Listen to 911 call - Man sees burlary and decides to shoot robbers with shotgun - everything on tape..

[shiner]

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
2 robbers off the street, and one MURDERING PIECE OF SHIT on it. What kind of sick asshole defends this guy?

Shiner...always.

I have no use for criminals.

Like some others, I have also experienced being robbed. Though we stopped them and the only reason they lived through it is BECAUSE THEY HAD THEIR KIDS WITH THEM and my Dad and I didn't feel like killing them in front of their kids.

Here is the Cliff's Notes version:

Dad and I are going out to some land we own to repair fence.
As we pull up to the gate we find it has been taken off its hinges
We park the truck and get out. Armed.
We find 2 middle aged guys, a middle aged woman and about 5 kids have broken into the barn and storage building and are taking everything they can get their hands on.
We yell for them to stop.
One of the guys tries to rush us.
Dad puts a bullet into the ground between the guy's legs.
Stand off ensues.
Woman is going nuts and keeps inching toward me with a broom handle(for some reason) all the while holding 2 of her kids in front of her as a shield.
I finally tell her that if she takes one more step I can and will blow her head off without hesitation and she has to decide if she wants her kids to be covered in blood and see her dead.
One of the guys again tries to rush my Dad.
Another warning shot.
After nearly an hour of this the sheriff finally arrives. His first words to the thieves "Oh it is just you." then he turns to my Dad and says "You should have just killed them."
Deputies arrive and the people are rounded up. All the while with the woman and one of the men screaming "I know who you are. We'll get you old man!" Like some fucked up Scooby Doo episode ending.
DHS finally arrives and takes the kids.

I was also robbed at gunpoint once when I was in high school and was working the morning shift at Arby's when a guy walked in, put a pistol in my face and demanded our money.

I was also involved in a drive by shooting in college due to mistaken identity. Thugs meant to target the house a couple of down from us, got the wrong house and blew out every window in the front of our house and riddled the inside of the house with bullets. Luckily my roommates and I just happened to be in the den which was a converted garage and the side that faced the street was brick.

I have no use for criminals.

I predict you have, or eventually will do time for some form of negligent manslaughter/ homicide/assault, based on the fact that you drool over every vigilante thread to come on this forum.

Either that or you love to bark, but have no bite.

Best wishes.

:clock:

I predict that you are a self righteous prick who wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone if they were in danger.

 

[bearxor]

This guy should have watched more South Park.

"They're coming right for me!"

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: BigJ
Hell, I'm even for you being allowed to use deadly force to protect yourself and your property and this guy needs the chair.

The guy wasn't defending property. He was going hunting.

Did you actually read the story? His neighbors house was being robbed. He most certainly was defending property, and in Texas he can defend his or a 3rd parties property with deadly force.

You ask me if I actually read the story?

The guy went out there with only one thing in his mind. He wanted to kill someone. You can defend property without using lethal force. When you say "I'm going to kill them" that changes the equation completely. That means to me regardless of if you could've successfully defended the property without lethal force, you're going out there to kill somebody.

And how about you post with regards to the correct law regarding the defense of a third person's property:

§ 9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON'S PROPERTY. A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if, under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful
interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or
criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or
(2) the actor reasonably believes that:
(A) the third person has requested his protection
of the land or property;
(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third
person's land or property; or
(C) the third person whose land or property he
uses force or deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent,
or child, resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.

 

[maziwanka]

if he acted with malice, he will be punished for it. sounds like the tape makes it clear that he will be charged

 

[Linux23]

Is there audio tape of the 911 call available?

Edit: it's there on the site, duh.

 

[OdiN]

I agree with Shiner. I have no use for criminals.

This particular guy could have acted a bit better, and I agree that not every guy out there should be trusted with a deadly weapon and know when the proper time to use it is, but I'm not shedding a tear for these criminals.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: Linux23
Is there audio tape of the 911 call available?

it was in the link the OP posted

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: OdiN
I agree with Shiner. I have no use for criminals.

This particular guy could have acted a bit better, and I agree that not every guy out there should be trusted with a deadly weapon and know when the proper time to use it is, but I'm not shedding a tear for these criminals.

I don't think many are sympathetic including the people against this man's choice in actions. Robbers are scum bags.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: eleison
Its simple, if you rob someone's house, be prepared to get shot... When a person breaks into someone's house, he has already demonstrated his disregard for the law. Its sad that 2 people died, but it has to be.

wow, so many people posting in this thread seem to be of the opinion that ends justifies the means.


sure, the result of having 2 burglers / robbers permanently off the streets might be a good one but the means by which they got there is NOT.

I don't know what to think about the guy that killed them...sounds like he was off his rocker and I don't think deadly force was called for here at all. But the two dead theives? I don't really care, occupational hazard. You break into some one's house there's a chance you're going to get shot. Thats part of the reason you don't do that.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

I don't know what to think about the guy that killed them...sounds like he was off his rocker and I don't think deadly force was called for here at all. But the two dead theives? I don't really care, occupational hazard. You break into some one's house there's a chance you're going to get shot. Thats part of the reason you don't do that.

Ya, I would be much more worried about being hurt by the residents whether it be by a gun or other weapons rather than getting caught by the cops if I were a thief.

 

[Linux23]

Funny thing is this guy is gonna get off scottfree for killing two men. The shooter was definitely off his meds or something. He sounds like a crackpot.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
That said, I own a Glock 27 so that I CAN carry/conceal and I do. I've never had to draw, I never hope to, because if I draw, I'm shooting to kill. However; I'm not going to draw on someone who's running away with my DVD player. It's just not right to me.

unless you can get a clear shot at the player, that would make it worth it. =D

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Linux23
Funny thing is this guy is gonna get off scottfree for killing two men. The shooter was definitely off his meds or something. He sounds like a crackpot.

