likely to see "arcade" edition ps3?

[Kromis]

gt5 is out? Cool :thumbsup:

:hmm:

lmfao!

 

[ixelion]

You can play shadow complex and deathspank perfectly fine on the arcade model.

with the older white arcade model you either get a hard drive or get a flash drive(up to 16gb) and use it exclusive for the 360. I believe usb hard drives and sd cards with a usb readers work but don't quote me on that. if they do you're still limited to 16gb per item. and can have up to 32gb.

with the newer black arcade model. you don't need anything. It has 4gb of flash already. It has built in wifi also so you don't have to worry about that.

Well that is certainly good news, I think there are enough good games on the 360, that I would get quite a bit of mileage out of it, I think ultimately I may enjoy the games on the PS3 more, but this is a moot point since I don't want a console bad enough to spend $300+.

A big factor I did not think of is the prices of the individual games I mentioned, some of which may have been bargain bins, while others still be full price, I should factor that into the total cost of buying either console.

 

[Tom]

The Wii is the best console for a pc gamer because it does things that a pc can't. It's also the best console for families, kids, and gamers that are looking for variety.

The xbox 360 arcade is a bargain for $100.

More expensive xbox and ps3 don't make much sense to me. I'm not an expert but I suppose it's possible to pirate games on them, hence the reason for big hard drives and justification for outrageous prices.

I doubt the ps3 will ever be cheap; not because the componentsd are expensive, but because Sony marketing doesn't work that way. That's also why Blu-ray itself will fail, Blu-ray could replace dvds if they didn't cost more, but Sony keeps the price up thereby ensuring it won't be widely adopted.

 

[JackBurton]

The Wii is the best console for a pc gamer because it does things that a pc can't. It's also the best console for families, kids, and gamers that are looking for variety.

The xbox 360 arcade is a bargain for $100.

More expensive xbox and ps3 don't make much sense to me. I'm not an expert but I suppose it's possible to pirate games on them, hence the reason for big hard drives and justification for outrageous prices.

You're right, you're not an expert. The reason for the larger hard drive is NOT for pirating games.

I doubt the ps3 will ever be cheap; not because the componentsd are expensive, but because Sony marketing doesn't work that way. That's also why Blu-ray itself will fail, Blu-ray could replace dvds if they didn't cost more, but Sony keeps the price up thereby ensuring it won't be widely adopted.

Wrong again. Blu-ray is doing better than ever.


Are you people 12 yrs old? How is $299 expensive for a console? You act like we are talking about $5K here.

 

[Malak]

I doubt the ps3 will ever be cheap; not because the componentsd are expensive, but because Sony marketing doesn't work that way. That's also why Blu-ray itself will fail, Blu-ray could replace dvds if they didn't cost more, but Sony keeps the price up thereby ensuring it won't be widely adopted.

The PS3 was sold at a loss. The components are expensive and there is more to a PS3 than an Xbox360, which is why it costs more. Blu-ray has already succeeded, you are absolutely crazy. The entire reason it won the HD war was because it already was widely adopted.

 

[JackBurton]

The PS3 was sold at a loss. The components are expensive and there is more to a PS3 than an Xbox360, which is why it costs more. Blu-ray has already succeeded, you are absolutely crazy. The entire reason it won the HD war was because it already was widely adopted.

Actually, the reason it won was because the studios felt more comfortable with protection on BD (BD+) and the higher capacity of BD compared to HD-DVD....and possibly some under the table payoffs.

 

[ixelion]

I just found out that the new slim arcade is gonna be $199 rather not $150 like the old 360, I can still get the old one for $150 though.

 

[Malak]

Actually, the reason it won was because the studios felt more comfortable with protection on BD (BD+) and the higher capacity of BD compared to HD-DVD....and possibly some under the table payoffs.

No I'm pretty sure it was because only a handful of people had HD-DVD players while 3 million people had Bluray players.

 

[uli2000]

Tell yourself you're spending $150 on the gaming console and $150 on a blu-ray player. Honestly, mine hasn't seen a game in months, just blu-rays and dvds.

 

[JackBurton]

No I'm pretty sure it was because only a handful of people had HD-DVD players while 3 million people had Bluray players.

If you are counting the PS3 as a Blu-ray player, then yes, there were more BD players than HD-DVD players. But again, that was only one part of why the tide shifted toward Blu-ray.

 

[waggy]

I have a PS3 and a wii. i love both. you can't compare the two really.

the PS3 is great because it is my blu-ray player and a good gameing system. Also i can stream vidoe/music/etc from my computer to it.

the added use of my netflix is nice too (though xbox and the wii do it too)

 

[Tom]

You're right, you're not an expert. The reason for the larger hard drive is NOT for pirating games.



