war? Why did we invade Iraq? Is pot really a gate way drug? How did we get to legalizing pot and possibly banning tobacco? Why were we told tobacco smoking is safe in the 50s and now it's a deadly carcinogen?

I am not looking to win anything.

Nonetheless, I will never accept anything at face value. And, I never seek to uncover just anything,.. just what affects me (why am I voting? what are my tax dollar going to? why am I being searched at the airport?).

Frankly, there is no point in "winning", since humanity is lost to begin with. Just when you think you've seen one truly evil person, another one pops up and does something 100 time horrific - and, I'm not just talking about murder, assault, invasions and what not; evil people that make decisions and push decisions that affect thousands, hundreds of thousands for their own personal gain (and my belief) that they seek out and enjoy watching people suffer.

Now, people DO get the benefit of the doubt from me, right off the bat. I don't meet a stranger (or see a person on TV) and start spouting off what I think of them just by looks. Or, even by their first few words,.. as well as actions.

What does result in me deciding what type of person they are, are their actions - or rather their actions followed by their words and words followed by their actions (this is the analysis part, from your creature example), over the course of some time; a month, a year,... a decade, whatever.

And, if their actions contradict their stated beliefs (the textbook response), then, I'll point that out.

Usually, I point that out to their followers (be it Obama's, Bush's, etc.). Followers who take the textbook responses and when said textbook responses are challenged or questioned, its:
- you're lazy
- you're greedy
- you're a racist
- you're a reverse racist
- you're a race baiter
- you're part of the war on women
- you're part of the war on men
- you have white guilt
- you feel entitled
- you are a traitor
- you are a puppet
- you are, etc. etc. etc.

Textbook responses are nothing more than a litmus test to see just how vile and putrid some folks are - a standard, which was set by themselves,... no one else!

Why? Because they are usually wolves in sheeps clothing. They pretend to be good and/or nice, when beneath this cover, they are just plain old evil.

So, just to circle back to your point, I agree, there is no benefit to immediatly jumping to whatever I have observed. And, I totally agree with presenting someone with the textbook/face value of whatever (politics, laws, people, coffee tables, dogs, etc.). But, it is our own personal right and responsibility to look deeper into the whatevers of life and ensure they do not harm us (you, your family, friends, etc.).

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So, just to circle back to your point, I agree, there is no benefit to immediatly jumping to whatever I have observed. And, I totally agree with presenting someone with the textbook/face value of whatever (politics, laws, people, coffee tables, dogs, etc.). But, it is our own personal right and responsibility to look deeper into the whatevers of life and ensure they do not harm us.

I agree with you as well. I'm sure you understand our conversation hasn't been something I've aimed at you so much as had with you. What we've covered seems to be too often lacking, and that is seeking an understanding of the postions of others in a contextual way then analyzing for meaning and merit.

It's also given me an opportunity to engage another without the usual angst and ire about something a bit larger and less petty and I appreciate that.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I agree with you as well. I'm sure you understand our conversation hasn't been something I've aimed at you so much as had with you.

Oh no, not at all! This was good, I am glad you asked your questions and stated your beliefs & ideas. Very methodical, clear and engaging. Thanks!

What we've covered seems to be too often lacking, and that is seeking an understanding of the postions of others in a contextual way then analyzing for meaning and merit.

It's also given me an opportunity to engage another without the usual angst and ire about something a bit larger and less petty and I appreciate that.

Not that I am any better by doing this; but my angst and ire is 1st spewed as passive/aggressive buffoonery comments, with a heavy serving of humor - something along the lines of the Daily Show (but, not on par with their quality of humor and writing,...).

Again, this is not great or even ideal. But, you sometimes have to laugh and mock at things you find outrageous.

 

[Moonbeam]

You don't know me, not even a little. I don't hate me, I don't even hate you, there's no one I "hate", because there's nothing to gain from it. What I hate are evil deeds that people do and concepts like hypocrisy, cruelty, and disloyalty.

The "stone" is what you give everyone here that you believe you're trying to help, because they hear you talk about righteousness and good things, then they see you treat others like shit. Lay down the hypocritical BS, if you're going to talk the talk, you better walk the walk. Otherwise, you're no better than some evangelical asshole who fucks his neighbor's wife on Saturday and is teaching Sunday school the next morning.

