Lion vs. Tiger

Page 10 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
Status
Not open for further replies.

Battle Cat

Member
Jan 9, 2013
40
0
0
Not sure if this has been mentioned before but, in Russia, bears make nests in trees to keep away from Siberian Tigers. So, yeah, tigers are no joke. They kill all others.


Well if a bear lives in a tree its no going to be the big kind related to the brown bear or Grizzly bear. The smaller bears lions and tigers can kill easily.

But yes there is no doubt that tigers are no joke, I certainly would never say that many people think they are the toughest strongest cat. In some ways they are, both the lion and tiger have advantages over the other. There not the same animal, in many ways the tiger is like all cat species, its just over sized, its is big as it gets. Because all cats are structured and designed for sudden rapid burst of speed even your house cat, this gives the tiger that advantage, cats can fall off roofs and still be fine, again the tiger can jump very well it is flexible. These are advantages. Ever see how fast your house cat strikes a snake on the ground with its paw, tigers and house cats are related, but that is where the weaknesses are as well.

Cats as a species are skitish mentally, they have more fear then the dog family there more nervous, and they have poor endurance. They rely on there paw speed for protection to keep enemies at bay like packs of dogs. And because they rely almost totally on there paws, there head and neck and jaw coordination and mobility isn't even close to that of a dogs.

Dogs have amazing head eye coordination, they can catch balls frisbees from far away, they can tilt there neck all over the place to dodge other dogs bites, and the can bite rapidly many bites in one second far faster then any cat.

The lion is unique among all cats, in that it is just about the only cat closer to the dog family besides the Cheetah. The lions limbs are straighter, its lower radius is the same in length as its upper limb the humerus, this is indicative of dogs, and it helps with endurance in running, the tigers radius is shorter in length then its humerus, which is not good for endurance running but good for starting off speed to ambush prey.

The lion has heavier bones then the tiger, the tigers are more hollow, again dogs have heavier bones then the cat family. This will slow the lion down a little but it will enable it to take more abuse in fights. The lion has larger lungs and heart then the tiger, this will most certainly help it with having more endurance in fights, its heart can beat up to 20 beats slower then the tiger at the faster rate, this is significant.

The lion also has longer front arms then the tiger, this can give any where from up to 3 to five inches in reach length over he tiger, most tigers are lower to the ground then the average lion. At times the lions front arms are so long there even longer then its back legs like hyenas. Tigers are the opposite, they have longer rear quarters that aid it in jumping. But over all the lion just appears bigger, because it stands taller even in the back legs, its lower foot is also longer then the tiger with causes its back legs to stand higher then the tiger as well, the tiger just happens to be at times longer in the rear and its back curves more like all cats up at the end and then tapers down. Lions have less curving backs, again there straighter and shorter more like dogs.

The shoulders of the lion are what gives it its swing and shoving strength over the tiger this is what you use in fights and the lion has the advantage here, the data the pictures all indicate that the lion has the biggest shoulders by quite a bit over all the cats including the tiger.

Tigers exceed the lion in the forearm area, this is for solitary prey gripping the animal and taking it down, and for starting off speed in ambushes plus it is good for running on un even hilly topography. It also appears and some like Bold have disagreed here, I'm not sure, but the tiger may exceed the lion in the tricep or bicep area, but it wont be by a significant amount to really give it an edge, the lions arms are son long, that sometimes it makes its arms appear thinner then the tiger, the tigers arms are shorter so they bend more and flex more when walking making them appear thicker in photos. Plus the tiger has looser skin around the chest area and the stomach, making its chest appear bigger and its mid section larger.

Lions have very tight fitted skin, they have no excess fat any where, they can't have this because of the over whelming heat in Africa, there fur is very thin, like skin, they also don't use the water to cool them selfs off so they can't afford to have thick fur or extra fat or skin anywhere. This can at times make the lion appear less bulky then the tiger.

