Limiting the voting rights of college students

[Texashiker]

How many young adults leave their home state to go to college? If certain people in congress have their way, those students may not be able to vote outside their home state.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theti...the-2012-campaign-states-debate-voting-rights

including a bill that would allow them to vote in college towns only if they or their parents had established permanent residency in the state.

 

[chucky2]

I don't see a problem with this actually. Your vote should only be counted in the state (at the least) that you're permanent residence is at. This is 2011, going on 2012, the mail service is reliable enough that this is not a problem.

If people don't care enough to get their abs. ballot in on time, then, they must have not cared enough to have their vote count.

Chuck

 

[Elias824]

This makes me want to stab someone, college kids dont get a say what because we dont have a jobs? Alot of us do work, not only that but going to college is counted as being employed in the unemployment figures..... Its insanity, though im happy to know this will never go anywhere.

 

[fskimospy]

How many young adults leave their home state to go to college? If certain people in congress have their way, those students may not be able to vote outside their home state.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theti...the-2012-campaign-states-debate-voting-rights

Pretty transparent effort to limit the vote of groups they don't agree with. Contemptible.

 

[Jaskalas]

WTF?

If you can vote in a state you DO NOT live in, does that mean you can vote twice by voting in the state in which you DO live?

 

[spidey07]

Shouldn't be able to vote in a state you don't live in. Do absentee ballots. Not seeing a problem here and it will cut down on voter fraud. And who would disagree with showing proof of citizenship or residency as proof? Or more importantly, for what reason and purpose?

 

[MotF Bane]

I don't see a problem with this actually. Your vote should only be counted in the state (at the least) that you're permanent residence is at. This is 2011, going on 2012, the mail service is reliable enough that this is not a problem.

If people don't care enough to get their abs. ballot in on time, then, they must have not cared enough to have their vote count.

Chuck

This.

 

[MotF Bane]

This makes me want to stab someone, college kids dont get a say what because we dont have a jobs? Alot of us do work, not only that but going to college is counted as being employed in the unemployment figures..... Its insanity, though im happy to know this will never go anywhere.

Read it again, it doesn't say college students can't vote at all. Absentee ballots work just fine.

 

[Throckmorton]

Shouldn't be able to vote in a state you don't live in. Do absentee ballots. Not seeing a problem here and it will cut down on voter fraud. And who would disagree with showing proof of citizenship or residency as proof? Or more importantly, for what reason and purpose?

When I was in college I registered where I lived when I was in school, not where my parents lived... Are you saying that's fraud?

 

[Throckmorton]

Read it again, it doesn't say college students can't vote at all. Absentee ballots work just fine.

WTF are you talking about? What does absentee ballots "working just fine" have to do with where you can vote? What if we pass a law that everybody under the age of 30 has to register in the same district as their parents? How about 40? Why does being a college student alter your voting rights?

"absentee ballots work just fine" so maybe we should just give everbody some arbitrary voting district and mail them ballots, and that will "work just fine

 

[JSt0rm]

This is 2011, going on 2012, the mail service is reliable enough that this is not a problem.

interesting. so you are saying this government agency works? :hmm:

 

[Throckmorton]

WTF?

If you can vote in a state you DO NOT live in, does that mean you can vote twice by voting in the state in which you DO live?

In what parallel universe do you not live where you go to college? Has the teleporter been invented?

 

[Texashiker]

What if we pass a law that everybody under the age of 30 has to register in the same district as their parents? How about 40? Why does being a college student alter your voting rights?

I think its more about college students being portable - so that they can register in the state where their in school at, and the state where their parents are at.

Here in southeast Texas we have Lamar college in Orange. In southwest Louisiana we have McNeese State University in Lake Charles.

There is only about 35 - 45 miles between Lake Charles and Orange.

Lets say we have someone from Orange that is going to school in Lake Charles. If that person really wanted to, they could vote in Lake Charles, drive 45 minutes to Orange and then vote again.

I think that is what the proposed law is targeting,

 

[MikeyLSU]

In what parallel universe do you not live where you go to college? Has the teleporter been invented?

because most college students keep their drivers license in the state their parents live/they grew up in. Most do not change it to their college state/town.

They should not be able to vote if they don't change their permanent address to that state.

 

[fskimospy]

WTF?

If you can vote in a state you DO NOT live in, does that mean you can vote twice by voting in the state in which you DO live?

No you can't. You can only be registered in one place at a time.

