Libyan Unrest versus The Colonel

[Nebor]

The King in Bahrain set the tone. I think this whole pan Arab revolution thing is petering out following this as a guide. Furthermore the other despots are prepared now by shoring up alliances and war gaming strategy and tactics.

Well really, hasn't history taught us that the people of the ME only respect force and brutality? Appear weak, or allow them democracy and they'll overthrow you and put a brutal autocrat in charge every time.

 

[Zebo]

All people. Germans didnt surrender and become passivists with sermons but we killed the fuck out of them ~ 20 million.

 

[Sentrosi2121]

Forgive me for intruding in on P&N, but how would UN sanctions be beneficial to anyone?

 

[Lemon law]

Well really, hasn't history taught us that the people of the ME only respect force and brutality? Appear weak, or allow them democracy and they'll overthrow you and put a brutal autocrat in charge every time.

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Isn't the current history of the mid-east teaching us how incorrect Nebor is. Times and people change Nebor, that only thing seeming immutable and infinite is your stupidity.

 

[bamacre]

Isn't the current history of the mid-east teaching us how incorrect Nebor is. Times and people change Nebor, that only thing seeming immutable and infinite is your stupidity.

:thumbsup:

But please get rid of your ---------'s. They are not needed. How long have you been posting here?

 

[CallMeJoe]

or with any one of the democrats that didn't object and supported the decision.

Even when a Republican president acts by executive order, you blame the Democrats...

 

[Zebo]

Forgive me for intruding in on P&N, but how would UN sanctions be beneficial to anyone?

They would hurt poorest like always since the powers that be control distribution, which in turn, strengthens anti Americanism.

I heard they may try seizing bank accounts but that's only money and more where that comes from if the Col retains power so that will fail too.

What would do something is sending 10000 rangers and green berets in to take out the Col and his henchmen. But we usually don't do stuff like that because their is no profit in it and bloody separating friend or foe.

 

[CanOWorms]

Forgive me for intruding in on P&N, but how would UN sanctions be beneficial to anyone?

Putting sanctions on countries like Italy which have been propping up Qaddafi would prevent them from sending emergency anti-protester weapons to be used against civilians. They're scared of their oil supply and hordes of refugees streaming over.

Remember when Rwanda had its genocide, the world failed to slap France with sanctions and they sent plane loads of machetes and weapons.

Recently, the French had some people in power with brains who stopped their foreign minister from sending a planeload of anti-civilian weapons to Tunisia during those riots, too.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Looks like eastern Libya has been liberated by the people of Libya from the grip of the tyrant.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/24/us-libya-protests-idUSTRE71G0A620110224?pageNumber=1

Libyans celebrated the liberation of the east of the country from the rule of Muammar Gaddafi, who has vowed to crush the revolt and on Wednesday was trying to assert his grip on the capital Tripoli, in the west.

 

[irishScott]

They would hurt poorest like always since the powers that be control distribution, which in turn, strengthens anti Americanism.

I heard they may try seizing bank accounts but that's only money and more where that comes from if the Col retains power so that will fail too.

What would do something is sending 10000 rangers and green berets in to take out the Col and his henchmen. But we usually don't do stuff like that because their is no profit in it and bloody separating friend or foe.

And it's just not our business. I love how we toppled Saddam, by any measure an extremely brutal dictator who was probably worse than Gaddafi's ever been, and everyone screams about America's war for oil (just about one of the stupidest concepts on the planet) and wrongfully policing the world. Yet nearly 10 years after the fact they want us to go around and do exactly the latter.

So I guess it has to be poor oppressed Africans to justify an intervention. Everyone else is just fucked.

 

[JSt0rm]

And it's just not our business. I love how we toppled Saddam, by any measure an extremely brutal dictator who was probably worse than Gaddafi's ever been, and everyone screams about America's war for oil (just about one of the stupidest concepts on the planet) and wrongfully policing the world. Yet nearly 10 years after the fact they want us to go around and do exactly the latter.

So I guess it has to be poor oppressed Africans to justify an intervention. Everyone else is just fucked.

confirming that the iraqi people were in open revolt and we went in there as liberators.

Your mind...












It's retarded.

 

[irishScott]

confirming that the iraqi people were in open revolt and we went in there as liberators.

Your mind...












It's retarded.

No, but I'm pretty sure they were happy to see Saddam and his sons (who basically had free raping privileges) among other people go. Just a theory. Little theory there...

