Limiting the voting rights of college students

[chucky2]

More like - they are not going to fill out an absentee ballot, because most kids these days do not even know what the post office or what physical mail is.

The modern generation probably knows how to operate their ipod better then a mail box.

I wonder how many of todays generation have ever mailed a physical letter? And I mean sit down, paper and pen, fill something out, put a stamp on the letter and put it in the mail.

I am willing to bet that snail mail is foreign to todays digital generation. And that in itself would hinder the digital generation from absentee voting.

After going to a local JuCo for 4 years, and then a 4 year for 2 years, trust me on this: The average college kid is so F'ing clueless and manipulatable, they shouldn't be allowed to vote, much less remember that their uber important vote needs to be mailed in via an absentee ballot on time.

 

[fskimospy]

You haven't answered why they can't send in an absentee ballot. Why is that again?

As for your strawman question, even though it's meaningless, perhaps because after they graduate, the vast majority will be long gone from those locales, and won't give a sh1t what effects their college brained voting decisions wrought upon the locals there who do actually live there year round and long term. If I was a local who lived in an college town area my whole life, who would continue to live there my whole life, what total F'ing idiot would want some F'ing drunk and high dumbsh1t spending mommy and daddy's money, who will live there typically 4-5 years and then leave forever, to cast a vote in a local election after he heard from his drunk and high friends that they heard from the drunk and high wookie on campus handing out <insert politician> flyers to vote for that politician because "he F'ing rocks!!! Rrraaagghhh!!!"???

Answer: You'd have to be a moron of epic proportions to even consider that a good idea.

Either these super responsible and smart college kids can get some skin in the voting game by changing their primary address to their college address, which will allow them to vote locally during election time, or, and this is radical, and, highly difficult for college kids to a high and drunk man will all profess themselves to be the smartest motherF'rs out there, they can use the system already in place for people voting remotely which is called sending in an absentee vote.

Shazam!!!! Look at that....all problems solved and Everyone should be happy, a fair system for All.

Chuck

How does someone have any more skin in the game by changing a registration address? The sheer rage and contempt at college educated people coming out of your post is pretty hilarious. Feeling inadequate? I mean you can just see the spittle flying out at the monitor.

So your idea is that people should vote in an area that they don't even live in because they might leave their new area after half a decade. Well that's clearly a well thought out reason to suppress voting! Oh, and something about drunks and wookiees.

So how long should someone have to live in a place before they are permitted to vote? I've moved quite a number of times in my life, if 4-5 years weren't enough time in an area to be deemed deserving of my constitutional right to vote there, I would have only been able to vote where I lived for about 4 years in the last 10. Good plan!

EDIT: Also, go learn what a strawman is.

 

[chucky2]

Hahaha, nice to see you endorsing literacy tests. That's all the evidence anyone should need as to how well considered your position is.

I'd prefer something on the ballot that indicates the person voting for that politician has one iota of clue on who they're voting for. And I'd say that if they can't be that bothered to learn at least something minimally about the candidate, their vote is a poor vote and worthless (and in some cases, damaging).

I'm glad to see that you're still completely unable to offer any rational reason for why your way of doing thing is superior to what we do now other than 'if they're so smart they should do it!'. I asked you an extremely simple question, why is it so hard for you to answer?

It's the same reason why women can vote...someone decided to make the system better. You're the one making the argument that women can't vote...why would I want to defend that?

Chuck

 

[JSt0rm]

Sure. It's like every other large government agency, it works at a loss that the taxpayer makes up for.

That's not a good "works"...

Chuck

So you advocate relying on this broken system? If it is broken we should remove the postal service. We have plenty of private carrier services that can handle this.

 

[fskimospy]

I'd prefer something on the ballot that indicates the person voting for that politician has one iota of clue on who they're voting for. And I'd say that if they can't be that bothered to learn at least something minimally about the candidate, their vote is a poor vote and worthless (and in some cases, damaging).



It's the same reason why women can vote...someone decided to make the system better. You're the one making the argument that women can vote...why would I want to defend that?

Chuck

I'm so glad you've doubled down on a testing requirement for voting. I'm sure those have worked out well in the past, and would work even better in the future.

