Listen to 911 call - Man sees burlary and decides to shoot robbers with shotgun - everything on tape..

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
"who is white, with murder in the deaths of the black suspects."

This was reported by the paper and not necessarily a quote from Quanell. Looks like multiple sources are going to be necessary for this case since the paper has had some mistakes. At first the shooter was in his 70s and now he's 61.

Why do freaking reports have to toss that tripe in there.

To get people fired up of course. An agitated viewership means more advertising dollars.

 

[seemingly random]

Not that it should matter but:

"Miguel Antonio DeJesus, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, both of Houston."

"police said they had documentation from Puerto Rico, Colombia and the Dominican Republic."

From two different stories in the Chronicle - don't have 100% confidence in accuracy.

 

[seemingly random]

As for another what if - well I guess it's not really a what if.

A letter to the paper - it's extreme but sounds like personal experience:

"
friendofGlenn wrote:
Speaking as a man who has been SHOT by a 14 year old punk trying to rob me,(I almost died and suffered permanent nerve damage)I hesitated when I had a chance to shoot this kid with my .45 army automatic because I underestimated him. Never Again!!! I did NOT want to shoot that kid nor do I want to shoot anyone now, but it`s not a case of "want to" for me anymore. This kid later went on to KILL 2 PEOPLE !!! Why? #1. I failed to kill him before he shot me. #2. The court saw fit to ONLY give him house arrest for shooting me because of his age. If I could do it all over, I`d have emptied my clip in him and reloaded and empty it again. As for these two dirtbags that Mr. Horn shot in Texas, I say good riddance!!!! Thats 2 more we won`t have to worry about robbing or killing anyone else !!!! People,,,, I urge you,,, As a man who knows, the law most often won`t help you. DEFEND YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!!!! And Give Mr. Horn a medal or something. Hell,, A standing ovation if nothing else!!
11/20/2007 4:27 PM CST
"

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: se7en

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Good for him.

Too bad we have become such a pussified society that defending your property or the property of someone else isn't an automatic thing.

Two dirtbags are off the street and won't be robbing anyone else.

Sadly he will probably do time over this.

What really needs to happen is someone give that man a god damned medal.

I tend to agree however if he had a shotgun he could have just taken a knee off while not killing them. If you witness a burglary the first thought should NOT be "oh i better be a b!tch and not do anything because Ill have to go to court". He had the right intention but its hard to justify straight out gunning someone down.

But it doesn;t mention if the robbers had guns or did I miss it? They could have flashed a weapon which would change in my mind and allow him to lay some waste.

Disabling them with the shotgun wouldn't have been any better. The criminals probably would have sued this guy to have their hospital bills paid if he just wounded him.... and might have sued for "emotional distress" or "pain and suffering" as well if they had a crafty lawyer.

If you shoot someone, you damn well better make sure that you kill them. Dead people can't sue.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I'm all for this. 100 years ago this would not have gotten a second look, he would have been a local hero.

It's all peechy until you get some drunk asshole with a gun running outside unloading clips which fly through the neighbor's windows instead of the criminals. I don't trust the average joe to be granted that kind of power.

Too bad I spent my time in uniform so my children could continue to excersize that power.

Don't like it, ihear there is a rather easy to cross border down south.

The whole "if you don't like it, then get out!" is the ultimate in intellectual self-pwnage. Apparently you don't know much about this country you suited up for.

I swear to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America

I know quite well what is was about.

Well if you knew the first thing about the Constitution, you would know that it is intended to be an amendable document. That means you don't tell people to go cross the border down south when they have a different opinion from you, or a different opinion than what's on the books. That particular attitude is called fascism.

I think you were confused as to what Xavier was saying anyway. He wasn't saying that he doesn't trust individuals to have weapons, he was saying that he doesn't trust individuals to act as law enforcement.

