Limbaugh was a victim of excessive profit motive . . .

[DragonMasterAlex]

Well, while I don't agree with Rush on many issues, I can't say I think he's a dishonest person. He actually strikes me as probably the single most honest person in ALL of broadcasting, and he has a smart, professional style that obviously works well for him.

Rather, I suspect that his intense personality type is precisely what lead him to become addicted to the drugs in the the first place. People like Rush tend to go "all the way" with things, which is why they have to be *very* careful with things that can be addictive and dangerous such as drugs of any kind, political power or, God forbid, church.

So, I don't think he's a liar, just a victim of his own intense personality.

Now on the busting of users side of the discussion, I think it's a GREAT idea. I'd say from now on, send people to the electric chair for any form of possession at all, if defeating drugs is *really* your goal. If you scare people to death about using them, the supply will disappear. No demand *guarantees* the supply will shrivel up.

That said, I think the war on drugs is moronic at best. Legalize them for adults 21 and over, and those who die, die. We don't need those morons in the gene pool anyway.

Jason

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: nutxo
This is the first time in my life I have heard of authorities targeting the buyer instead of supplier.

Yeah the lying scumbag will be the first user to ever go to jail for using. Most of the time when some one gets busted for using it doesn't make the news but because limbaugh is a public figure without any real power it makes the news.

Id would like to know what Rush lied about, he sure seems to get yalls panties in a bunch.

I think its hilarious they are trying to prosecute Rush. I think they had better hope they nail him. If I were him I would use every available resource to destroy the prosecutor after I was found innocent.

Why would he be found innocent he already said he was in possion of drugs he wasn't prescribed. Chances are he will plead guilty to get a lesser sentence then whine on the radio how he was unfairly treated.

 

[DealMonkey]

Well, there's a criminal investigation into whether Rush broke the law or not, so I will reserve my final opinion for when or if they file charges against Rush. I don't believe Rush should be given special privledges if he is found to have broken the laws of Florida. Doctor-shopping is against the law. Possession and use of Oxycontin without a prescription is also illegal. On what basis should Rush be above the law?

Comparing Rush to Ted Kennedy or Brett Farve won't make the possible charges go away, nor does it make Rush look better by comparison, but it makes for a great diversion. Way to go.

 

[Crazee]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I don't see the relevance . . . were the Kennedy's overcharged for their coke?

Maybe we should ask President Bush if his supplier gave him a good rate?

Relevance? I dunno - people wanted info - I provided what I knew about and found links for them.

Makes little difference in the Limbaugh case though. However I will make one comment about abusing prescription pain pills. A certain professional athlete was once addicted to the same/similar drugs as Rush was. That athlete is still a considered a good rolemodel for the youth of America by some and infact he will is arguably one of the best to play the game. If you watched ABC last night you would have seen him play one of his best games ever. Now, again - none of this excuses what both of these people did - abuse prescription drugs, but it also doesn't make them worse than you or me.

CkG

PS for those across the pond and/or those who are sports impaired - the athlete above was in reference to Brett Farve of the Green Bay Packers. WOOT - Go Pack!

Big difference between Brett Favre and Rush. Brett abused prescription drugs with a prescription. Rush is accused of acquiring the drugs illegally.

Actually your assertion isn't entirely accurate. Rush and Farve both did have prescriptions for the meds - Both got hooked, and I can say with 99% certainty that Farve did not obtain all his meds legally Was Brett charged or even investigated? Not to my knowledge.

CkG

Well if we really want to get to accuracy on assertions, lets really compare the Favre and Rush situations. Favre at his worst has admitted to 13 tabs a day addiction to Vicodin. Rush has admitted to a 30/day addiction to Oxycontin a far more powerful drug. It is called synthetic morphine.

I am sure that you and Brett must be close to know with 99% certainty that he did not obtain all his meds legally. I find it interesting that he would have to obtain them illegally when a Doctor never refused writing him a prescription.

Besides as you told me in another thread, please save the diversions, this is a thread about Rush

No, there was an analogy to specific cases of prescription drug abuse and it stuck to the topic - not a diversion to change the taget of criticism(which I stated). However if you want to debate the legality of the prescriptions - fine, but they both were prescribed meds, both got hooked, and both did not obtain them legitimately. Whether or not Farve got prescriptions for all of them doesn't mean that they were prescribed legitimately either, however - it may limit his legal liability. The "powerfulness" of the prescription drug is meaningless in this discussion because they were both prescribed, originally for legitimate reasons. Both abused them - both have taken full responsibility for doing so.