 

[chucky2]

Awwww, someone didn't go to college

I worked 80 hour (sometimes more) weeks at a startup company that went from negative quarters to (last I heard) $60M a year for profit putting myself, at nightschool, through the JuCo, and then leaving there finished out my 4 year at a 4 year.

I went to college. I just went as someone who wasn't a dumbF typical college student, so when I saw these typical F'ing idiots doing what the typical F'ing idiot college student does, and the typical 'be impressed by me' college professor is, I wasn't brainwashed like the normal 17/18 year old kid entering college.

Forgive me if I'm less than impressed by them, it's just that, as an average, they're absolutely less than impressive.

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

I'm so glad you've doubled down on a testing requirement for voting. I'm sure those have worked out well in the past, and would work even better in the future.

Given our super smart political guys we have running things, and how absolutely these same super smart political guys have totally and completely F'd up about everything they've touched, I'm glad you've finally realized Reality and have come over to my side.

Took you long enough.... :thumbsup:

Chuck

 

[fskimospy]

I worked 80 hour (sometimes more) at a startup company that went from negative quarters to (last I heard) $60M a year for profit putting myself, at nightschool, and then leaving there finished out my 4 year at a 4 year.

I went to college. I just went as someone who wasn't a dumbF typical college student, so when I saw these typical F'ing idiots doing what the typical F'ing idiot college student does, and the typical 'be impressed by me' college professor is, I wasn't brainwashed like the normal 17/18 year old kid entering college.

Forgive me if I'm less than impressed by them, it's just that, as an average, they're absolutely less than impressive.

Chuck

'Damm kids these days!!! *shakes fist from the porch*'

 

[fskimospy]

Given our super smart political guys we have running things, and how absolutely these same super smart political guys have totally and completely F'd up about everything they've touched, I'm glad you've finally realized Reality and have come over to my side.

Took you long enough.... :thumbsup:

Chuck

You might want to go back to college, it seems like you missed a history lesson or two.

 

[chucky2]

So you advocate relying on this broken system? If it is broken we should remove the postal service. We have plenty of private carrier services that can handle this.

I'd really rather we come up with an electronic voting system for each locale, that handles local, county, state, and federal voting. Again, it's 2011...time to get onboard with the times...

Chuck

 

[classy]

This should not be a surprise. The GOP is unpopular with young people.

 

[chucky2]

You might want to go back to college, it seems like you missed a history lesson or two.

Why would I want to go listen to people who don't do tell me about things that aren't used in Reality as if they have any concept of what Reality is? No thanks, I'll keep making money out here in Reality, without paying the Uni obscene amounts of money to pay pie in the sky professors to each me things that will be 80% useless, 10% irrelevant, and 7% superceeded by the time I'd get a job after graduating their program.

College is OK for static subjects, for anything that moves, it's a waste and should be replaced by something better. You seem to be impressed by Uni, why is that?

Chuck

 

[jonks]

If I was a local who lived in an college town area my whole life, who would continue to live there my whole life, what total F'ing idiot would want some F'ing drunk and high dumbsh1t spending mommy and daddy's money, who will live there typically 4-5 years and then leave forever, to cast a vote in a local election after he heard from his drunk and high friends that they heard from the drunk and high wookie on campus handing out <insert politician> flyers to vote for that politician because "he F'ing rocks!!! Rrraaagghhh!!!"???

Answer: You'd have to be a moron of epic proportions to even consider that a good idea.

Wow, this is some serious hostility for higher education, might want to talk to someone about that. Did everything you learn about college come from movies in the 90s about spring break? Any college student conscientious enough to actually vote (I sure wasn't) is probably likely to make a very well informed decision.

Or is this about Mary Sue punking you in front of her sorority sisters when you asked her out and she gave you the old "at 9 on the 9" routine and you got all wet when the sprinklers came on? It's ok, we've been there. But you gotta move on pal.

 

[fskimospy]

Why would I want to go listen to people who don't do tell me about things that aren't used in Reality as if they have any concept of what Reality is? No thanks, I'll keep making money out here in Reality, without paying the Uni obscene amounts of money to pay pie in the sky professors to each me things that will be 80% useless, 10% irrelevant, and 7% superceeded by the time I'd get a job after graduating their program.

College is OK for static subjects, for anything that moves, it's a waste and should be replaced by something better. You seem to be impressed by Uni, why is that?