I know you, more than you can begin to imagine. And I hate you also more than you can imagine, but no where near as much as I hate myself. I tell myself there is nothing to be gained from hate, but it changes nothing because my feelings are beyond my conscious reach. I know they are there only because I learned how to reach them. I was helped by those who knew they were there even though I didn't believe it. I couldn't believe it even when that door in opened and all that pain came pouring out. But I know it now. I know now that all my hate of evil deeds was just a lie I told myself because I had been made to feel those evil deeds were mine when I was a little child. I was taught to hate the thing I am. I needed love as a child and demanded it and was killed because they couldn't give it. I made them feel their inner emptiness. They had to silence me, like you would like to do. I am everything you fear to be because I know what that fear is.

What you hate about me is not my evil acts but that I am you. But don't worry. Now I know you're as fantastic a guy as you think I think I am.

Let's try this another way. You are dangerous because you believe in evil. But there is only love and perfection. To believe in evil is to set yourself up against it in opposition, to create the struggle and the holy war against it. The holy warrior is a bigot, he believes in a good that opposes an evil that does not exist. He is an idealistic dreamer, a good man with a cause who has no idea really what good is. He is the product of conditioning and program. He has become divided against himself and is psychically split. He wars against the evil within. He has a devil and an angel on his shoulders, he loves the one and despises the other, these two halves of himself. He does not see the love of good and the hate of evil as all arising out of the same thing, the delusion that the unity of the universe is divided up into things. He lives in the past in thought and reminiscences, instead of the eternal now of conscious awareness, love and being. To believe that duality is real is to create it in the world, the endless war of one against the other.

 

[Matt1970]

This has been a good place to see how history repeats itself because of man's built in defects mainly greed.

Also see how Wars start.

We are getting very close to another one especially right here in the U.S.

Which side will you be on?

The side that starts the revolt or the side that get's it's ass kicked?

This isn't 1810 where you can just overthrow the rich and their corporations and go back to hunting elk for food. It would tank the economy so bad that the great depression would look like chump change. The corporations that brought you food, clothing and necessities of life will be gone. You going to be able to keep those running without an interruption in the supply chain? What about all the money and assets you seize? What do you think they are going to be worth after your revolution? You, bshole, Phokus and a few others think you will be living in a utopia but you are all to stupid to see what would really happen.

 

[Moonbeam]

This isn't 1810 where you can just overthrow the rich and their corporations and go back to hunting elk for food. It would tank the economy so bad that the great depression would look like chump change. The corporations that brought you food, clothing and necessities of life will be gone. You going to be able to keep those running without an interruption in the supply chain? What about all the money and assets you seize? What do you think they are going to be worth after your revolution? You, bshole, Phokus and a few others think you will be living in a utopia but you are all to stupid to see what would really happen.

Ah, but they will all be gone for the poor anyway. They will know that when everything is broken they will company with which to share their misery. Every lifeguard knows a drowning man will take you with him. Who is it that is actually stupid?

 

[Matt1970]

Ah, but they will all be gone for the poor anyway. They will know that when everything is broken they will company with which to share their misery. Every lifeguard knows a drowning man will take you with him. Who is it that is actually stupid?

Who is it that is actually stupid? Anyone who subscribes to the notion that it's better to drag everyone down rather than have inequality. What is hysterical is they don't even seem to understand that their assets will be some of the first ones to go. That or they some how think that their shit will be safe because they are on the "right" side of the revolt. Phokus already admitted to having a house worth over $700K, bshole is worth well over $1Mil.

 

[werepossum]

That's terrible. Life is sacred and paint is just paint. It's sad you don't seem to know that.

The issue IS that life is sacred which means that individuals have rights over their bodies greater than the right of a yet to be person. There are two absolutes that clash and only human decisions can resolve them. There is a right to life which is absolute and a right to control your own body which is also absolute. Nature puts these two emotional feelings into conflict. A woman who does not want a child can become pregnant. Texashiker believes that in such a case we are talking about a real human being with full legal rights and by doing so would turn the woman into a prisoner of the fetus. The notion that a person without personhood should take priority over a person with personhood is logically absurd but the bigot sees only the right of the child and not the right of the mother. We determined in a secular society that the notion of when life as a legal person begins is not a matter of religion, but the duty of a secular state that must prevent religious beliefs from governing the lives of folk who do not believe them. That is why a line was drawn as to when a fetus becomes a person legally and that the decision up to then to carry or not belongs only to the mother.

Texashiker, by his bigoted notion that there is only the absolute right of the fetus involved and the wishes of the woman be damned, is simply out of step with how we run the country. He cares more about his bigotry and his absolute silly belief, than he does what it would be like if we enslaved women to the will of bigots like him. It would be very much like passing a law that says women have the right to pick any man they want to help them carry to term, any organs they might need for transplant to the fetus, or blood or money to pay doctor bills. He's just a little Nazi disguised behind his goodie two shoes morality even though that morality, all other things being equal, applies and is perfectly rational. He thinks he loves women but in fact he would vote to turn their bodies into incubator slaves.