CkG

Again, not entirely accurate assertions. You keep saying that he obtained them illegally. If a Doctor has prescribed them it is legal. It may not be moral, it may be a violation of the law by the doctor, however as far as Brett Favre is concerned he did not go out and have his housekeeper score him some pills. So your statement that they both obtained them illegally is not correct. Also, Brett took responsibility without having someone "allegedly" threaten to blackmail him. So the analogy is flawed.

 

[DealMonkey]

UPDATE: Judge orders Limbaugh's medical records released

WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- A Florida judge Tuesday ordered radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh's medical records released to prosecutors in connection with an investigation into his prescription drug purchases.

But Judge Jeffrey Winikoff ordered prosecutors to keep the conservative commentator's records under wraps while they conduct their investigation.

The ruling came a day after an attorney for Limbaugh charged that the conservative talk show host was being blackmailed by the Florida couple whose allegations triggered an ongoing investigation into his purchases of painkillers.

Limbaugh in October admitted being addicted to prescription painkillers and spent five weeks in a drug-rehabilitation clinic after his former housekeeper disclosed his habit to a supermarket tabloid.

Prosecutors are investigating whether Limbaugh obtained and used prescription painkillers illegally and want the records opened. Limbaugh has insisted he has done nothing illegal, and no charges have yet been filed against Limbaugh.

"The state has clearly demonstrated the relevance or nexus between seizing Mr. Limbaugh's medical records and this ongoing criminal investigation," Winikoff said in his Tuesday ruling.

According to court documents, the investigation centers on whether Limbaugh engaged in "doctor shopping" -- getting multiple prescriptions from several doctors that he could not have received from just one. Such an offense is a felony under Florida law.

Investigators say Limbaugh obtained about 2,000 pills during five months, sometimes getting multiple prescriptions less than a month apart, according to court documents.

<snip...>

 

[DoubleL]

Jumps on Teddy's back about many things as he is scum but I never heard about the coke. Got a Link??

You live under a rock, He was censored by the senate and said he was sorry when he was put back in the senate, It was so small it didn't even make a link, Having coke shipped through the US mail is small for him, I was looking into the Rush thing and you don't have to be very smart to see what is going on, Here comes the train

 

[Zebo]

Why ar'nt those two in jail? Blackmail and extorsion is illegal I thought? Or is this another lie by Limbaugh?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I don't see the relevance . . . were the Kennedy's overcharged for their coke?

Maybe we should ask President Bush if his supplier gave him a good rate?

Relevance? I dunno - people wanted info - I provided what I knew about and found links for them.

Makes little difference in the Limbaugh case though. However I will make one comment about abusing prescription pain pills. A certain professional athlete was once addicted to the same/similar drugs as Rush was. That athlete is still a considered a good rolemodel for the youth of America by some and infact he will is arguably one of the best to play the game. If you watched ABC last night you would have seen him play one of his best games ever. Now, again - none of this excuses what both of these people did - abuse prescription drugs, but it also doesn't make them worse than you or me.

CkG

PS for those across the pond and/or those who are sports impaired - the athlete above was in reference to Brett Farve of the Green Bay Packers. WOOT - Go Pack!

Big difference between Brett Favre and Rush. Brett abused prescription drugs with a prescription. Rush is accused of acquiring the drugs illegally.

Actually your assertion isn't entirely accurate. Rush and Farve both did have prescriptions for the meds - Both got hooked, and I can say with 99% certainty that Farve did not obtain all his meds legally Was Brett charged or even investigated? Not to my knowledge.

CkG

Well if we really want to get to accuracy on assertions, lets really compare the Favre and Rush situations. Favre at his worst has admitted to 13 tabs a day addiction to Vicodin. Rush has admitted to a 30/day addiction to Oxycontin a far more powerful drug. It is called synthetic morphine.

I am sure that you and Brett must be close to know with 99% certainty that he did not obtain all his meds legally. I find it interesting that he would have to obtain them illegally when a Doctor never refused writing him a prescription.