Wrong again. Blu-ray is doing better than ever.


Are you people 12 yrs old? How is $299 expensive for a console? You act like we are talking about $5K here.

I know the "official" reasons for a large hard drive, none of which justify the expense.

$299 is expensive, compared to $199, or $100.


Blu-Ray isn't a success, if it was dvds wouldn't be selling at all by now. Last figures I saw Blu-ray has very small market penetration compared to dvds.

 

[xj0hnx]

No I'm pretty sure it was because only a handful of people had HD-DVD players while 3 million people had Bluray players.

Y'all are both right. The shift in distributors and movie studios picking blu-ray, and the introduction of BD in the PS3 were both deciding factors in the outcome of the format war.

 

[xj0hnx]

Blu-Ray isn't a success, if it was dvds wouldn't be selling at all by now. Last figures I saw Blu-ray has very small market penetration compared to dvds.

How do you figure it isn't a "success"? What constitutes a "success" in your book? BD has a market share growth of about 133% vs last years sales, and at no time have sales dipped below previous years at the same time, and sales continue to go up, and spike higher and higher with major studio releases penetrating 20+%. Fact is that DVD was around for a long time, and DVD players are stupid cheap, and integrated into everything. Looking at the fact that they (BD's) haven't dropped prices, and players are now easily affordable, and sales continue to grow, I'd say that's a great indicator that BD is in fact a "success".

 

[Tom]

How do you figure it isn't a "success"? What constitutes a "success" in your book? BD has a market share growth of about 133% vs last years sales, and at no time have sales dipped below previous years at the same time, and sales continue to go up, and spike higher and higher with major studio releases penetrating 20+%. Fact is that DVD was around for a long time, and DVD players are stupid cheap, and integrated into everything. Looking at the fact that they (BD's) haven't dropped prices, and players are now easily affordable, and sales continue to grow, I'd say that's a great indicator that BD is in fact a "success".

Sony predicted 50% market share for Blu-ray by the end of 2008. Instead, 2 years later, it doesn't have 15% of the market.

And the reason is solely Sony marketing which ALWAYS thinks it can milk early adopters a lot longer than what is prudent. There's no reason other than marketing for Blu-ray disks and players to cost any more than dvd disks and players.

 

[JackBurton]

I know the "official" reasons for a large hard drive, none of which justify the expense.

$299 is expensive, compared to $199, or $100.

Get a clue before trying to pretend you know what you are talking about. The $199 XBox 360 S comes with a 4GB flash drive which is a REAL drawback for even the casual gamer. The XBox 360 Arcade is even worse with 512MB of storage. So making the claim that a larger hard drive has something to do with piracy is just borderline retarded.

Blu-Ray isn't a success, if it was dvds wouldn't be selling at all by now. Last figures I saw Blu-ray has very small market penetration compared to dvds.

You're smoking some bad crack, and sounds to me like you have a bad case of sour grapes. Blu-ray IS a success, and the only people that will dispute that are the people in denial. And comparing Blu-ray to DVD's market share and using it as a barometer to measure success is also about as retarded as you get. Nice try though.

 

[BD2003]

yea wtf is he talking about with the prices of games.

I think he's referring to the fact that used games cost a few bucks more on the PS3 than the same game on the 360. Not quite sure why that is, but it seems to be the case from everywhere I've seen.

 

[Tom]

Get a clue before trying to pretend you know what you are talking about. The $199 XBox 360 S comes with a 4GB flash drive which is a REAL drawback for even the casual gamer. The XBox 360 Arcade is even worse with 512MB of storage. So making the claim that a larger hard drive has something to do with piracy is just borderline retarded.



You're smoking some bad crack, and sounds to me like you have a bad case of sour grapes. Blu-ray IS a success, and the only people that will dispute that are the people in denial. And comparing Blu-ray to DVD's market share and using it as a barometer to measure success is also about as retarded as you get. Nice try though.

Hey, I come on here and express my opinion. Your borderline personal attacks say a lot more about where you are coming from than they do about the validity of my opinions.

I didn't compare Blu-ray to dvd, Sony did. Sony doesn't want Blu-ray to be a niche product like laser disks, they want Blu-ray to replace dvds.

As to the xbox claims you make, in what way is having 4gig of memory a "drawback" ? What game cannot be played with 4 gig of memory ?

 

[arredondo]

Sony predicted 50 percent market share for Blu-ray by the end of 2008. Instead, 2 years later, it doesn't have 15 percent of the market.

Link please.

By 2008, the sales of the Blu-ray format was doing ok compared of sales that DVD had its first few years, completely opposite your wild assumption above that Blu was so far behind:

Singulus Technologies mentioned that Blu-ray is being adopted much faster than DVD in its period, 11 years ago. The statement came after the company received orders for producing 21 Blu-ray dual-layer machines only during this year's first quarter.