And actually there was an Iraqi revolution shortly after the Gulf War. Saddam killed it. Literally.

 

[Schadenfroh]

confirming that the iraqi people were in open revolt and we went in there as liberators.

We were a few years off in aiding the Iraqis when they openly rebelled
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

 

[llee]

Go dig up Reagan then so he can unleash some more F-111's on him again.

Assuming of course we can find some 111's to get airborne.

you mean F-117s?

 

[JSt0rm]

We were a few years off in aiding the Iraqis when they openly rebelled
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

Yeah so we waited a decade. Good idea.

At any rate we are either the world police or we arent. I would prefer not being the world police.

 

[XX55XX]

I predict that Gaddafi will likely prevail in the end. These protesters and army deserters only have light weaponry, and their hold on the eastern part of the country is extremely tenuous. It will be a matter of time before Gaddafi strikes back:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/24/world/africa/24rebels.html?hp

It will be bloody, and the international community will voice words of "grave concern," but until it takes action, the rebellion is likely to be crushed.

 

[Howard]

I predict that Gaddafi will likely prevail in the end. These protesters and army deserters only have light weaponry, and their hold on the eastern part of the country is extremely tenuous. It will be a matter of time before Gaddafi strikes back:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/24/world/africa/24rebels.html?hp

It will be bloody, and the international community will voice words of "grave concern," but until it takes action, the rebellion is likely to be crushed.

Isn't the UN supposed to prevent genocide?

 

[exdeath]

Mostly unarmed citzens in all these nations successfully revolting, police and military refusing to attack citizens, etc.

And lefties still think we don't need private guns in the US because citizens would be crushed anyway (the classic leftie "hand guns won't save you from US tanks and jets" argument). LMAO. These guys did it without many guns, so imagine how much quicker it would be over if they were stock piling like US citizens and not having to retreat temporarily because of a couple riot shields and smoke grenades from a few loyalists "just doing their job".

 

[Zebo]

I'm as pro gun as you get EX but introducing guns lets central gov'ts get real punitive with real weapons like gas, bombs, etc. You better be prepared to go all the way and have a real chance of winning. e.g. copting military at some point because weapons today can destroy whole cities in seconds.

 

[Lemon law]

Since Kaddafi can no longer rely on his army, he has been hiring all the mercenaries he can get. Therefore, if Kaddafi's ability to pay those mercenaries can be restricted by various entities freezing his money, ole Kaddafi could find himself in a position of being able to longer pay the mercenaries. In which case we may never learn which bloodshot was Kaddafi's. Or one his hired mercenaries may decide to take over, because they think they can defuse the crisis.

In short, I am not bullish on the future of Kaddafi, and Kaddafi has lost everyone's respect.

 

[Exterous]

Isn't the UN supposed to prevent genocide?

Yes - but they would just classify it as a 'tribal conflict' or something to avoid having to do anything

 

[PottedMeat]

Since Kaddafi can no longer rely on his army, he has been hiring all the mercenaries he can get. Therefore, if Kaddafi's ability to pay those mercenaries can be restricted by various entities freezing his money, ole Kaddafi could find himself in a position of being able to longer pay the mercenaries. In which case we may never learn which bloodshot was Kaddafi's. Or one his hired mercenaries may decide to take over, because they think they can defuse the crisis.

In short, I am not bullish on the future of Kaddafi, and Kaddafi has lost everyone's respect.

now that he's using mercenaries he better win, if they lose every one of his supporters will probably be shot.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Isn't the UN supposed to prevent genocide?

Rule of thumb is that they are fine with it (at most a verbal condemnation, if that) if you only slaughter your own civilians / ethnic group.

 

[yllus]

What is the distribution of oil resources in Libya like - spread all over or concentrated in specific regions? If east Libya remains "free", what's their economic outlook going to be like?

 

[Zebo]

Since Kaddafi can no longer rely on his army, he has been hiring all the mercenaries he can get. Therefore, if Kaddafi's ability to pay those mercenaries can be restricted by various entities freezing his money, ole Kaddafi could find himself in a position of being able to longer pay the mercenaries. In which case we may never learn which bloodshot was Kaddafi's. Or one his hired mercenaries may decide to take over, because they think they can defuse the crisis.

In short, I am not bullish on the future of Kaddafi, and Kaddafi has lost everyone's respect.

Meh no issue. Pay em in bullion. not everyone is stupid enough to all eggs in Western bankers basket. In Islamic world Gold is still hoarded goes to religion as well as mistrust.