Besides as you told me in another thread, please save the diversions, this is a thread about Rush

No, there was an analogy to specific cases of prescription drug abuse and it stuck to the topic - not a diversion to change the taget of criticism(which I stated). However if you want to debate the legality of the prescriptions - fine, but they both were prescribed meds, both got hooked, and both did not obtain them legitimately. Whether or not Farve got prescriptions for all of them doesn't mean that they were prescribed legitimately either, however - it may limit his legal liability. The "powerfulness" of the prescription drug is meaningless in this discussion because they were both prescribed, originally for legitimate reasons. Both abused them - both have taken full responsibility for doing so.

CkG

Again, not entirely accurate assertions. You keep saying that he obtained them illegally. If a Doctor has prescribed them it is legal. It may not be moral, it may be a violation of the law by the doctor, however as far as Brett Favre is concerned he did not go out and have his housekeeper score him some pills. So your statement that they both obtained them illegally is not correct. Also, Brett took responsibility without having someone "allegedly" threaten to blackmail him. So the analogy is flawed.

Whatever - keep trying to pick it apart but it holds as similar comparison. PLUS you assert that Farve wasn't "blackmailed"...well while there may not have been direct blackmail - his wife did threaten to leave(many times and gave him an ultimatum)...and we all know what that means - $$$ So yes, the Farve/Rush comparison holds. Both are celebrities who had a drug problem and both did not get their drugs legitimately like I said. If he(Farve) asked for the drugs and the doctors prescribed them willingly - Brett knew it was not legitimate. Don't kid yourself - Brett knew what he was doing and he knew it was wrong.
Plus YOU nor the press know the real story about what may or may not have happened between Rush and his "scoring" of the pills. You have alot of assumptions and extrapolations but nothing that backs anything up. I hate conspiracies theories but for everything that has been thrown at Rush lately - I wouldn't be suprised if what he and attourney said today was true - fishing expidition. We shall see where this goes but remember - if they can get Rush's medical records - they can get yours.

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Whatever - keep trying to pick it apart but it holds as similar comparison. PLUS you assert that Farve wasn't "blackmailed"...well while there may not have been direct blackmail - his wife did threaten to leave(many times and gave him an ultimatum)...and we all know what that means - $$$ So yes, the Farve/Rush comparison holds. Both are celebrities who had a drug problem and both did not get their drugs legitimately like I said. If he(Farve) asked for the drugs and the doctors prescribed them willingly - Brett knew it was not legitimate. Don't kid yourself - Brett knew what he was doing and he knew it was wrong.
Plus YOU nor the press know the real story about what may or may not have happened between Rush and his "scoring" of the pills. You have alot of assumptions and extrapolations but nothing that backs anything up. I hate conspiracies theories but for everything that has been thrown at Rush lately - I wouldn't be suprised if what he and attourney said today was true - fishing expidition. We shall see where this goes but remember - if they can get Rush's medical records - they can get yours.

CkG

Whatever yourself Cad, you just keep on going with the distractions. You're like the robotic energizer deflecto-bunny. Can't you stick to the topic for once? Who cares what Farve did or didn't do? Besides, there was obviously enough evidence of wrong-doing on Rush's part to open a criminal investigation. There was also sufficient cause for a judge to unseal his medical records for the prosecutors. But sure, keep claiming it's all a vast left-wing conspiracy. They're all out to "get" Rush, aren't they? Do you have your tinfoil hat on?

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: DoubleL
Humm let me see, Rush was getting pain killers from a drug dealer and then she tried to blackmail him and Rush is the one that is in trouble, I must be missing something here, You just have to laugh at the left,

Limbaugh says it was blackmail, the maid says he was paying them hush money to keep quiet, Limbaugh supposely had this addiction for 5 years and he never once mentioned it. Rush is unfit to be the spokesman of the conservative movement, somebody better needs to come along.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Whatever - keep trying to pick it apart but it holds as similar comparison. PLUS you assert that Farve wasn't "blackmailed"...well while there may not have been direct blackmail - his wife did threaten to leave(many times and gave him an ultimatum)...and we all know what that means - $$$ So yes, the Farve/Rush comparison holds. Both are celebrities who had a drug problem and both did not get their drugs legitimately like I said. If he(Farve) asked for the drugs and the doctors prescribed them willingly - Brett knew it was not legitimate. Don't kid yourself - Brett knew what he was doing and he knew it was wrong.
Plus YOU nor the press know the real story about what may or may not have happened between Rush and his "scoring" of the pills. You have alot of assumptions and extrapolations but nothing that backs anything up. I hate conspiracies theories but for everything that has been thrown at Rush lately - I wouldn't be suprised if what he and attourney said today was true - fishing expidition. We shall see where this goes but remember - if they can get Rush's medical records - they can get yours.