"This means that the orders for Blu-ray in the first year of the dual layer technology already by far exceeded the volume at the start of the DVD eleven years ago with 17 machines," commented Stefan Baustert, the Chief Financial Officer of Singulus Technologies.

http://www.infoniac.com/hi-tech/blu-ray-is-being-adopted-much-faster-than-dvd.html

Want more? Here, the Blu-ray vs. DVD sales comparison of equal years on the market continued to skew in Blu-ray favor:

Blu-ray Disc promotions group chairman Andy Parsons cited DisplaySearch numbers, claiming that 10.7 million players have sold since the launch of the format. Parsons added that this number doubles DVD’s progress at the same point in the format’s life.

“A lot of people think of DVD as an overnight success, but actually if you look back, we have some data from CEA market research that shows three years into the launch of DVD 5.4 million players had shipped into the U.S. market. So if you are comparing DVD to Blu-ray we are actually looking at a considerably larger number of players that have shipped in only 2.5 years into the life of Blu-ray, so we are doing quite well.”

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Blu-ray-disc-sales-dark-knight,6823.html

Oh yeah, and Blu movies themselves have already started to sell half of all new releases in some cases when compared to DVD sales. Terminator Salvation opened with 53% Blu sales in the market, and Avatar hit 49% Blu it's first week:

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/consumer/avatar-sets-new-record-for-blu-ray-sales/

Here's a tip for you - instead of pulling your own biased historcal "facts" out of nowhere, save everyone the trouble of debating with you and just provide a link if it happens to be true.

 

[JackBurton]

Hey, I come on here and express my opinion. Your borderline personal attacks say a lot more about where you are coming from than they do about the validity of my opinions.

Yes, it says I can't stand people that spout off misinformation. If you don't know what you are talking about, STFU. Making false claims on a topic you know nothing about just confuses people that are actually trying to get ACCURATE information.

I didn't compare Blu-ray to dvd, Sony did. Sony doesn't want Blu-ray to be a niche product like laser disks, they want Blu-ray to replace dvds.

Sony was making a prediction, YOU were the one using the comparison to measure Blu-ray's success, which is another inaccurate statement.

I'm seeing a pattern here.

As to the xbox claims you make, in what way is having 4gig of memory a "drawback" ? What game cannot be played with 4 gig of memory ?

How about YOU do the research instead of me doing it for you. And to be clear, I didn't say you couldn't play 360 game with a basic 360 (Arcade or 4GB Slim). Now it's your turn to connect the dots.

 

[Tom]

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20080407PD201.html

"Sony will offer Blu-ray Disc (BD) devices in a wide range of product lines and prices and aims to increase the global market share of its BD products from 20 percent currently to 50 percent, by the end of 2008, according to Sony president and Electronics CEO Ryoji Chubachi at a press conference in Taipei on April 3."


Products that don't come close to meeting expectations can reasonably be described as failing. You can look at it however you like, if I don't agree with you as far as I'm concerned that's all it is, a disagreement.

 

[Tom]

How about YOU do the research instead of me doing it for you. And to be clear, I didn't say you couldn't play 360 game with a basic 360 (Arcade or 4GB Slim). Now it's your turn to connect the dots.

How am I supposed to "research" your bogus claim that 4 gigs of storage is a "serious drawback" for gaming on the 360 ? The only place this claim exists is in your head.

 

[Narmer]

Wasn't 2008 the year when Blu-ray finally overcame HD-DVD? It was in January, I believe when Warner decided to go with blu-ray. I find it hard to believe that Sony would say they'd have 50% market penetration by the end of that year.

 

[zokudu]

I thought the reason that Blu Ray really won was because Sony Pictures films were only released in Blu Ray while Toshiba had no supporters not releasing films on Blu Ray.

If your a movie guy and you have the option of All Film or All Films minus Sony Pictures which would you choose? It just led to a wider adoption among movie buffs.

 

[JackBurton]

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20080407PD201.html

"Sony will offer Blu-ray Disc (BD) devices in a wide range of product lines and prices and aims to increase the global market share of its BD products from 20 percent currently to 50 percent, by the end of 2008, according to Sony president and Electronics CEO Ryoji Chubachi at a press conference in Taipei on April 3."


Products that don't come close to meeting expectations can reasonably be described as failing. You can look at it however you like, if I don't agree with you as far as I'm concerned that's all it is, a disagreement.

Are you seriously going to keep pressing with your moronic argument? Slower than anticipated adoption doesn't equal a failed product. Blu-ray is continuing to eat into the DVD market and shows no sign of slowing down.