Limiting the voting rights of college students

[fskimospy]

Really I don't know why this is even an issue. All legal voters, no matter if they're students or not, should have their votes counted where their legal residence is at. If they can't get back there to vote during voting time, send in an absentee ballot.

If someone is too dumb to accomplish that, then do we really want to worry about/design an un-optimal system to count their vote?

I'd say No....

Chuck

Because dumb or not dumb is not a good reason to deny someone the ability to vote. We all should be in the position of wanting the maximum number of legal ballots cast while still preserving the sanctity of the system, that way the will of the people is most clearly expressed.

There is no evidence that the current way of doing things undermines the sanctity of the system, and therefore it's a solution without a problem. That, and thanks to the quote from our good friend there it's pretty clear to see what the real reason is, voter suppression.

 

[Texashiker]

NO YOU CAN'T. You can only register to vote in one place. Are people really that ignorant of the fucking voting process?

What is physically stopping someone from registering in 2 different states?

John Doe lives in Lake Charles Lake, Louisiana.
Company sends John to Beaumont, Texas for a 6 month project
John doe gets and apartment, new Texas drivers license and registers to vote in Texas.
Election rolls around, John votes in Texas, then drives 45 minutes to Lake Charles to vote again.

What is stopping him, nothing. Just don't get caught.

 

[chucky2]

I could care less what the motivation is, people should have their votes counted where they've designated their primary residence at. If they're a student and want to change their permanent to be at school, fine. I have no problem with that.

Chuck

P.S. As a group, everything, except arguably their political leaning, is true. If you disagree with that, then the college kids should be smart enough and on the ball enough to get their absentee votes in.

 

[Kadarin]

If the student is a legal adult with legal voting rights, they should be able to choose whether to vote at their permanent residence or at their college residence. Restricting this is idiotic.

 

[Patranus]

According to the "progressive" someone who is 26 is still a child. Therefore, they shouldn't get a vote.

 

[fskimospy]

I could care less what the motivation is, people should have their votes counted where they've designated their primary residence at. If they're a student and want to change their permanent to be at school, fine. I have no problem with that.

Chuck

P.S. As a group, everything, except arguably their political leaning, is true. If you disagree with that, then the college kids should be smart enough and on the ball enough to get their absentee votes in.

What criteria are you using for 'primary residence', and what reason do you have for thinking that the will of districts are better expressed by people voting in an area they spend only 25% of the year in, as opposed to 75% of the year in?

 

[nageov3t]

I don't see any problem with this.

if you consider the state where you attend college to be your primary residence, establish residency and change your driver's license. otherwise, vote via mail-in ballot.

if nothing else, it's a decent way to prevent college kids from 100% controlling local elections in college towns even if they don't live in town, utilize town services, and only actually venture into town 2 days/week during the school year.

 

[chucky2]

Because dumb or not dumb is not a good reason to deny someone the ability to vote. We all should be in the position of wanting the maximum number of legal ballots cast while still preserving the sanctity of the system, that way the will of the people is most clearly expressed.

There is no evidence that the current way of doing things undermines the sanctity of the system, and therefore it's a solution without a problem. That, and thanks to the quote from our good friend there it's pretty clear to see what the real reason is, voter suppression.

Cool story bro.

Tell me: How are students having their votes supressed if they file an absentee vote?

Answer: They're not.

So, since they're not having their votes supressed or limited, since we already have an absentee voting system in place, what's the problem again?

Chuck

 

[Texashiker]

since we already have an absentee voting system in place, what's the problem again?

If the absentee voting system is good enough for people serving in the military and deployed overseas, then it should be good enough for college students.

 

[fskimospy]

What is physically stopping someone from registering in 2 different states?

John Doe lives in Lake Charles Lake, Louisiana.
Company sends John to Beaumont, Texas for a 6 month project
John doe gets and apartment, new Texas drivers license and registers to vote in Texas.
Election rolls around, John votes in Texas, then drives 45 minutes to Lake Charles to vote again.

What is stopping him, nothing. Just don't get caught.

You do realize that interest groups frequently examine voter rolls for evidence of fraud, right?

You really think that enough people have dual residences, motivation, and ability to go through all that (and be willing to risk the commission of a felony) in order to record a single additional vote? Again, in order to justify this law, SHOW SOME EVIDENCE THAT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO PREVENT ACTUALLY OCCURS.

