list of whats in the HC Bill

[rudder]

Yet many provisions of it are highly popular.

No lifetime limits, I can pickup insurance after I contract a disease, an insurance company cannot raise premiums without government approval, if I cannot afford insurance it will be provided for me. My employer has to provide me insurance. Unemployment will go down... 16,000 new IRS folks will be hired and there will be staffing needs for the 159 new agencies to manage obamacare.

What is there to hate?

oh yeh, the bills will be due. You have to pay for pediatric coverage as well as a policy that allows children to stay on there until 26. Never had a drop of alcohol in your life? Well you have to pay for substance abuse coverage. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care. No flex spending accounts. Doctors will be monitored and compared with other doctors to see if they are using too many resources. etc etc etc.

 

[zsdersw]

Certainly implied this bill lowers costs.

No, you inferred that because you're apparently locked into a "with us or against us" mode.

 

[nick1985]

No, you inferred that because you're apparently locked into a "with us or against us" mode.

You were saying passing things 1 at a time wouldnt lower costs. I think most people on these boards would take that to mean that you feel the bill, does.

Relax chief.

 

[spidey07]

I love how there are new taxes for people making 200K a year. I thought the magic number was 250K?

Obama - YOU LIE! He said he would not sign a bill that raised taxes for those making under 250K. Therefore he should NOT sign this bill. Otherwise he lies.

 

[zsdersw]

No lifetime limits, I can pickup insurance after I contract a disease, an insurance company cannot raise premiums without government approval, if I cannot afford insurance it will be provided for me. My employer has to provide me insurance. Unemployment will go down... 16,000 new IRS folks will be hired and there will be staffing needs for the 159 new agencies to manage obamacare.

What is there to hate?

oh yeh, the bills will be due. You have to pay for pediatric coverage as well as a policy that allows children to stay on there until 26. Never had a drop of alcohol in your life? Well you have to pay for substance abuse coverage. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care. No flex spending accounts. Doctors will be monitored and compared with other doctors to see if they are using too many resources. etc etc etc.

Yup, of course those provisions are popular. And, also, of course, no one will want to pay for them.. whether through a bill from the insurance company/hospital or in taxes/fees imposed by the government.

Push away with one hand, pull toward with the other. It doesn't work, but that won't stop the American public from doing it anyway.

 

[nick1985]

You have to pay for pediatric coverage as well as a policy that allows children to stay on there until 26.

Thats what I laugh at the most. 26 year olds are not children. Anyone over 22 and still on daddy's insurance needs to grow the fuck up and stand on their own two feet. What a crock of entitlement shit.

 

[zsdersw]

I think most people on these boards would take that to mean that you feel the bill, does.

Most people on these boards who even bother posting about health care are also in a "with us or against us", "take no prisoners", "my way or the highway" mode, too. That doesn't make it right or defendable for you to do it as well.

 

[Throckmorton]

Thats what I laugh at the most. 26 year olds are not children. Anyone over 22 and still on daddy's insurance needs to grow the fuck up and stand on their own two feet. What a crock of entitlement shit.

Go ahead and tell that to every 26 year old you see working a service or menial job. Obviously since there are jobs for everyone, they must be indigents to not have one of those very available and common professional jobs. Oh yeah, every time you see one of the 10% unemployed Americans, punch him in the face, because he's obviously a lazy piece of shit to not have a job in this job-rich economy!

 

[spidey07]

Go ahead and tell that to every 26 year old you see working a service or menial job. Obviously since there are jobs for everyone, they must be indigents to not have one of those very available and common professional jobs. Oh yeah, every time you see one of the 10% unemployed Americans, punch him in the face, because he's obviously a lazy piece of shit to not have a job in this job-rich economy!

Medicaid.

And there are plenty of part time jobs that offer health benefits. That's what it is, a benefit.

 

[woolfe9999]

shadow, most Americans do not want a big federal government that spends like a drunken sailor. Thats why most Americans were against this bill.

How do you respond?

This is not an accurate reflection of polling data. If you add liberals who don't like the bill because it doesn't provide a new government insurance program to the bill supporters, the resulting number is even to a slight majority. That means "most Americans do not want a big federal government" is erroneous, insofar as it purports to explain why so many people don't like the bill.

- wolf

 

[nageov3t]

Medicaid.

And there are plenty of part time jobs that offer health benefits. That's what it is, a benefit.

I'm 28... pretty much everyone I know went through a period following graduation where they were uninsured.

perhaps it'll change when companies start getting fined, but when I was entering the job market, there were pretty much 0 entry-level jobs providing insurance benefits. it wasn't until I got some work experience under my belt and got a new/better job that I was able to get insurance benefits.

had I gotten sick during that time, sure I'd have been fucked, but I'd have also taken you down with me as I declare bankruptcy and default on all my hospital payments, increasing expenses for everyone else.

 

[spidey07]

I'm 28... pretty much everyone I know went through a period following graduation where they were uninsured.

perhaps it'll change when companies start getting fined, but when I was entering the job market, there were pretty much 0 entry-level jobs providing insurance benefits. it wasn't until I got some work experience under my belt and got a new/better job that I was able to get insurance benefits.

had I gotten sick during that time, sure I'd have been fucked, but I'd have also taken you down with me as I declare bankruptcy and default on all my hospital payments, increasing expenses for everyone else.