Chuck

Sounds like you went to a really shitty school.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'd really rather we come up with an electronic voting system for each locale, that handles local, county, state, and federal voting. Again, it's 2011...time to get onboard with the times...

Chuck

Would you really trust our government with something as important as voting? I say we privatize voting completely.

 

[chucky2]

Wow, this is some serious hostility for higher education, might want to talk to someone about that. Did everything you learn about college come from movies in the 90s about spring break? Any college student conscientious enough to actually vote (I sure wasn't) is probably likely to make a very well informed decision.

I don't have a hostility towards someone getting additional education, even at a Uni and/or college. My issue is with the word 'higher'.

Listening to the off the boat and entirely un-understandable Women's Studies teacher about why men are evil for a semester straight, and having to take that class or pick the other class taught by the racist prof about "Minority" Studies, isn't what I consider to be included in the understanding of 'higher' education. However, the average 4 year will have classes exactly like that.

Or English 101, where the college charges you (or, if you're the average college kid, charges your mom and dad) a few hundred a credit hour for a 3 hour class on how to write, which, is exactly what you just spent your entire high school experience allegedly learning.

So, because these Uni's are in fact Financial Org's whose sole desire is $$$$$, and not acedemic achievment, what ends up happening is 1/2 of the classes are BS, and/or, BS-easy, so Little Johnny/MarySue breeze through making a C average with as little mental effort as not p1ssing all over your shoes at a urinal. I don't blame the Uni's, they really can't loose on the $$$, and it's not their fault that the gradeschool and highschools, along with the kids parents, have completely failed them making them incapable of actually being able to handle a real Uni load.

Or is this about Mary Sue punking you in front of her sorority sisters when you asked her out and she gave you the old "at 9 on the 9" routine and you got all wet when the sprinklers came on? It's ok, we've been there. But you gotta move on pal.

Nah, I was fine with that, made for a great time going into the bar...it was when she got all mad at me for sticking it into the wrong hole...it was dark, how was I supposed to see?!?!

Chuck

 

[Jaskalas]

In what parallel universe do you not live where you go to college? Has the teleporter been invented?

You're right. Crossing state line is SO terribly difficult. Sorry for imagining such an impossible thing.

 

[chucky2]

Would you really trust our government with something as important as voting? I say we privatize voting completely.

I know you're F'ing with me, but, seriously, a proper voting system is something I see the Fed Gov actually having a legit role in administering. Granted, they won't be building the machines, or likely even designing them...but they could lead the way to bring us into the 21st century.

Even better, if it can be proved to work out here, I see it as something the US could in fact provide to other countries. Just think how beneficial a UN monitored, US supplied, satellite voting system would be in countries in Africa, the ME, etc.? It'd be a very good positive for World publicity...

Chuck

 

[JSt0rm]

I know you're F'ing with me, but, seriously, a proper voting system is something I see the Fed Gov actually having a legit role in administering. Granted, they won't be building the machines, or likely even designing them...but they could lead the way to bring us into the 21st century.

Now's not the time to be spending money, sorry.

 

[chucky2]

Sounds like you went to a really shitty school.

I wouldn't describe it as total suck, but, admittedly, close to it: SIU, at Carbondale (and remove the Party School stigma, it's not 'all that' by far). Thing is, I messed up when I went to the JuCo by doing an Associate of Applied Science. What happens is, since it's Applied, at least when I went, none of the state schools except SIU would recognize the AAS as having done 2 years. So, even though I wanted into UofI in Urbana, was accepted, etc., they would have essentially had me as a super Freshman, starting Sophmore year.

That was just too much to swallow at the time, especially in light of it wasn't the major track classes I was not a Junior level in, it was all the BS other classes - hence the mistake of doing an AAS instead of a AA or AS.

SIUC though had (maybe still has?) a "Capstone" program where they recognized the AAS and started me off as a Junior. So, there I went...

...but that was me. I went to many parties/events at other 4 years (including UofI), and seeing what I saw there, seeing what I see from fresh college grad's, tells me all I really need to know.

If they can't handle a residence change, or more appropriately in their case an absentee ballot, then they really didn't want their vote to count in the first place.