CkG

Whatever yourself Cad, you just keep on going with the distractions. You're like the robotic energizer deflecto-bunny. Can't you stick to the topic for once? Who cares what Farve did or didn't do? Besides, there was obviously enough evidence of wrong-doing on Rush's part to open a criminal investigation. There was also sufficient cause for a judge to unseal his medical records for the prosecutors. But sure, keep claiming it's all a vast left-wing conspiracy. They're all out to "get" Rush, aren't they? Do you have your tinfoil hat on?

No - I made a comment and then someone tried to make a big deal about it. It was an observation which holds water. Get over it. Like I said - It doesn't absolve either of what they did...but I guess we'll just overlook that fact and whine and yip about CkG.

Enough evidence to open a criminal investigation?
If you'd learn to read what I say instead of just assuming what i'm going to say you'd have seen that I said this: " I hate conspiracies theories but for everything that has been thrown at Rush lately - I wouldn't be suprised if what he and attourney said today was true - fishing expidition. We shall see where this goes but remember - if they can get Rush's medical records - they can get yours."

Bleat on though...Rush must be a big prize if people are trying this hard to condemn him before he's even accused/charged with a crime.

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: NightCrawler

Originally posted by: DoubleL
Humm let me see, Rush was getting pain killers from a drug dealer and then she tried to blackmail him and Rush is the one that is in trouble, I must be missing something here, You just have to laugh at the left,

Limbaugh says it was blackmail, the maid says he was paying them hush money to keep quiet, Limbaugh supposely had this addiction for 5 years and he never once mentioned it. Rush is unfit to be the spokesman of the conservative movement, somebody better needs to come along.

Since when did being a drunk or a drug addict disqualify someone from being a spokesperson for a Political Movement?

 

[Bitdog]

DoubleL quote:
I am not a rich man but do have to live in pain eveyday from two rounds from a AK-47, Now would I break the law and buy pain killers if it took the pain away, In a heartbeat
---------------------
Ok, that seems reasonable. No man should harm you in that persuit.
If there is a problem, others should offer help as a cure.
But that's not our governments policy, or Rush's.
As head of a legal hate group on national radio Rush says that drug users should be hunted down and sent up the river.
Hunted down, as in zero tollerance drug laws.
Up the river, as in jailed at the expence of the tax payer for long periods of time
and in many cases, petty criminals join the million dollar club,
where the tax payer has paid over a million dollars to arrest/convict/jail a person that they didn't need to.
A person like you maybe.
If Rush supports the drug war, shouldn't he be punished by the drug war he supports ?
Absolutely YES.
If anybody should be arrested and jailed it should be Rush.
But it appears that those who were in Rush's hate group have complete forgiveness for his criminal drug abuse.
And with BushCo being in power & Rush being his rampant spokesperson (kinda, republican any way)
I believe there is a good chance that Rush will be treated as ABOVE THE LAW.
Just like corrupt cops are, and most are.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: NightCrawler

Originally posted by: DoubleL
Humm let me see, Rush was getting pain killers from a drug dealer and then she tried to blackmail him and Rush is the one that is in trouble, I must be missing something here, You just have to laugh at the left,

Limbaugh says it was blackmail, the maid says he was paying them hush money to keep quiet, Limbaugh supposely had this addiction for 5 years and he never once mentioned it. Rush is unfit to be the spokesman of the conservative movement, somebody better needs to come along.

Apparently is must be hush $$$. She never said anything about it. Only when the information was being aired that he came out with this story. Why not many years ago. Only when he was exposed and not by the maid.

 

[Crazee]

Whatever - keep trying to pick it apart but it holds as similar comparison. PLUS you assert that Farve wasn't "blackmailed"...well while there may not have been direct blackmail - his wife did threaten to leave(many times and gave him an ultimatum)...and we all know what that means - $$$ So yes, the Farve/Rush comparison holds. Both are celebrities who had a drug problem and both did not get their drugs legitimately like I said. If he(Farve) asked for the drugs and the doctors prescribed them willingly - Brett knew it was not legitimate. Don't kid yourself - Brett knew what he was doing and he knew it was wrong.
Plus YOU nor the press know the real story about what may or may not have happened between Rush and his "scoring" of the pills. You have alot of assumptions and extrapolations but nothing that backs anything up. I hate conspiracies theories but for everything that has been thrown at Rush lately - I wouldn't be suprised if what he and attourney said today was true - fishing expidition. We shall see where this goes but remember - if they can get Rush's medical records - they can get yours.