 

[fskimospy]

I think its more about college students being portable - so that they can register in the state where their in school at, and the state where their parents are at.

Here in southeast Texas we have Lamar college in Orange. In southwest Louisiana we have McNeese State University in Lake Charles.

There is only about 35 - 45 miles between Lake Charles and Orange.

Lets say we have someone from Orange that is going to school in Lake Charles. If that person really wanted to, they could vote in Lake Charles, drive 45 minutes to Orange and then vote again.

I think that is what the proposed law is targeting,

Is there any evidence whatsoever that any such action is taking place?

 

[Throckmorton]

I think its more about college students being portable - so that they can register in the state where their in school at, and the state where their parents are at.

Here in southeast Texas we have Lamar college in Orange. In southwest Louisiana we have McNeese State University in Lake Charles.

There is only about 35 - 45 miles between Lake Charles and Orange.

Lets say we have someone from Orange that is going to school in Lake Charles. If that person really wanted to, they could vote in Lake Charles, drive 45 minutes to Orange and then vote again.

I think that is what the proposed law is targeting,

NO YOU CAN'T. You can only register to vote in one place. Are people really that ignorant of the fucking voting process?

 

[Thump553]

Yet another act of political gamesmanship. This argument has been going on for years, if not decades. It's always been a hot issue in New Hampshire and has been settled law there for quite a while now that a person is entitled to vote where they declare they reside.

I wish ALL our legislators woudl focus real stuff (fixing the economy, fixing the deficit, etc) instead of trying to stack the deck to most advantegously assure their re-election, but I guess I'm just naive that way. The GOP always raises the boogieman of electoral fraud claiming (only the Democratic inclined) students vote multiple times at college and at their parents' home. They are kind of like birthers, insisting on the truth of their belief despite all empirical evidence being to the contrary.

 

[chucky2]

interesting. so you are saying this government agency works? :hmm:

Sure. It's like every other large government agency, it works at a loss that the taxpayer makes up for.

That's not a good "works"...

Chuck

 

[tk149]

Residence versus domicile. I don't really have a problem with it.

 

[Texashiker]

Is there any evidence whatsoever that any such action is taking place?

Not that I know of.

Are you saying that voting in 2 different locations is not possible?

NO YOU CAN'T. You can only register to vote in one place. Are people really that ignorant of the fucking voting process?

Do border states compare voting records to see who has voted and registered?

 

[fskimospy]

Read it again, it doesn't say college students can't vote at all. Absentee ballots work just fine.

And a large percentage of them are residents in places far away from their home of record. This makes registering to vote there a great deal more cumbersome than it would be anywhere else, which of course is the whole idea.

There's no evidence that fraud of this sort is taking place, none. If anyone can show such evidence, please do. It's still one man, one vote, so why does anyone care so much about which address this vote is registered to? And why, from a representative perspective, do we want college kids voting in a place where they live for 3 months a year (at best) instead of where they live 9 months a year? Which place are they more represented by?

This is silliness, and it's vote suppression.

 

[chucky2]

Really I don't know why this is even an issue. All legal voters, no matter if they're students or not, should have their votes counted where their legal residence is at. If they can't get back there to vote during voting time, send in an absentee ballot.

If someone is too dumb to accomplish that, then do we really want to worry about/design an un-optimal system to count their vote?

I'd say No....

Chuck

 

[jonks]

I don't see a problem with this actually. Your vote should only be counted in the state (at the least) that you're permanent residence is at. This is 2011, going on 2012, the mail service is reliable enough that this is not a problem.

If people don't care enough to get their abs. ballot in on time, then, they must have not cared enough to have their vote count.

That ain't the motivation though.

"In a recent speech to a tea party group in the state, House Speaker William O'Brien described college voters as "foolish." "Voting as a liberal. That's what kids do," he said, in remarks that were videotaped by a state Democratic Party staffer and posted on YouTube. Students, he said, lack "life experience" and "just vote their feelings."

This is merely an attempt to disenfranchise a demographic that votes op-party. That's all.

 

[fskimospy]

Not that I know of.

Are you saying that voting in 2 different locations is not possible?

Do border states compare voting records to see who has voted and registered?

Have you ever moved between states? It's just as possible in that case as it is in this one. Is there any evidence that this happens? Nope. (the primary reason being it's about the worst way to rig an election ever)

Records as to who has voted are available in every state, so such a comparison can freely be made at any time. This creates a barrier to voting rights, the most fundamental right that we have. Before we do that, any sane person should require evidence of a problem that exists and must be corrected.