Chuck

 

[nonlnear]

It is a matter of establishing residency. I cannot rent a room for 2 days and all of a sudden say I live in Chicago and expect to vote. Most college students maintain their parents address as their permanent residence.

Actually you can declare yourself as a DC resident, and retroacticely change your residency to Chicago not only in order to vote there, but to run for mayor too.

 

[boomerang]

This whole thread is much ado about nothing. The usual suspects are involved and are extremely concerned that a liberal voting block might have to fill out a form and mail it instead of voting in person.

On second thought, several states were able to utilize a loophole in existing law to basically deny servicemen and women stationed overseas from voting so maybe their concern is justified. In states with a Republic SOS, the same type of shenanigans could be "utilized". Tit for tat.

 

[chucky2]

Now's not the time to be spending money, sorry.

It's cool, just cut Unemployment back to less than 99 weeks. Problem solved!

 

[jonks]

Or English 101, where the college charges you (or, if you're the average college kid, charges your mom and dad) a few hundred a credit hour for a 3 hour class on how to write, which, is exactly what you just spent your entire high school experience allegedly learning.

Just as there is a difference in the quality of 8th grade english vs 12th grade english (or there should be), there actually is more to learn about writing, reading and literature beyond the high school level.

Of course all classes are what you make of them, that has little to do with whether it's college, high school, a yoga class at the gym or a language class you take at the Y. Given your position on literacy tests it sounds like you coasted through AmHis2.

It's cool that you worked your way though school. I paid for my legal education. But that doesn't make me somehow superior to someone who was from a wealthier family that could afford to pay. It certainly doesn't make me a better lawyer than them or give me a better understanding of what you call Reality. You sound like you think it does.

 

[chucky2]

Just as there is a difference in the quality of 8th grade english vs 12th grade english (or there should be), there actually is more to learn about writing, reading and literature beyond the high school level.

Yes, I know...but Eng 101 is a joke. Eng 102 is less of a joke. See below...

Of course all classes are what you make of them, that has little to do with whether it's college, high school, a yoga class at the gym or a language class you take at the Y. Given your position on literacy tests it sounds like you coasted through AmHis2.

The problem is not the number of the class, but, the content of the class. The dumbing down of gradeschool and highschool has forced - or enabled, whichever is debatable - a dumbing down of the Uni's too. The average Uni class is passable by anyone, whether it's their major or not, showing up and turning in half-@ssed homework, half-@ssed studying (if any) for the tests, and getting a low C. How is that even allowed? I realize at the top Uni's, and in harder programs, this is not the situation at all. The problem is, they're not a large &#37; of the average Uni student body to skew the 'goodness' of the average Uni education back to the "worth it in Reality" side. The only reason Uni educations are worth it, is because of business wanting a college degree. If every business in the US took that requirement away, how many as a % of kids - without taking the partying and getting away from the parents into account - would actually elect to go to college? My bet is a massive % would elect not to, save the $80k-$120K, and just go get a job.

It's cool that you worked your way though school. I paid for my legal education. But that doesn't make me somehow superior to someone who was from a wealthier family that could afford to pay. It certainly doesn't make me a better lawyer than them or give me a better understanding of what you call Reality. You sound like you think it does.

I don't consider myself superior to anyone that actually went and applied themselves at college, regardless of who paid for it. I might, after I graduated the 4 year, consider myself more well rounded than my younger peer who seriously applied theirself but who went to college right out of high school, but I'd never consider myself superior. Who I would consider myself superior to is some kid who went to college out of high school, didn't apply themselves, C'd their way through some average program, learned absolutely nothing, ran up mom and dad's home equity mortgage, graduates, has no F'ing clue what they want to really do with their life, has zero skills other than other being able to drink, get high, party, get suckered into whatever bleeding heart cause some bleeding heart is suckering them into, etc. etc. etc.

That person makes up a very disturbing % of college graduates, enough so IMO that considering the average college graduate to posses some "higher knowledge" vs. someone who went and got a 2 year and has been working in the Real World for the other two, is a sick joke.

Chuck

P.S. I got the AmHist reference...I realize having literacy tests is Pandora's Box, but really, counting votes from someone who likes the POTUS candidate because he looks good? Because he has a nice smile? We want the POTUS to be determined by votes like that?