CkG

First - I love how you said I have made assumptions about Rush when I stated in this very thread "Rush is accused of acquiring the drugs illegally." I also stated that it was alleged blackmail that cause Rush to come forward.

You are the one who has made assumptions about Favre. You stated that you were 99% sure when you didn't have a shread of evidence. Please show me evidence that Favre violated the law. Please one piece of evidence. You can't and you won't. You just try to tie the two together as some way to mitigate the accusations that Rush is facing. I never said Brett didn't know what he was doing was wrong, but there is a difference between doing some wrong and doing something illegal

There is a huge difference between a loved one threatening to leave you and a maid threatening to blow the whistle. For you to bring up that the motivation for him staying with her was money is crass and repulsive. You know neither Brett Favre or his wife and to insult them in that matter is poor taste.

Another big difference between Brett and Rush is that Brett has never held himself up as a paragon of virtue and right. He has said he is a flawed human being who has made mistakes all along. Rush didn't start becoming humble till the poop hit the fan.

Oh and if I stand accused of committing a crime involving drugs....they can have my records I wouldn't fight it because I have nothing to hide.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
If you'd learn to read what I say instead of just assuming what i'm going to say you'd have seen that I said this: " I hate conspiracies theories but for everything that has been thrown at Rush lately - I wouldn't be suprised if what he and attourney said today was true - fishing expidition. We shall see where this goes but remember - if they can get Rush's medical records - they can get yours."

Translation: I hate conspiracy theories when those from the other side of the aisle use them, but it's OK when I do. Rush is caught red-handed with assloads of oxycontin pills and yet the prosecutors requesting to review his medical records are simply fishing. Sure. Oooh, then the scare tactic: They can get your medical records too! Somehow I would expect a criminal investigation into doctor shopping and illegal possession of prescription drugs would lead to a review of the relevant medical records. But hey, that's just me - I would find a prosecutor remiss if he didn't request the records.

Bleat on though...Rush must be a big prize if people are trying this hard to condemn him before he's even accused/charged with a crime.

Right, it's all a liberal conspiracy to take down Rush. Yup. They're all out to get him. You got your tinfoil hat on too tight now?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Crazee

Whatever - keep trying to pick it apart but it holds as similar comparison. PLUS you assert that Farve wasn't "blackmailed"...well while there may not have been direct blackmail - his wife did threaten to leave(many times and gave him an ultimatum)...and we all know what that means - $$$ So yes, the Farve/Rush comparison holds. Both are celebrities who had a drug problem and both did not get their drugs legitimately like I said. If he(Farve) asked for the drugs and the doctors prescribed them willingly - Brett knew it was not legitimate. Don't kid yourself - Brett knew what he was doing and he knew it was wrong.
Plus YOU nor the press know the real story about what may or may not have happened between Rush and his "scoring" of the pills. You have alot of assumptions and extrapolations but nothing that backs anything up. I hate conspiracies theories but for everything that has been thrown at Rush lately - I wouldn't be suprised if what he and attourney said today was true - fishing expidition. We shall see where this goes but remember - if they can get Rush's medical records - they can get yours.

CkG

First - I love how you said I have made assumptions about Rush when I stated in this very thread "Rush is accused of acquiring the drugs illegally." I also stated that it was alleged blackmail that cause Rush to come forward.

You are the one who has made assumptions about Favre. You stated that you were 99% sure when you didn't have a shread of evidence. Please show me evidence that Favre violated the law. Please one piece of evidence. You can't and you won't. You just try to tie the two together as some way to mitigate the accusations that Rush is facing. I never said Brett didn't know what he was doing was wrong, but there is a difference between doing some wrong and doing something illegal

There is a huge difference between a loved one threatening to leave you and a maid threatening to blow the whistle. For you to bring up that the motivation for him staying with her was money is crass and repulsive. You know neither Brett Favre or his wife and to insult them in that matter is poor taste.

Another big difference between Brett and Rush is that Brett has never held himself up as a paragon of virtue and right. He has said he is a flawed human being who has made mistakes all along. Rush didn't start becoming humble till the poop hit the fan.