When I was young my parents, being smart, made sure I got my own insurance as soon as I left theirs so there was no lapse in coverage, pre-existing conditions didn't apply to me, etc. It was under 50 bucks a month. You could have done the same but you CHOSE not to.

 

[Fingolfin269]

What a steaming pile. I sure hope those all for this bill in this thread actually have jobs because I sure as hell am not going to be thrilled about carrying your ass.

 

[nick1985]

This is not an accurate reflection of polling data. If you add liberals who don't like the bill because it doesn't provide a new government insurance program to the bill supporters, the resulting number is even to a slight majority. That means "most Americans do not want a big federal government" is erroneous, insofar as it purports to explain why so many people don't like the bill.

- wolf

Prove it. Show me some polls where a "slight majority" like the bill.

You are full of shit. Most Americans do NOT want a big federal government, that is NOT erroneous. Just because you like a big instrusive powerful fed doesnt mean most Americans do. Again, back it up with a poll, or any sort of evidence.

 

[nageov3t]

When I was young my parents, being smart, made sure I got my own insurance as soon as I left theirs so there was no lapse in coverage, pre-existing conditions didn't apply to me, etc. It was under 50 bucks a month. You could have done the same but you CHOSE not to.

you're right.

but considering the overall relative health of people in that age bracket, aren't we better off having their parents pay into the system for them (if their parents so choose to) and eliminating people defaulting on hospital payments?

as far as risks v rewards go, it seems like it would lean in favor of everyone else in the system.

 

[nick1985]

What a steaming pile. I sure hope those all for this bill in this thread actually have jobs because I sure as hell am not going to be thrilled about carrying your ass.

Seriously. My back already hurts enough from carrying deadbeats.

 

[nageov3t]

Seriously. My back already hurts enough from carrying deadbeats.

you're already carrying deadbeats.

soylent green for everyone over 50 is the only solution.

 

[lupi]

WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ENACTMENT

*Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.

Worth it for that.

Here is a better unedited list:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1914020220100319

You know, that's where the partisan hacks and other associated idiots in that large you people camp get things so wrong. Getting one good thing along with one bad thing isn't a good deal. Getting one good thing along 5 bad things isn't a good deal, getting one good thing while being analy probed still isn't a good deal.
I love a nice t-bone. If it's served with 3 inches of manure around it, no amount of washing is going to get me to bit into that thing. We've just been served one of many shit sandwiches promised by the nut balls currently in charge and the fact that you and so many others are willing to step up at the dining table is an embarrassment for americana.

 

[alphatarget1]

When I was young my parents, being smart, made sure I got my own insurance as soon as I left theirs so there was no lapse in coverage, pre-existing conditions didn't apply to me, etc. It was under 50 bucks a month. You could have done the same but you CHOSE not to.

When I was young(er), my dad lost his job and didn't have insurance for a while. Cobra was expensive. I went ahead and bought insurance for myself for about $50 a month from Blue Cross. It was a high deductible $3000 plan and I made sure I had $3k saved up in case sh!t hits the fan.

That was like 7-8 years ago. I don't think that plan exists anymore, and it certainly would cost a responsible 19 year old a lot more than $50 that I paid a few years ago if it's still there.

 

[nonlnear]

When I was young(er), my dad lost his job and didn't have insurance for a while. Cobra was expensive. I went ahead and bought insurance for myself for about $50 a month from Blue Cross. It was a high deductible $3000 plan and I made sure I had $3k saved up in case sh!t hits the fan.

That was like 7-8 years ago. I don't think that plan exists anymore, and it certainly would cost a responsible 19 year old a lot more than $50 that I paid a few years ago if it's still there.

The recently passed bill has (very likely, depending on what was covered) made that plan illegal. Remember, you can keep your current coverage if you like it - or something like that.

 

[First]

Seriously. My back already hurts enough from carrying deadbeats.

Deadbeats can't carry deadbeats because they are, after all, deadbeats.

 

[nick1985]

Deadbeats can't carry deadbeats because they are, after all, deadbeats.

I assure you I am gainfully employed and self-sufficient. I dont rely on government handouts.

 

[First]

I assure you I am gainfully employed and self-sufficient. I dont rely on government handouts.

Wait so since 90% of the workforce is employed you're seriously saying that having to carry the 10% of the population that is unemployed (all their fault I guess for being unemployed, eh?) means you're carrying deadbeats? That's pretty entertaining.

Being "employed" does not make you a non-deadbeat. It just means you were able to find at least one person willing to hire you. I can't count the number of deadbeats working 30K/yr or 40K/yr jobs or the number making 100K/yr or 110K/yr for being horrible human beings.

 

[nonlnear]

Being "employed" does not make you a non-deadbeat. It just means you were able to find at least one person willing to hire you. I can't count the number of deadbeats working 30K/yr or 40K/yr jobs or the number making 100K/yr or 110K/yr for being horrible human beings.

Wait, you're just making up new definitions out of your ass. Where can I learn this debate tactic?

 

[First]

Wait, you're just making up new definitions out of your ass. Where can I learn this debate tactic?

List your definition, then, deadbeat.