Because the tiger also has thicker fur, which it has too, because it swims, it needs to keep warm again coming out of the water so its fur can't be as thin as lions. Lions that swim in the Okavango delta actually grew thicker fur to keep them warm in the water, in some seasons coming out the water can be cold, the animal needs more insulation.

There are many more differences, mentally as I was saying in the beginning, the lion is very different then the tiger and all cats. Its is far more fearless and bold like the dog family, it is not easily spooked or nervous like most cats. This gives it a huge advantage over the tiger, even if there was a big strong tiger say a siberian, mentally the lion will be stronger and it will be calmer in battle not frantic.

The up bringing of the lion is also much different that ads to this, it spars with its father upon first meeting him from birth. The young lions also play fight with older brothers in the pride also as there growing up. They fight over food at meal time with each other, they basically learn to fight as a way of life, this has been going on for thousands of years, the result is a different social cat that is more at home and accustomed to disputes and conflicts. While most cats like the tiger are more shy and solitary. If the lion is not a good fighter, it will probably die. If the tiger is not a good fighter it wont matter, it will be fine as long as its a good hunter.

The mane of the lion hinders it in hunting, the prey can see it far off, and its long front arms and heavily built bones are more designed for combat not agile hunting like the tiger, so the lion needs the lioness's to help it. But the only way it can get a pride of lioness's is by its toughness to run off the existing male, to beat him in a fight. This is why the lion has to specialize in fighting. And is the reason it does.
 

Juddog

Diamond Member
Dec 11, 2006
7,851
6
81
LOL that you're still using two accounts, as if that somehow boosts your argument!
 

Silver Prime

Golden Member
May 29, 2012
1,671
7
0
So Silver Prime, if you and Battlecat (sheesh, it's like being in a cheap thundercats remake) are different people do you follow each other around the internet, independently trawl for these sorts of threads or do you have your own little virtual clubhouse where you coordinate your lion defence activities?

Thunder cats? Battle cat is from HEMAN YOU MOOK! Honestly, dont you know anything! I was just looking for the truth, is that trolling? Nope, actually trolling is what your doing, genius.

Originally Posted by Dari
Not sure if this has been mentioned before but, in Russia, bears make nests in trees to keep away from Siberian Tigers. So, yeah, tigers are no joke. They kill all others.
A tiger can kill a bear, its documented, but there are also bears killing tigers via Clyde beattys bear killed 2 tigers, the problem with your side of the debate, is there hasent been any victories of a tiger taking on a brown bear in his full potential, via 800 pounders an up...tigers aint durable enough. Its funny that theres almost more accounts of lions killing brown an white bears which were mainly in circuses than of tigers killing bears who should have had 100's sense they co-exsist in the wild, if lions co-exsisted with brown bears than there'd be unlimited information on lions killing bears.
Originally Posted by battle cat
Oh is that the P.Tigris vid, funny how he sped up the motion. I don't know what that music is really not sure, we would have to ask P.Tigris. its important to know that a male tiger that video is seen at the beginning and running up the side of the pit. Also they replay the lion getting bit on the back mane and being knocked over like 8 times or something. This gives a false representation as to what happened. The lion was only bit on the back mane once and it only fell over a couple of times.

They replayed the same clips of the tiger doing well, obviously because they had no more footage of other tigers doing well against the lions. The greater question is what happened to the male, we saw it in the beginning, we see it mid way through running up the pit, so it obviously didn't want to fight, but did it escape, or did the lion kill it so fast at one point there was not footage to use, and they only had the females footage, to which they had to replay clips of her like 8 times.
Yeah I know its that wank, but hes not responsible for the music, there was a few movies that scene was added into an its just for one of em that I cant find. But yeah, they dident have that much footage in that fight, fights like wild ones are probably super brief because of being frieghtened, it wasent there choice, they were baided an cornered off from there habitat into going in there...they were wild, yet just came in to close for comfort, so the trecking people of india kinda led them in the pit. But no dought that male was more mauled, he is after all a male, so a male lion wouldent hold as much back as the others did.
 