Other than the attacks on Texashiker this is spot-on. Sometimes in life we don't get one obviously good choice and one obviously bad choice. Abortion is one case where we have two bad choices, kill a baby or force a woman to be "a prisoner of the fetus". Yes, life is sacred; women are also alive. As a secular society we've made the decision that the woman's rights are elevated above those of the baby without denying that both have rights. The Catholic Church holds the opposite position, that the rights of the baby should be elevated above those of the mother. Both views are valid and deserve respect, but however badly crafted is Row V. Wade, allowing the woman to abort up until roughly viability is probably the best possible compromise.

 

[Moonbeam]

Other than the attacks on Texashiker this is spot-on. Sometimes in life we don't get one obviously good choice and one obviously bad choice. Abortion is one case where we have two bad choices, kill a baby or force a woman to be "a prisoner of the fetus". Yes, life is sacred; women are also alive. As a secular society we've made the decision that the woman's rights are elevated above those of the baby without denying that both have rights. The Catholic Church holds the opposite position, that the rights of the baby should be elevated above those of the mother. Both views are valid and deserve respect, but however badly crafted is Row V. Wade, allowing the woman to abort up until roughly viability is probably the best possible compromise.

Thank you but I disagree that both points of view are valid. Both views are invalid in my opinion because each is an absolute that conflicts with the absolute of the other and it is illogical to prefer one absolute that denies the other. In the absolute each view is monstrous and can have validity only in compromise with the other. It is only in compromise that any sense can be made that life is sacred and so is the body. But I think you recognize this because you see that compromise of some kind is necessary. But in the absence of conflict between absolutes some things are absolute. Perhaps the only absolute is that all absolutes are conditional.

 

[Moonbeam]

Who is it that is actually stupid? Anyone who subscribes to the notion that it's better to drag everyone down rather than have inequality. What is hysterical is they don't even seem to understand that their assets will be some of the first ones to go. That or they some how think that their shit will be safe because they are on the "right" side of the revolt. Phokus already admitted to having a house worth over $700K, bshole is worth well over $1Mil.

Ask a lifeguard if the drowning are stupid or if they conform to a known pattern. Stupid is to swim up to a drowning man, eh? Best of all, keep him from conditions that will drown him.

 

[LunarRay]

Thank you but I disagree that both points of view are valid. Both views are invalid in my opinion because each is an absolute that conflicts with the absolute of the other and it is illogical to prefer one absolute that denies the other. In the absolute each view is monstrous and can have validity only in compromise with the other. It is only in compromise that any sense can be made that life is sacred and so is the body. But I think you recognize this because you see that compromise of some kind is necessary. But in the absence of conflict between absolutes some things are absolute. Perhaps the only absolute is that all absolutes are conditional.

I present to you this for cogitation: Into your office appears an interesting case of conjoined twins. Assume they share a few major organs and that no outside contribution is possible should one or more shared organ fail. Now assume that for some reason an overwhelming strain has been created which will result in the death of both twins BUT if one is terminated the other will live. The shared organs exist in body A.... However, they could be moved to body B.

Which should be encouraged to give up its life to save the other? Or should they both die given the shared critical organs issue?

 

[MagickMan]

I know you, more than you can begin to imagine.

Not hardly.

And I hate you also more than you can imagine, but no where near as much as I hate myself.

I tell myself there is nothing to be gained from hate, but it changes nothing because my feelings are beyond my conscious reach. I know they are there only because I learned how to reach them.

That's your issue, but it's a complete waste of energy. Hating someone is like trying to get revenge on a person by feeding yourself poison, it's fruitless and the only one being harmed is you.

I was helped by those who knew they were there even though I didn't believe it. I couldn't believe it even when that door in opened and all that pain came pouring out. But I know it now. I know now that all my hate of evil deeds was just a lie I told myself because I had been made to feel those evil deeds were mine when I was a little child. I was taught to hate the thing I am. I needed love as a child and demanded it and was killed because they couldn't give it. I made them feel their inner emptiness. They had to silence me, like you would like to do. I am everything you fear to be because I know what that fear is.

We obviously think nothing alike, perhaps because I was raised to believe that there are no truly evil people, just evil actions. There's nothing about you I fear, but I do see how much you project it. As for silencing you, I have no interest in that either, that's pointless because online it's impossible. However, I can show people the hypocrisy of your actions and statements, maybe causing you to reevaluate your spirituality claims, which have been patently absurd given your abusive behavior and uncontrolled rage.