Oh and if I stand accused of committing a crime involving drugs....they can have my records I wouldn't fight it because I have nothing to hide.

READ - "However if you want to debate the legality of the prescriptions - fine, but they both were prescribed meds, both got hooked, and both did not obtain them legitimately. Whether or not Farve got prescriptions for all of them doesn't mean that they were prescribed legitimately either, however - it may limit his legal liability."

Keep trying to pick it apart if you wish but the comments hold as originally stated.

"Makes little difference in the Limbaugh case though. However I will make one comment about abusing prescription pain pills. A certain professional athlete was once addicted to the same/similar drugs as Rush was. That athlete is still a considered a good rolemodel for the youth of America by some and infact he will is arguably one of the best to play the game. If you watched ABC last night you would have seen him play one of his best games ever. Now, again - none of this excuses what both of these people did - abuse prescription drugs, but it also doesn't make them worse than you or me."

No - it might not have been $$ blackmail but it was blackmail - the emotional kind(but it would in the end mean $$$). To say otherwise would be ignoring reality.
And this idea that "if he has nothing to hide" is BS. Rush has stated that his medical records will show that he did not "doctor shop", but why should his private records be confiscated to prove his innocence? Is speculation enough these days? I thought people here were against oppressive and intrusive gov't? ...I guess they are until it suits their needs.

Now, again(for about the millionth time on this subject) -Rush isn't my "hero" - I don't "look up to him", he is just a man who shares alot of the same political principles, morals, and ideals that I do. Do people fail? Yes. Is Rush immune from failure? No. He never claimed he was perfect. What Rush did was wrong, he has taken responsibility for his abuse and has taken steps to correct his problem. Say what you want about him but he did the right thing. Just because someone didn't do it before - doesn't mean that he isn't taking responsibility for it.

CkG

 

[EagleKeeper]

Rush brought this attention upon himself by his act/holier-than-though attitude.

anytime you start pointing fingers from the pulpit, some-one is going to make the extra effort to tear you down. Be it politics/religion/media etc., you become a target to the opposing idea's pitbull.


/edit typos

 

[Fin]

To Bitdog:
______________________________________________________

Ok, that seems reasonable. No man should harm you in that persuit.
If there is a problem, others should offer help as a cure.
But that's not our governments policy, or Rush's.
As head of a legal hate group on national radio Rush says that drug users should be hunted down and sent up the river.
Hunted down, as in zero tollerance drug laws.
Up the river, as in jailed at the expence of the tax payer for long periods of time
and in many cases, petty criminals join the million dollar club,
where the tax payer has paid over a million dollars to arrest/convict/jail a person that they didn't need to.
A person like you maybe.
If Rush supports the drug war, shouldn't he be punished by the drug war he supports ?
Absolutely YES.
If anybody should be arrested and jailed it should be Rush.
But it appears that those who were in Rush's hate group have complete forgiveness for his criminal drug abuse.
And with BushCo being in power & Rush being his rampant spokesperson (kinda, republican any way)
I believe there is a good chance that Rush will be treated as ABOVE THE LAW.
Just like corrupt cops are, and most are.
_____________________________________________________________
I am not a big Rush fan, but likening Rush to a legal hate group is wrong. If convicted, Rush will do the time for illegal drug use. Your attitude of intolerance is a greater problem than Rush's drug addiction. Please deal with your attitude of intolerance first, worry about Rush second.
Merry Christmas,
-Fin

 

[Crazee]

READ - "However if you want to debate the legality of the prescriptions - fine, but they both were prescribed meds, both got hooked, and both did not obtain them legitimately. Whether or not Farve got prescriptions for all of them doesn't mean that they were prescribed legitimately either, however - it may limit his legal liability."

Keep trying to pick it apart if you wish but the comments hold as originally stated.

"Makes little difference in the Limbaugh case though. However I will make one comment about abusing prescription pain pills. A certain professional athlete was once addicted to the same/similar drugs as Rush was. That athlete is still a considered a good rolemodel for the youth of America by some and infact he will is arguably one of the best to play the game. If you watched ABC last night you would have seen him play one of his best games ever. Now, again - none of this excuses what both of these people did - abuse prescription drugs, but it also doesn't make them worse than you or me."

Again this is NOT a valid analogy. One is accused of breaking the law the other is not. You can spin this till you are blue in the face, but it is not a valid analogy.

