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Lexus to roll out all-new sedan lineup by '06; BMW loyalists targeted

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: RiDE
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: chilled
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Aharami
nop. cant do it. sorry. cant compare a boat to the feel of a bimmer
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Doesn't matter. Lexus already outsells BMW, has better customer service, has better built and more reliable cars with comparable resale value.
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Not in Europe they don't! And they have lower resale value here!

I don't see the attraction - they're just Toyota's aimed at the luxurious car sector!
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:roll:
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Why the rolling eyes? That is the fact.
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So the Audi A8L 6.0 W12 is a really expensive VW?
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look up the history of audi and VW. Audi was acquired by VW...not created, like lexus was by toyota.
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So, that means absolutely nothing TODAY. Audi's and VW's TODAY share platforms, engines, electrical components, transmissions, suspensions, etc. So if you're gonna say that Lexus is a Toyota, you might as well go ahead and say that an Audi is a VW.

That being said, Audi and VW dealerships and ownership experiences are generally vastly different. Same goes for Toyota and Lexus.
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The Lexus IS a toyota in other parts of the world

the lexus brand is created simply for the US market. Toyota is introducing the lexus brand in japan
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You make it sound like he didn't know that. He wasn't even arguing that.
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his analogy of vw and audi is false

vw and audi were 2 diff car manufactures
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Which is why he said this:

Audi's and VW's TODAY share platforms, engines, electrical components, transmissions, suspensions, etc.
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Just like what Toyota and Lexus does with their cars right?

 
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: RiDE

You make it sound like he didn't know that. He wasn't even arguing that.
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his analogy of vw and audi is false

vw and audi were 2 diff car manufactures
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yeap.. i said this earlier.
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So, that means absolutely nothing TODAY. Audi's and VW's TODAY share platforms, engines, electrical components, transmissions, suspensions, etc. So if you're gonna say that Lexus is a Toyota, you might as well go ahead and say that an Audi is a VW.
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EDIT: too slow for the edit... 😉 😛
 
Originally posted by: z0mb13
camry and gs?

hmm I dont really know what chasis the gs is based on....
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ES - Camry
GS - seperate platform
LS - seperate platform
SC- seperate platform
IS - seperate patform
RX - Camry
GX - 4-Runner
LX - Land Cruiser
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: z0mb13
camry and gs?

hmm I dont really know what chasis the gs is based on....
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ES - Camry
GS - seperate platform
LS - seperate platform
SC- seperate platform
IS - seperate patform
RX - Camry
GX - 4-Runner
LX - Land Cruiser
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ok so my previous statemet was almost true.. 😀😀

only gs and ls have their own chasis..

the GS handles fine, but not as good as the 5 series
the Ls is a boat compared to the 7

but I cant deny the luxury factor of each car! they are amazingly luxurious
 
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: z0mb13
camry and gs?

hmm I dont really know what chasis the gs is based on....
Click to expand...

ES - Camry
GS - seperate platform
LS - seperate platform
SC- seperate platform
IS - seperate patform
RX - Camry
GX - 4-Runner
LX - Land Cruiser
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ok so my previous statemet was almost true.. 😀😀

only gs and ls have their own chasis..

the GS handles fine, but not as good as the 5 series
the Ls is a boat compared to the 7

but I cant deny the luxury factor of each car! they are amazingly luxurious
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yes exactly. noone is denying that lexus makes very luxurious cars. but "fun" is not a selling point in their cars. the lexus buyer and BMW buyer are 2 different niches. lexus buyers care all about luxury and getting from point A to point B as comfortable as possible. BMW buyers care about the journey and having some fun along the way with some luxury thrown in for kicks.

lexus has gotten (bad grammar, i know) very good at what they do...and Im not so sure they can completely switch tracks to win over the bmw buyers.
 
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: z0mb13
camry and gs?

hmm I dont really know what chasis the gs is based on....
Click to expand...