Last edited:

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
32,417
10,539
136
Thunder cats? Battle cat is from HEMAN YOU MOOK! Honestly, dont you know anything! I was just looking for the truth, is that trolling? Nope, actually trolling is what your doing, genius...

So ignoring my ignorance of ancient crappy childrens animated tv shows you want to answer the question?

So Silver Prime, if you and Battlecat (sheesh, it's like being in a cheap heman (apparently) remake) are different people do you follow each other around the internet, independently trawl for these sorts of threads or do you have your own little virtual clubhouse where you coordinate your lion defence activities?
 

Silver Prime

Golden Member
May 29, 2012
1,671
7
0
Since I shined a light somewhat on...
The experts opinions and accounts, lets now cover historical artifacts.

Clearly there's no animal more used in heraldry than the lion. The GEO (famous german science magazine) has examined which animal is used how many times in heraldry for each continent (in general). These were the results (Black=big cats): Showing lions are used in every continent while tigers only 1. Asia
LweinderSymbolik.png


How many cultures of the world have historical memorabilia of tigers an lions fighting an who did they document winning from the beggining of there cultures importing or indigidous records threw artifacts?
 

Silver Prime

Golden Member
May 29, 2012
1,671
7
0
China
~(Indidegous to the Asian tiger, Afghanistan sent lions to Chinese emperors as gifts in order to get the right to trade with Silk Road merchants. *(205 B.C. to 220 A.D in China) and during the Tang Dynasty (716-907 A.D.)
http://arts.cultural-china.com/en/9Arts10159.html

^ So in terms, lions were in china for about 2,000 years. An since they were only imported an not indigedous, most likely there conflicts were accidental in captivity or pitted for chinese royal emperors an such.

After importing lions, the chinese have incorperated lions in there legends an ranked his courage unserpassed. A Lion fighting a Nian who the Tiger couldent.
http://www.sevenstarmantis.co.uk/7.html

A modern account Showing that the historical artifacts below, still holds up to its merits showing that it is not only artistical but factual.

A lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east Chinas Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes." *
~Peoples Daily Online


Beatiful Polycrome ox bone Chinese figure minature carving of a lion attacking a tiger
10937181_1_x.jpg

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/tongzhi-period-1862-1874-chinese-vase-287767094
G3061_photo06.jpg
*
image.aspx
*
1_0261720d5d31c4c336e01ca827407922.jpg

7214125_1_l.jpg

1462892476_1d40ea432f_z.jpg

134770-tn.jpg

02287a.jpg

1194666_1.jpg


I'll come back to this one, an show each date so you can get a better feeling of how long there gaps are apart, an show what dynastys have recorded these events.
 
Last edited:

Silver Prime

Golden Member
May 29, 2012
1,671
7
0
Japan
~(Importations as far back as the 2nd century)

This episode is a pantomime about a lion and a tiger. They fight each other and the lion catches the tiger in the end. This episode is originated from topographical characteristics of Mt. Baek at Suyeong. When a big lion appears in dancing, a tiger (called "Dambo") comes. They dance and talk back and forth. In the end, the lion catches the tiger.
http://www.suyeongminsok.or.kr/eng/menu01_02.php

Japanese culture, reinacting events of the past ^, it would seem that the lion an tiger would fight, an in the end usually the lion would win.
Lions and tigers were imported so just like the chinese, they were most likely pited or accidentally got at each other in captivity, showing past historical artifacts of who usually won recorded by the Japanese...