No - it might not have been $$ blackmail but it was blackmail - the emotional kind(but it would in the end mean $$$). To say otherwise would be ignoring reality.
And this idea that "if he has nothing to hide" is BS. Rush has stated that his medical records will show that he did not "doctor shop", but why should his private records be confiscated to prove his innocence? Is speculation enough these days? I thought people here were against oppressive and intrusive gov't? ...I guess they are until it suits their needs.

Again comparing a loved one's concerns to a maid's possible blackmail is udderly ridiculous. Yes it is comparable that the person who loves you the most in the world would have similar motives to your maid

Again spin it how you like, it is not a valid analogy.

Now, again(for about the millionth time on this subject) -Rush isn't my "hero" - I don't "look up to him", he is just a man who shares alot of the same political principles, morals, and ideals that I do. Do people fail? Yes. Is Rush immune from failure? No. He never claimed he was perfect. What Rush did was wrong, he has taken responsibility for his abuse and has taken steps to correct his problem. Say what you want about him but he did the right thing. Just because someone didn't do it before - doesn't mean that he isn't taking responsibility for it.

First please show me where I ever said Rush is your hero. Me thinks thou dost protest too much. I never have associated you with Rush in anyway. You chose a poor analogy to try to spin away the accusations against Rush and all I have done is point out the flaws in your analogy.

CkG[/quote]

 

[0roo0roo]

you can't compare him to ted kennedy. unlike kennedy he's the one that rants about throwing potheads/druggies in jail and throwing away the key. i think he said something rather cold when jerry garcia died. its called hipocrisy

his own words. he should be held to his own standards. yet his listeners let him right off.

"'When you strip it all away," Rush had said of the Grateful Dead guitarist, "Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks."

"There's nothing good about drug use," he was saying. "We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up

"What this says to me," he told his listeners that day, "is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."

http://www.dodgeglobe.com/stories/100603/opi_1006030020.shtml

 

[Moonbeam]

It would be great to hear him broadcast from prison.

 

[chess9]

Someone will come up with a corrollary to Moore's law, if they haven't already, that goes something like:

"The number of lies, hypocritical judgments, and other verbal stupidities of radio talk show hosts and the Fox Cartoon Network will double every 18 months."

Radio Talk Show Hosts=The bottom of the food chain. The Fox Cartoon Network=indigestable nonsense.

If you're reading the Great Books of the Western World you'll never have the time to sink that low.

Anyway, I feel sorry for poor Rush. Hoist on his own petard as it were. Hope he doesn't have a heart attack from all the stress. On a personal level you know he's going through hell. Maybe he'll play some Dead on one of his shows just to show some respect for the great man and pay his dues. Can he broadcast his show from Raford Correctional Institute?

-Robert

 

[Gaard]

CAD - READ - "However if you want to debate the legality of the prescriptions - fine, but they both were prescribed meds, both got hooked, and both did not obtain them legitimately. Whether or not Farve got prescriptions for all of them doesn't mean that they were prescribed legitimately either, however - it may limit his legal liability."

Keep trying to pick it apart if you wish but the comments hold as originally stated.

No, your original statement was...<<Both got hooked, and I can say with 99% certainty that Farve did not obtain all his meds legally.>>

note the diference here...legal/legitimate


<--- realizes this whole Favre (correct spelling ) debate is off topic, but also realizes CAD will do anything to keep from saying "Yeah, you're right. I was wrong."

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Now, again(for about the millionth time on this subject) -Rush isn't my "hero" - I don't "look up to him", he is just a man who shares alot of the same political principles, morals, and ideals that I do. Do people fail? Yes. Is Rush immune from failure? No. He never claimed he was perfect. What Rush did was wrong, he has taken responsibility for his abuse and has taken steps to correct his problem. Say what you want about him but he did the right thing. Just because someone didn't do it before - doesn't mean that he isn't taking responsibility for it.

CkG

Great, so why are you defending him so feverishly? It's almost like you have something personal at stake. If you really didn't care, you wouldn't be in here desperately trying to counter every accusation against him, now would you?

See, Rush taking personal responsibility isn't the issue here. The issue (for the millionth time) is: Did Rush break the law? And that's what this is all about. It's also about Rush's hypocrisy. How can you respect a man who made such bold and stern statements against drug use and abuse (see OrooOroo's post above), and yet now expects to get off without being charged when he himself allegedly violates the law? According to Rush's own words, if he does the crime, he should do the time.