No, he might not. We have laws and we are judged and punished accordingly by a group of peers. Whats going to be so big is whether the man went out with the intention to kill them, or the intention to stop them and then proceeded to defend himself/the property by killing them.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: Linux23
Funny thing is this guy is gonna get off scottfree for killing two men. The shooter was definitely off his meds or something. He sounds like a crackpot.

No, he might not. We have laws and we are judged and punished accordingly by a group of peers. Whats going to be so big is whether the man went out with the intention to kill them, or the intention to stop them and then proceeded to defend himself/the property by killing them.

I think he had intent to kill. As many others have stated already over and over, that when he said "I'm going to kill them" is when he went over the line. He blew it basically confessing (dare I say bragging?) to the 911 operator

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: Linux23
Funny thing is this guy is gonna get off scottfree for killing two men. The shooter was definitely off his meds or something. He sounds like a crackpot.

No, he might not. We have laws and we are judged and punished accordingly by a group of peers. Whats going to be so big is whether the man went out with the intention to kill them, or the intention to stop them and then proceeded to defend himself/the property by killing them.

I think he had intent to kill. As many others have stated already over and over, that when he said "I'm going to kill them" is when he went over the line. He blew it basically confessing (dare I say bragging?) to the 911 operator

That phrase is goign to be his biggest obstacle in my opinion. Still, I'm not ready to judge him yet. Lets get some more info on forensics and his official statement at least.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

You didn't spend time in uniform to defend any of our rights unless you fought in WWII. That's PR bullsh!t and you know it.

It's weird that the soldiers I know in real life are all extremely enlightened and intelligent individuals, but a lot of you who post on the internet seem to be the stereotypical "yipee ky yay" types who make great pawns of whoever is in power because you eat up whatever they feed you.

Human life is always more valuable than property. The only justifiable reason to kill another person is self defense or defense of someone else... not defense of property. It feels good to say "two scumbags off the street". How do we know that if they had lived they wouldn't have gone to prison and been reformed into outstanding members of society? What if they had ratted out a gang or something? We don't know because their lives were completely extinguished before they even had a chance to redeem themselves.

Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends. -Gandalf

The list that could be created showing just how much of a dumbass you are. I'll simply leave it as Frozen Chosin.

 

[Homerboy]

That phrase is goign to be his biggest obstacle in my opinion. Still, I'm not ready to judge him yet. Lets get some more info on forensics and his official statement at least.

Right. I'm not passing judgment, but that is obviously going to be a HUGE obstacle for his defense attorney to overcome no matter what.

I don't overly condone what he did, given the info we have thus far (I love how everyone has already made their heated decisions one way or another with nothing but the 911 call) but who knows what else will come out in the wash.

Should be an interesting case for sure.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

I'm gonna kill them.

This is where he crossed the line from protecting his neighbor's property to murder.

yeah, if you totally neglect what the operator said to him before he said that, you know, that damned thing called context.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

I'm gonna kill them.

This is where he crossed the line from protecting his neighbor's property to murder.

yeah, if you totally neglect what the operator said to him before he said that, you know, that damned thing called context.

What came before it? The Operator saying "You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside..."

How does that affect the "I'm going to kill them"?

 

[seemingly random]

http://www.chron.com/disp/stor...ropolitan/5315727.html

Not in custody and hasn't been charged yet ... must be some doubt.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: seemingly random
http://www.chron.com/disp/stor...ropolitan/5315727.html

Not in custody and hasn't been charged yet ... must be some doubt.

"who is white, with murder in the deaths of the black suspects."

Why do freaking reports have to toss that tripe in there.

 

[seemingly random]

It seems that there has been a heightened sensitivity to violence in Houston recently.

http://www.chron.com/disp/stor...tan/casey/5210879.html

10/13/2007

"
Americans love murders ? as long as they are fictional.

Murders are wildly popular in movies, television dramas and books.

Houston sports a full-service bookstore entirely devoted to the topic: Murder by the Book, on Bissonnet.

Fictional murders entertain us.

Real murders horrify us.

And murder statistics make our eyes glaze over.

But a quick tour through recent Houston murder statistics offers both insight and mystery ? especially for a city that still feels somewhat under siege from a portion of New Orleans' criminal element that washed up here 25 months ago in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
"

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

You didn't spend time in uniform to defend any of our rights unless you fought in WWII. That's PR bullsh!t and you know it.

It's weird that the soldiers I know in real life are all extremely enlightened and intelligent individuals, but a lot of you who post on the internet seem to be the stereotypical "yipee ky yay" types who make great pawns of whoever is in power because you eat up whatever they feed you.

Human life is always more valuable than property. The only justifiable reason to kill another person is self defense or defense of someone else... not defense of property. It feels good to say "two scumbags off the street". How do we know that if they had lived they wouldn't have gone to prison and been reformed into outstanding members of society? What if they had ratted out a gang or something? We don't know because their lives were completely extinguished before they even had a chance to redeem themselves.

Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends. -Gandalf

The list that could be created showing just how much of a dumbass you are. I'll simply leave it as Frozen Chosin.

If you served there then I retract what I said. The likelihood is low that any former soldier on this forum would have done anything but fight in Gulf War I or II, or be a weekend warrior. But you still didn't fight for the right to murder thieves.

 

[Number1]

Lots of people think it's OK to shoot somebody for stealing property. I wonder how many of those ever stole software or music on the internet.

Let me tell you, if I am ever at your house (in Texas) and I catch you downloading illegaly, I am shooting you just because I can.

 

[Throckmorton]

Were they black or Hispanic??