I completely understand being glad that two robbers got whacked. I've made my sentiments clear in previous posts - I'm ambivalent, and mostly not too bothered. What mystifies me is how people can let their emotions get in the way of what is a pretty obvious fact:

Allowing vigilantes to roam the streets makes you LESS SAFE, not more safe. This is true no matter how much firepower you're packing in your home, or how "polite" society is.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I'm all for this. 100 years ago this would not have gotten a second look, he would have been a local hero.

and 100 years ago Black people were lynched, times change people are mostly civilized now. death for stealing is overboard and this dude deserves to rot in hell, which he will.

Two very different situations.

People that were black were not doing anything wrong most of the time. Someone stealing is.

The big problem with theft is should those guys have been armed, it's in their best interest to kill any witnesses. The penalty wouldn't chance much.

Now I am all for the shooter getting a big sentence should he have gone off and shot someone innocent or that was given permission to take somethings from a home.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
On topic, it really saddens me that so many people feel that death is the appropriate punishment for theft.

You ever have a gun pressed to the back of your head and been told to empty your pockets while you're on the floor?

You ever have to worry about armed robbers coming after you because they have your drivers license and your cell phone?

That's merely an extension of what can result of a theft occurring. And yes, the above has happened to me.

I fully support the use of lethal force in defending one's own property. A violation of personal property rights is a grave offense.

The key word here is defending. Like I said before, this guy went hunting.

This is the thing that sucks. You get robbed they usually know a ton about you...you get them caught and press charges, does anyone think they aren't going to tell their friends.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
He was right to defend his neighbor's property, but there was no need to shoot them without giving a warning first. A blast into the air and shouting "drop the bag or you'll be shot" would be fine. On the other hand, if they were brandishing weapons, he was fine. An officer could have been hurt in a shooting afterwards.

No warning shots. Shooting into the air to warn someone is dangerous in that your rounds will come back down to Earth and if it hits someone then you are in deep shit for wreckless endangerment.

Warning shots into the ground. They could still richocet...sometimes a verbal doesn't do the job. Most would say at that point though your best bet is to shoot to decapacitate.

 

[Muadib]

I don't care if this did happen in Texas. The 911 tape puts this clown away for sure.

 

[Linux23]

Weird thing is this guy called 911 and within the first few words, he mentions he has a shot gun and wants to know if the 911 operator wants him to stop them.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Number1
Lots of people think it's OK to shoot somebody for stealing property. I wonder how many of those ever stole software or music on the internet.

Let me tell you, if I am ever at your house (in Texas) and I catch you downloading illegaly, I am shooting you just because I can.

Bad example. If it's not your house, you can't defend it using Texas's laws. You can't kill someone else in their own house because they're copying a file.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Linux23
Weird thing is this guy called 911 and within the first few words, he mentions he has a shot gun and wants to know if the 911 operator wants him to stop them.

Not really too wierd if the guy wasn't sure what he was supposed to do.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Number1
Lots of people think it's OK to shoot somebody for stealing property. I wonder how many of those ever stole software or music on the internet.

Let me tell you, if I am ever at your house (in Texas) and I catch you downloading illegaly, I am shooting you just because I can.

Bad example. If it's not your house, you can't defend it using Texas's laws. You can't kill someone else in their own house because they're copying a file.

Screw Texas laws in these matters.

Someone doing a B&E <> stealing Bambi from a torrent.

Like I said if these guys were armed and you walked in on them, they'd be better off killing you than letting you live. This is why I think the guy was in the right to laid them out.

Number1 would be lucky to be able to get a shot off on a blind 90 year old lady in a wheelchair.

 

[Vinfinite]

the old man said "boo you're dead"...what is this? sh!t talking on xbox live?

glad theres 2 less robbers in the world, however, man murdered them in cold blood. He deserves time behind bar, especially after the dispatch told his ass to NOT take actions into his own hands.