388.jpg

d1995873r.jpg

168.jpg

1793
Of a lion fighting a tiger, incised maker's mark Gyouko Saku [ù?å?çÏ, made by Gyouko].
product_2823291b.jpg

19 C) Han Dynasty
Patinated & carved Japanese Meiji fighting lion and tiger bronze.
Bronze made "à cire perdue" (a method of casting bronze, in which a mould is formed around a wax pattern, which is subsequently melted and drained away).The eyes are made of glass. The patina work on the tiger is particular remarkable. The signature is under the lion: "Watanabe"
dbbronzelion1ky1.jpg

image

image

bronzelion1bb1.jpg

DSC09790.jpg

10292664_1_m.jpg

http://www.panasia.ch/images/japon/2636.jpg
Bronze
1860, signature
http://japanantiques.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/-652503307253362890.jpg
http://images.artfinding.com/svv/th...atine_brune_lion_attaquant_un_tigre-335-1.jpg
 
Last edited:

Silver Prime

Golden Member
May 29, 2012
1,671
7
0
Its quite trickey to label what districts when it comes to some artifacts, I could either label the empire they were part of, the reigon the artifact was developed in and or just the nationality of the artist/sculpturer.
-
Europe

London:
-(Once had European lions later just Importations, an has had Kings pitted lions an tigers for Royalty such as King Henry the 2nd to 8th)

LM00831lion-tiger.jpg

mer_wgm_2867_large.jpg

rb_fight.jpg



Russia:
-(Indigedous to the Siberian tiger once had asiatic lions in the south east reigons of Russia near the caspian sea relativly migrating from, places like persia and armenia)

chap21-48.jpg


British:
-(Imported lions an tigers from around the world of all sub-speices of lions and tigers)
*
lion_tiger.jpg

6445.jpg
*
Fullscreen%20capture%2002052010%20054713.bmp_thumb%5B3%5D.jpg
*
-
-
Germany:
-(Once had lions on there boarder lines of Russian sythians of siberian tigers an asiatic lions)

slevogt-max-1868-1932-germany-kampf-zwischen-lowe-und-tiger-2088424.jpg

index.php
 
Last edited:

Silver Prime

Golden Member
May 29, 2012
1,671
7
0
you need a life

I got one bud, an awesome one.

I was born an raised here in oahu an still live in hawaii, the most beautiful place in the world, you know...where millions of people save up there life savings just to come an vacation here for only weeks in a place 99% of the world calls paradise.

I fish, dive an surf in the most purest an cleanest waters in the world monthly. I grow my vegatation of every vegatable an fruit there is from taro patches to papaya an mangos, you name it I grow it.

Ive been a landscaper going on 8 years now...steady job, where I literaly rip off rich white tourist by taking plants they drive by everyday without the concern or care an I simply pick it from my aina with respect, pot it an sell it to them for thousands of dollars. win win baby.


I recently lost my truck so work is slow, an I have time on my hands to share, facts with the world on a subject that took me no less than a combine 70 hours of my life to research on.


Now..........what the fuck did you do with your life thats so speacial, chump hmm?

Because me....I'm on easy street, pal.
 

Juddog

Diamond Member
Dec 11, 2006
7,851
6
81
I got one bud, an awesome one.

I was born an raised here in oahu an still live in hawaii, the most beautiful place in the world, you know...where millions of people save up there life savings just to come an vacation here for only weeks in a place 99% of the world calls paradise.

I fish, dive an surf in the most purest an cleanest waters in the world monthly. I grow my vegatation of every vegatable an fruit there is from taro patches to papaya an mangos, you name it I grow it.

Ive been a landscaper going on 8 years now...steady job, where I literaly rip off rich white tourist by taking plants they drive by everyday without the concern or care an I simply pick it from my aina with respect, pot it an sell it to them for thousands of dollars. win win baby.


I recently lost my truck so work is slow, an I have time on my hands to share, facts with the world on a subject that took me no less than a combine 70 hours of my life to research on.


Now..........what the fuck did you do with your life thats so speacial, chump hmm?

Because me....I'm on easy street, pal.

Riveting tale, chap! Please, tell us more of your made-up story.
 

raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
12,892
572
126
This has been one of the better threads in OT in a long time. Thanks for the information! (Though one may not be able to digest all of it :D)

The one question that Silver Prime has not posted much about is what happened to all these animals? It seemed like such a sad thing that thousands of these animals were living all over the world only a few centuries ago yet they are only found in a few places today. Did man really make that much progress in the last three centuries that so many of these animals simply go away?
 