 

[chucky2]

What criteria are you using for 'primary residence', and what reason do you have for thinking that the will of districts are better expressed by people voting in an area they spend only 25% of the year in, as opposed to 75% of the year in?

Then change their primary residence to be the school rather than their house. Or send in an absentee ballot. Pick one.

Chuck

 

[fskimospy]

Cool story bro.

Tell me: How are students having their votes supressed if they file an absentee vote?

Answer: They're not.

So, since they're not having their votes supressed or limited, since we already have an absentee voting system in place, what's the problem again?

Chuck

How are people having their votes suppressed if they have to pass a literacy test? I guess they aren't.

It's a fundamental right, and any sane person should want good reasons to restrict it. If someone isn't registered in their home town when they leave for college, they need to undertake a considerably lengthier process in order to do so, thus it is a barrier to voting.

Give me a reason why this is preferable to what we do now. This will require you to show evidence of a problem that passing this law will address.

 

[Texashiker]

SHOW SOME EVIDENCE THAT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO PREVENT ACTUALLY OCCURS.

You never watched "Gangs of New York" where people are voting, 3, 4, 5+ times?

What more proof do you want? It was in the movie, so it must be happening today.

 

[fskimospy]

Then change their primary residence to be the school rather than their house. Or send in an absentee ballot. Pick one.

Chuck

You didn't answer the question. What you are proposing will cause more people to vote in the 25% than the 75%. Tell us why this is better.

 

[fskimospy]

You never watched "Gangs of New York" where people are voting, 3, 4, 5+ times?

What more proof do you want? It was in the movie, so it must be happening today.

Shit, you got me there. Now that you mention it, I also watched Independence Day about a week ago. Excuse me while I dig my fallout shelter.

(better buy a mac to hack the alien spaceship too, what a terrible time for a product line refresh!)

 

[Ldir]

If the absentee voting system is good enough for people serving in the military and deployed overseas, then it should be good enough for college students.

Fail analogy. If students live in a place most of the year they should be free to vote there. Soldiers aren't going to be voting in Iraqi elections. Absentee ballots are their only choice.

 

[chucky2]

If the absentee voting system is good enough for people serving in the military and deployed overseas, then it should be good enough for college students.

People are up in arms about this because they know college students are in fact at least as lazy as the average American voter (and I'd argue much more so), and they're worried about losing those easily brainwashed votes (professors first, then Media) knowing the super smart college kids aren't going to remember to go file their absentee ballot between partying, smoking weed, drinking, being hung over, sleeping, eating, hanging out, and the occasional scholastic work.

Chuck

 

[rudder]

In what parallel universe do you not live where you go to college? Has the teleporter been invented?

It is a matter of establishing residency. I cannot rent a room for 2 days and all of a sudden say I live in Chicago and expect to vote. Most college students maintain their parents address as their permanent residence.

Under normal circumstances a college will not grant an out of state student the in-state rate unless they have established residency. This usually requires you to live in the state for say 6 months while not attending school. Again, I cannot rent a room for 2 days and all of a sudden expect to be granted in-state tuition.

 

[nageov3t]

Fail analogy. If students live in a place most of the year they should be free to vote there. Soldiers aren't going to be voting in Iraqi elections. Absentee ballots are their only choice.

if a student considers himself to be a resident of the state, he should change his residency to said state and update his driver's license, voting registration, bank address, etc.

I spent 4 years going to school in PA and even lived off-campus, but NJ was always my "home" that I returned to when school wasn't in session. I never felt disenfranchised by having to vote via mail-in ballot.

 

[chucky2]

How are people having their votes suppressed if they have to pass a literacy test? I guess they aren't.

Eerrrrrr yeah, that has nothing to do with anything being discussed here, however it would be a good idea. It'd stop people who vote for the best BS'r, the one that looks the best, or has the best smile, etc., from actually having their vote mean anything.

It's a fundamental right, and any sane person should want good reasons to restrict it. If someone isn't registered in their home town when they leave for college, they need to undertake a considerably lengthier process in order to do so, thus it is a barrier to voting.

Give me a reason why this is preferable to what we do now. This will require you to show evidence of a problem that passing this law will address.

Then I guess they better make sure they're squared away before leaving for college, if their vote is so important to them; this shouldn't be a problem, since they're college kids, which means they're super F'ing smart. Or, change their primary residence to be their college address, so they'll be good to go locally; again, since they're super F'ing smart college kids, an easy task for them.