 

[ShockwaveVT]

1. guy calls 911, operator tells him to stay inside away from the dangerous criminals, man retorts he'd kill them if threatened
2. guy goes outside to confront the thieves & protect his neighbor's property
3. thieves are like "wtf old man you want a piece of this?" and move toward him
4. man fears for his safety and the safety of his own property, and shoots the thieves
5. people all over the internet misinterpret his actions

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

i'd want this man to be my neighbor :thumbsup:

 

[spacejamz]

i would love see what reaction someone defending these douchebag wanna be criminals would have if one of their loved ones was murdered by a robber who could have been 'dealt' with earlier in life....

there are too many stories of people who have robbed/killed before only to be let out and rob/kill again....

the Dallas Morning News ran several stories on the front page a few weeks ago about robbers/murders who were given probatation (WTF???) and then killed another innocent human being shortly after being put back out on the street...

if these asshats don't possess the moral judgement to know the right/wrongs about robbery, do you really think they give a rat's ass about committing murder...it is all just game to them and they don't give a fvck about you, your family or your friends...all they want is shit they think they are entitled without having to earn it...

they are going to continue robbing/killing people until they are locked up or dead...

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
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If you shoot someone, you damn well better make sure that you kill them. Dead people can't sue.

But unfortunately their families usually can.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: spacejamz
i would love see what reaction someone defending these douchebag wanna be criminals would have if one of their loved ones was murdered by a robber who could have been 'dealt' with earlier in life....

there are too many stories of people who have robbed/killed before only to be let out and rob/kill again....

the Dallas Morning News ran several stories on the front page a few weeks ago about robbers/murders who were given probatation (WTF???) and then killed another innocent human being shortly after being put back out on the street...

if these asshats don't possess the moral judgement to know the right/wrongs about robbery, do you really think they give a rat's ass about committing murder...it is all just game to them and they don't give a fvck about you, your family or your friends...all they want is shit they think they are entitled without having to earn it...

they are going to continue robbing/killing people until they are locked up or dead...

So what crimes do you think should NOT carry the death penalty?

 

[Agentbolt]

1. guy calls 911, operator tells him to stay inside away from the dangerous criminals, man retorts he'd kill them if threatened
2. guy goes outside to confront the thieves & protect his neighbor's property
3. thieves are like "wtf old man you want a piece of this?" and move toward him
4. man fears for his safety and the safety of his own property, and shoots the thieves
5. people all over the internet misinterpret his actions

You are, without a doubt, one of the most exceptionally retarded people I've ever seen post on here. And trust me, that's saying a LOT. You realize absolutely none of those things really happened that way for sure except in your hot, sweaty, feeble little brain, right?

if these asshats don't possess the moral judgement to know the right/wrongs about robbery, do you really think they give a rat's ass about committing murder...it is all just game to them and they don't give a fvck about you, your family or your friends...all they want is shit they think they are entitled without having to earn it...

You're a close second to Shockwave in the Idiot of the Day contest. You're saying that anyone who would rob a house is automatically the same thing as a murderer? Christ.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Vinfinite
the old man said "boo you're dead"...what is this? sh!t talking on xbox live?

glad theres 2 less robbers in the world, however, man murdered them in cold blood. He deserves time behind bar, especially after the dispatch told his ass to NOT take actions into his own hands.

when someone is committing a crime, it's not cold blood.

You go though cowboy!

 

[Analog]

updated.

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: txrandom
Three lowlifes out of society sounds good to me!

 

[AZGamer]

Frankly, I don't see how anyone can not feel better knowing these robbers are definitely not going to engage in any future criminal activity.

I wish this guy was my neighbor. There's only one way I let people into my house - through the front door - and they either have a key or are let in by me. So there's no room I can think of for confusion.

 

[alkemyst]

I think alot of that has to do with people fearing they are mistaken for a robber and shot so they want to lock down that possibility.

In even the best free societies the rules enable some to do bad things, however; there is a greater good behind it.