Last edited:

Silver Prime

Golden Member
May 29, 2012
1,671
7
0
Riveting tale, chap! Please, tell us more of your made-up story.

Wow, like no one seen that one coming, but thanks for the flatering gesture, at least it lets me paint a picture of how extravagant your life turned out to be, if you cant even take in something thats medicore. XD XD XD XD
 

Silver Prime

Golden Member
May 29, 2012
1,671
7
0
This has been one of the better threads in OT in a long time. Thanks for the information! (Though one may not be able to digest all of it :D)

The one question that Silver Prime has not posted much about is what happened to all these animals? It seemed like such a sad thing that thousands of these animals were living all over the world only a few centuries ago yet they are only found in a few places today. Did man really make that much progress in the last three centuries that so many of these animals simply go away?

Mahalos brah, its not all that much though, so take your time digesting the ono poi. lol

But as for what happened to them......Guns my man, Guns happnend.
In the ancient times you would have to be the most skilled, bravest an well weaponed human to take on a lion or tiger, or just have a abundentcy of crazy rebels with spears an arrows an stuff, but as soon as guns came into play, it became sport, basically a 14 year old with a will an dream to kill as much lions as his dad the famous hunter was now possible...similar to trophy hunting, it becomes a standard to brag on how many you can kill, quite sad really, an quite the cowardness to have taken up shooting something as natrual an majestic as tigers an lions...which later lead to poaching, animals became in high demand an was killed for money.. so, eventually around the world they started dissapearing.

I could show a little later some examples by 16th-20th century etchings of hunting an poaching them...but it will be a tole on me, for I dont like to dwell to much on it, that my friend is alot to digest, which is eradication also known as Genocide...Sad bro, sad
 
Last edited:

Silver Prime

Golden Member
May 29, 2012
1,671
7
0
Menageries
Menageries are the beggining of what most call the modern circuses, which in the ancient greek times reffered to as a"Circle" arena, in more modern times it just ment a housing for animals who perform in entertainment ...animals also were then incorperated in sanqtuarys an zoos more aided from animal activist who are against animal cruelty, where occaisionlly in all acro's of these places, accidents happened every so often which lead to lions and tigers getting at each other, even for some media of events an movies what was ment for acting turned violent an out of control leading to a few recorded death casualties.

lionvstigeraccount4.jpg

enlionsandtigerfighting.jpg



full-darkestafrica-1sh.jpg


lostjunglelobby.JPG


61pwwRAdwJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg


21241443.jpg


afterdelacroix.jpg


$(KGrHqR,!pYE7Bcvm!0mBPq78ZL9Zg~~60_35.JPG


animals-quadrupeds-combat-lion-tiger-leopard-antelope-antique-print-1873-156140-p.jpg
 

Battle Cat

Member
Jan 9, 2013
40
0
0
Riveting tale, chap! Please, tell us more of your made-up story.


Who's the one with no life, the one that has unearthed finds and artifacts of a creature carved and sculpted by the hands of men from cultures all around the world for centuries. Or the one that just sits around criticizing this, and who's profile pick is an odd bearded man with what looks to be a bomb on his head.

And oh yeah, trust me Hawaii is a place people in the states want to go too, sure beats the Middle east.
 

Silver Prime

Golden Member
May 29, 2012
1,671
7
0
Who's the one with no life, the one that has unearthed finds and artifacts of a creature carved and sculpted by the hands of men from cultures all around the world for centuries. Or the one that just sits around criticizing this, and who's profile pick is an odd bearded man with what looks to be a bomb on his head.

And oh yeah, trust me Hawaii is a place people in the states want to go too, sure beats the Middle east.