Chuck

 

[fskimospy]

It is a matter of establishing residency. I cannot rent a room for 2 days and all of a sudden say I live in Chicago and expect to vote. Most college students maintain their parents address as their permanent residence.

Under normal circumstances a college will not grant an out of state student the in-state rate unless they have established residency. This usually requires you to live in the state for say 6 months while not attending school. Again, I cannot rent a room for 2 days and all of a sudden expect to be granted in-state tuition.

That is to prevent people from cherry picking, a clearly definable problem that required a solution. I'm still waiting to hear what clearly defined problem exists that would make the United States a better place and a more representative democracy by requiring people to vote in a place that they live 1/4 of the year in at most, as opposed to where they live 3/4ths of the time.

Can anyone explain to me how the will of the people is better expressed this way? Anyone?

 

[Texashiker]

knowing the super smart college kids aren't going to remember to go file their absentee ballot between partying, smoking weed, drinking, being hung over, sleeping, eating, hanging out, and the occasional scholastic work.

More like - they are not going to fill out an absentee ballot, because most kids these days do not even know what the post office or what physical mail is.

The modern generation probably knows how to operate their ipod better then a mail box.

I wonder how many of todays generation have ever mailed a physical letter? And I mean sit down, paper and pen, fill something out, put a stamp on the letter and put it in the mail.

I am willing to bet that snail mail is foreign to todays digital generation. And that in itself would hinder the digital generation from absentee voting.

 

[fskimospy]

Eerrrrrr yeah, that has nothing to do with anything being discussed here, however it would be a good idea. It'd stop people who vote for the best BS'r, the one that looks the best, or has the best smile, etc., from actually having their vote mean anything.

Hahaha, nice to see you endorsing literacy tests. That's all the evidence anyone should need as to how well considered your position is.

Then I guess they better make sure they're squared away before leaving for college, if their vote is so important to them; this shouldn't be a problem, since they're college kids, which means they're super F'ing smart. Or, change their primary residence to be their college address, so they'll be good to go locally; again, since they're super F'ing smart college kids, an easy task for them.

Chuck

I'm glad to see that you're still completely unable to offer any rational reason for why your way of doing thing is superior to what we do now other than 'if they're so smart they should do it!'. I asked you an extremely simple question, why is it so hard for you to answer?

 

[jhbball]

Eerrrrrr yeah, that has nothing to do with anything being discussed here, however it would be a good idea. It'd stop people who vote for the best BS'r, the one that looks the best, or has the best smile, etc., from actually having their vote mean anything.



Then I guess they better make sure they're squared away before leaving for college, if their vote is so important to them; this shouldn't be a problem, since they're college kids, which means they're super F'ing smart. Or, change their primary residence to be their college address, so they'll be good to go locally; again, since they're super F'ing smart college kids, an easy task for them.

Chuck

Awwww, someone didn't go to college

 

[chucky2]

You didn't answer the question. What you are proposing will cause more people to vote in the 25% than the 75%. Tell us why this is better.

You haven't answered why they can't send in an absentee ballot. Why is that again?

As for your strawman question, even though it's meaningless, perhaps because after they graduate, the vast majority will be long gone from those locales, and won't give a sh1t what effects their college brained voting decisions wrought upon the locals there who do actually live there year round and long term. If I was a local who lived in an college town area my whole life, who would continue to live there my whole life, what total F'ing idiot would want some F'ing drunk and high dumbsh1t spending mommy and daddy's money, who will live there typically 4-5 years and then leave forever, to cast a vote in a local election after he heard from his drunk and high friends that they heard from the drunk and high wookie on campus handing out <insert politician> flyers to vote for that politician because "he F'ing rocks!!! Rrraaagghhh!!!"???

Answer: You'd have to be a moron of epic proportions to even consider that a good idea.

Either these super responsible and smart college kids can get some skin in the voting game by changing their primary address to their college address, which will allow them to vote locally during election time, or, and this is radical, and, highly difficult for college kids to a high and drunk man will all profess themselves to be the smartest motherF'rs out there, they can use the system already in place for people voting remotely which is called sending in an absentee vote.

Shazam!!!! Look at that....all problems solved and Everyone should be happy, a fair system for All.

Chuck