What you hate about me is not my evil acts but that I am you. But don't worry. Now I know you're as fantastic a guy as you think I think I am.

If you were me, you'd not make claims to righteousness while abusing people with opposing views. If I were you, I'd either stop making claims of spiritual superiority or discontinue trying to provoke and debase others.

Let's try this another way. You are dangerous because you believe in evil. But there is only love and perfection. To believe in evil is to set yourself up against it in opposition, to create the struggle and the holy war against it. The holy warrior is a bigot, he believes in a good that opposes an evil that does not exist. He is an idealistic dreamer, a good man with a cause who has no idea really what good is. He is the product of conditioning and program. He has become divided against himself and is psychically split. He wars against the evil within. He has a devil and an angel on his shoulders, he loves the one and despises the other, these two halves of himself. He does not see the love of good and the hate of evil as all arising out of the same thing, the delusion that the unity of the universe is divided up into things. He lives in the past in thought and reminiscences, instead of the eternal now of conscious awareness, love and being. To believe that duality is real is to create it in the world, the endless war of one against the other.

You don't like me because I don't buy in to what you're trying to sell. Because you've read a book by Andreas Moritz doesn't mean you're qualified to give spiritual advice (seriously, you ripped most of that paragraph off of Lifting the Veil of Duality). The issue with objective idealism is that you have 5.5B other people with a differing view, in other words, it looks pretty on paper but falls flat on its face in practice (much like communism). So essentially, there is no great singular Truth, there's no dualistic nature either, what exists are billions of shades of gray. This leads to what I said earlier, people aren't evil, no thing is evil. It exists only as a concept and is a manifestation of intent, an action viewed as harmful by social convention.

What that has to do with you being a schizo hose-beast is unclear, however. It's just more deflection.

 

[Greenman]

Not hardly.



That's your issue, but it's a complete waste of energy. Hating someone is like trying to get revenge on a person by feeding yourself poison, it's fruitless and the only one being harmed is you.



We obviously think nothing alike, perhaps because I was raised to believe that there are no truly evil people, just evil actions. There's nothing about you I fear, but I do see how much you project it. As for silencing you, I have no interest in that either, that's pointless because online it's impossible. However, I can show people the hypocrisy of your actions and statements, maybe causing you to reevaluate your spirituality claims, which have been patently absurd given your abusive behavior and uncontrolled rage.



If you were me, you'd not make claims to righteousness while abusing people with opposing views. If I were you, I'd either stop making claims of spiritual superiority or discontinue trying to provoke and debase others.



You don't like me because I don't buy in to what you're trying to sell. Because you've read a book by Andreas Moritz doesn't mean you're qualified to give spiritual advice (seriously, you ripped most of that paragraph off of Lifting the Veil of Duality). The issue with objective idealism is that you have 5.5B other people with a differing view, in other words, it looks pretty on paper but falls flat on its face in practice (much like communism). So essentially, there is no great singular Truth, there's no dualistic nature either, what exists are billions of shades of gray. This leads to what I said earlier, people aren't evil, no thing is evil. It exists only as a concept and is a manifestation of intent, an action viewed as harmful by social convention.

What that has to do with you being a schizo hose-beast is unclear, however. It's just more deflection.

I'd say you've pretty much pegged moonie. I'm going to start and pay more attention to what you have to say. I'm also following lunar ray a little closer, it's fascinating that moonies alt is more interesting than he is.

 

[HumblePie]

I'd say you've pretty much pegged moonie. I'm going to start and pay more attention to what you have to say. I'm also following lunar ray a little closer, it's fascinating that moonies alt is more interesting than he is.

I don't even bother reading anything he writes personally. Every time I try, this image pops into my head.

and this

I end up laughing so hard that I can't ever get beyond a sentence or two from him. So I mostly ignore anything he posts. It's the same drivel and tripe constantly.

 

[Moonbeam]

MagickMan: Not hardly.

M: You can't graft experience on a novice. Only the person with the experience is going to know who is who. You get to remain the ignorant one without knowing it's you who is. And there it is.

MM: That's your issue, but it's a complete waste of energy. Hating someone is like trying to get revenge on a person by feeding yourself poison, it's fruitless and the only one being harmed is you.

M: You don't know what you feel. You don't know you don't know what you feel. I know you don't know and that's the way it is. You can't know without paying and it will cost you your assumptions. But you have no idea what that means either.