Hey D, no need for ze back up...I think I can manage monkeys. lol

The forum was out of commission for a while there, but she looks like she's back up an running.+++

But yeah mate, I figure I post one more time before I hit the hay...geez its fricken late, an I gotta get some rest. So if anything brah, take it easy an
Aloha nui loa's ^_^
 

Juddog

Diamond Member
Dec 11, 2006
7,851
6
81
Hey D, no need for ze back up...I think I can manage monkeys. lol

The forum was out of commission for a while there, but she looks like she's back up an running.+++

But yeah mate, I figure I post one more time before I hit the hay...geez its fricken late, an I gotta get some rest. So if anything brah, take it easy an
Aloha nui loa's ^_^

I love how you only wait a few minutes before switching accounts, in order to reply to your own posts. You really do show signs of schizophrenia.
 

Battle Cat

Member
Jan 9, 2013
40
0
0
I love how you only wait a few minutes before switching accounts, in order to reply to your own posts. You really do show signs of schizophrenia.



Juddog do you think there is no other lion fans on the internet, hello I know Prime from another forum, your really looking like a joke here seriously, and can you care to explain why there is bomb on your profile pic head?
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
32,417
10,539
136
Juddog do you think there is no other lion fans on the internet, hello I know Prime from another forum, your really looking like a joke here seriously, and can you care to explain why there is bomb on your profile pic head?

How come you both ended up here?
 

Silver Prime

Golden Member
May 29, 2012
1,671
7
0
I love how you only wait a few minutes before switching accounts, in order to reply to your own posts. You really do show signs of schizophrenia.

Ha ha ha ha ha, more like I like how your a grade "A" troll, an the hugest stalker I've seen so far.. half the time we are loged in at the same time, how is that possible, Hmm? Oh yeah thats right, I'm supposed to be a guy in a lion suit in a basement, with multiple computers, that has multiple Ip adresses that no proxy in the world could scramble, an have the most consistant non similar grammar ability mixed with scitsophrania...

XD XD XD XD XD XD XD Whats Juddog mean in Indian, Retarded?
 

Silver Prime

Golden Member
May 29, 2012
1,671
7
0
Why don't you ask puff the magic dragon how? Oh gee I don't know, maybe because I happened to already know him from another site, we've said all this already, how slow are you guys, what are you on something.

I know, its like hes a die hard techno freak that never strayed into the uhh...Off-topic part. XD XD XD its not that why we are here, its why are we making them look like retards...theres no reason why this debate cant be civil, yet they do everything within there capabilities to egg people on an or just troll.

But anyways, hows the the other half doing on Yuku? Man I really wanna just take a glance at all 3 yuku sites but this explorer cant, my safari could but it crashed for some reason. But I still laugh because no one, not even there hieghest creditable member=Peter who I respect an who is almost a nutruel lol has ever tookin up the challange an put things in catagorie form an chronological order. Because at this point, if they wont do it for the tigers behalf, then I will.
Lying on behalf of the tiger actually shows that you are degrading his name an status, which they dont need to, the tiger is the ultimate assassin just the same way if all my data was in fashion to extend the lions cause by showing non essential an non affiliated things on topic, I'd be degrading the lion, but with or without me putting these data together...the data still exsisted meaning that the world individually knows that the lion is the King of the beast if I explain or dont...its common knowledge.

But what Jackjack at P.tigris them did was try an repaint history an try there best to twist reasons why the lion got his title by pointing out non affiliated things in how he got it in the first place. XD In other words they are just jealous that he has the title King, because they think that the title King means your the better fighter or the one who always wins...when in reality thats not all what it takes to get that title...there are hundreds of trials an tribulations to get the title of the King, an I'm sorry to say but the tiger cant possibly achive that title for one of the esstential reasons is because of is... he is solitary, which is something a king just does not impliment.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
32,417
10,539
136
Why don't you ask puff the magic dragon how? Oh gee I don't know, maybe because I happened to already know him from another site, we've said all this already, how slow are you guys, what are you on something.

So you sort of send each other alerts and scramble the troops when this subject comes up?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.