ES - Camry
GS - seperate platform
LS - seperate platform
SC- seperate platform
IS - seperate patform
RX - Camry
GX - 4-Runner
LX - Land Cruiser
Click to expand...

ok so my previous statemet was almost true.. 😀😀

only gs and ls have their own chasis..

the GS handles fine, but not as good as the 5 series
the Ls is a boat compared to the 7

but I cant deny the luxury factor of each car! they are amazingly luxurious
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yes exactly. noone is denying that lexus makes very luxurious cars. but "fun" is not a selling point in their cars. the lexus buyer and BMW buyer are 2 different niches. lexus buyers care all about luxury and getting from point A to point B as comfortable as possible. BMW buyers care about the journey and having some fun along the way with some luxury thrown in for kicks.

lexus has gotten (bad grammar, i know) very good at what they do...and Im not so sure they can completely switch tracks to win over the bmw buyers.
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IMO its better if they stick to their current niche, which is a cheaper/more reliable alternative compared to mercedez bens


 
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: chilled
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Aharami
nop. cant do it. sorry. cant compare a boat to the feel of a bimmer
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Doesn't matter. Lexus already outsells BMW, has better customer service, has better built and more reliable cars with comparable resale value.
Click to expand...


Not in Europe they don't! And they have lower resale value here!

I don't see the attraction - they're just Toyota's aimed at the luxurious car sector!
Click to expand...

:roll:
Click to expand...

Why the rolling eyes? That is the fact.
Click to expand...

So the Audi A8L 6.0 W12 is a really expensive VW?
Click to expand...

look up the history of audi and VW. Audi was acquired by VW...not created, like lexus was by toyota.
Click to expand...

So, that means absolutely nothing TODAY. Audi's and VW's TODAY share platforms, engines, electrical components, transmissions, suspensions, etc. So if you're gonna say that Lexus is a Toyota, you might as well go ahead and say that an Audi is a VW.

That being said, Audi and VW dealerships and ownership experiences are generally vastly different. Same goes for Toyota and Lexus.
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The Lexus IS a toyota in other parts of the world

the lexus brand is created simply for the US market. Toyota is introducing the lexus brand in japan
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WTF are you talking about ? Lexus is all over the world. Not just US and Japan.
 
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: isekii


WTF are you talking about ? Lexus is all over the world. Not just US and Japan.
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quoted from here
©2004 Lexus, a Division of Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. All information contained herein applies to U.S. vehicles only
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That's because you went to a Lexus USA site, which they have the disclaimer of applying only to US vehicles. :roll:
 
Also the IS300 pulls .91 on the skidpads which is no boat.
Give me a fvckign break.
330i cost a whole lot more than the IS300. IF you want to compare the 3 series compare it with the 323 which is around the same price without any options.
 
Originally posted by: isekii
Also the IS300 pulls .91 on the skidpads which is no boat.
Give me a fvckign break.
330i cost a whole lot more than the IS300. IF you want to compare the 3 series compare it with the 323 which is around the same price without any options.
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you cant really compare apples and apples with cars.

the is is definitely cheaper than the 330, but a lot of comparisons is made between the two cars.

toyota designed the car solely to compete with the 3 seriies (albeit they made it cheaper)



 
Originally posted by: isekii
Also the IS300 pulls .91 on the skidpads which is no boat.
Give me a fvckign break.
330i cost a whole lot more than the IS300. IF you want to compare the 3 series compare it with the 323 which is around the same price without any options.
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since BMW doesn't make the 323i anymore if lexus wants to take away marketshare from BMW

they are marketing at people that would buy a 325i or 330i
 
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: isekii
Also the IS300 pulls .91 on the skidpads which is no boat.
Give me a fvckign break.
330i cost a whole lot more than the IS300. IF you want to compare the 3 series compare it with the 323 which is around the same price without any options.
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you cant really compare apples and apples with cars.

the is is definitely cheaper than the 330, but a lot of comparisons is made between the two cars.

toyota designed the car solely to compete with the 3 seriies (albeit they made it cheaper)
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Exactly, it was made to compete with the 3 series, but everyoen knows that the 330 is more expensive and it has better amenities. Can you compare the IS300 to the M3 ? It's a 3 series isn't it ?
The IS300 was marketed to target the 3 series in general, but it really compares with the 323's performance number wise, price wise.
Lexus didn't come out with different models for the IS300 like BMW did with the 323, 330, m3. They're probably due out soon tho.

 
Originally posted by: mchammer187
Originally posted by: isekii
Also the IS300 pulls .91 on the skidpads which is no boat.
Give me a fvckign break.
330i cost a whole lot more than the IS300. IF you want to compare the 3 series compare it with the 323 which is around the same price without any options.
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since BMW doesn't make the 323i anymore if lexus wants to take away marketshare from BMW

they are marketing at people that would buy a 325i or 330i
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323 and 325 are the same bullsh!t with the number changed.
 
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