MM: We obviously think nothing alike, perhaps because I was raised to believe that there are no truly evil people, just evil actions. There's nothing about you I fear, but I do see how much you project it. As for silencing you, I have no interest in that either, that's pointless because online it's impossible. However, I can show people the hypocrisy of your actions and statements, maybe causing you to reevaluate your spirituality claims, which have been patently absurd given your abusive behavior and uncontrolled rage.

M: We think identically. I know you like I know my own hand. The difference is that I know that everything I believed like you do is a pile of shit. It was terrible to lose it but man am I glad it's gone.

MM: If you were me, you'd not make claims to righteousness while abusing people with opposing views. If I were you, I'd either stop making claims of spiritual superiority or discontinue trying to provoke and debase others.

M: You are competitive being with an inferiority complex so you see me as a superior being and have a need to run me down. This is a delusion of your own creation. I'm not superior to you. I'm in a better state of awareness. I know that I am and you do not. There's more here than I can ever use so I try to give it to you. But the door is covered with ugly truths about who you are right now and you ain't going through that door without looken at um.

MM: You don't like me because I don't buy in to what you're trying to sell.

M: You goof, I can't even give it away.

MM: Because you've read a book by Andreas Moritz doesn't mean you're qualified to give spiritual advice (seriously, you ripped most of that paragraph off of Lifting the Veil of Duality).

M: Don't try to show off to me. I'm not impressed by this sort of thing. I never heard of this dude and I'm only too happy to admit it.

MM: The issue with objective idealism is that you have 5.5B other people with a differing view, in other words, it looks pretty on paper but falls flat on its face in practice (much like communism). So essentially, there is no great singular Truth, there's no dualistic nature either, what exists are billions of shades of gray. This leads to what I said earlier, people aren't evil, no thing is evil. It exists only as a concept and is a manifestation of intent, an action viewed as harmful by social convention.

M: Do tell. I guess you know this like you know I'm LunarRay?

MM: What that has to do with you being a schizo hose-beast is unclear, however. It's just more deflection.

M: Rolling your eyes is probably good exercise. Gives your brain a chance to recover from all the work of rationalizing.

 

[Vic]

This isn't 1810 where you can just overthrow the rich and their corporations and go back to hunting elk for food. It would tank the economy so bad that the great depression would look like chump change. The corporations that brought you food, clothing and necessities of life will be gone. You going to be able to keep those running without an interruption in the supply chain? What about all the money and assets you seize? What do you think they are going to be worth after your revolution? You, bshole, Phokus and a few others think you will be living in a utopia but you are all to stupid to see what would really happen.

Interesting.. In your other posts, you claim to believe in freedom and self determination, while in this post you exhibit a classic slave mentality.
I don't believe in Phokus or Moonbeams socialism, but what you wrote here is not capitalism. It is fascism.

 

[Moonbeam]

Greenman: I'd say you've pretty much pegged moonie.

M: Oh dear, the folk who get so wound up about how I can't possibly know how they hate themselves seem to feel they know all about me. Makes ma lips buzzzzzzzzz.

G: I'm going to start and pay more attention to what you have to say.

M: That's your conservative brain defect speaking, the need for group think confirmation bias. Trust yourself more than you do him. You got this next part right and all MM sees is the same writing style;

G: I'm also following lunar ray a little closer, it's fascinating that moonies alt is more interesting than he is.

M: Fascinating is just scratching the surface in my opinion.

 

[Moonbeam]

Interesting.. In your other posts, you claim to believe in freedom and self determination, while in this post you exhibit a classic slave mentality.
I don't believe in Phokus or Moonbeams socialism, but what you wrote here is not capitalism. It is fascism.

I am curious as to what socialism you refer to. Not looking for a fight. I don't want our economic system to collapse. I feel that the problem of income inequality will lead to social unrest that can spiral our of control. I don't want that to happen, not gloating waiting for the day. I hope that as a society we can find some rational way to deal with what I think is increasing social tension caused by the wealth gap. I am pretty sure I am one of the halves. I don't really like living in a world where so many people have so little. But I don't think I have the answers to that. And I don't think the answer is an ism.

 

[Moonbeam]

I present to you this for cogitation: Into your office appears an interesting case of conjoined twins. Assume they share a few major organs and that no outside contribution is possible should one or more shared organ fail. Now assume that for some reason an overwhelming strain has been created which will result in the death of both twins BUT if one is terminated the other will live. The shared organs exist in body A.... However, they could be moved to body B.

Which should be encouraged to give up its life to save the other? Or should they both die given the shared critical organs issue?

I don't know. Seems to me it would be their call not mine.