Lets go burn some books!

[bullbert]

Why not burn Muslims on a cross.

carbon emissions?

 

[jackschmittusa]

Terrible people who claim to make the world a better place but whose actions make it worse.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Why would this make me feel sorry for the Islamic Jihadists who have declared war on Western civilization and the so called "moderates" Muslims who stand by idly doing nothing but holding their hands in their pockets?

Which "moderate" Muslims are you referring to? American Muslims? What do you want them to do, write letters to Al-Qaeda and ask them to put their guns down?

As for the article, meh. They can do whatever they want with their property. They are bigots, sure, but they are Christian so why would anyone expect any less?

 

[RedCOMET]

Yeah... I see this church closing down shop or moving someplace else, because they will end up getting death threats, or something worse will happen to them. Just connecting the dots... Showing Muhammad on TV ( ala South Park) gets you death threats, I'm sure burning the Quran will get you detah threats and more...

I'm sure its a religion of peace and shit, but that's hardly been shown in recent times when people try to poke a little fun at this religion. Any other religion people mock, its like, whatever, but when we start bashing Islam, all hell breaks loose.

 

[RedCOMET]

Terrible people who claim to make the world a better place but whose actions make it worse.

Well, from a historical perspective...It wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Elfear]

I'm a Christian and I think the actions of the Florida church members are reprehensible. Really stupid way to try and "help" Muslims. Hopefully no one joins in the burning.

I'm sorry to see a small minority give Christians a bad name again and again.

And as the Christians still covet the wealth that rightfully belongs to those Muslims residents, we have to demonize them and their religions to justify or re justify that thievery. Fast forgetting that 50-70 years ago, we had similar problems with the Japanese, the Vietnamese, and India with religions we demonized as godless.

Yeah, I sit around with other Christians all the time trying to figure out how to get the Muslim people's money. **rolls eyes**

 

[Double Trouble]

Like RD said, this would be an entirely different story if Muslims were burning bibles. Or would you be defending THEIR freedom of speech?

Yes, I would. It's stupid either way, but Christians generally don't feel they have to 'defend the honor' of Christianity or defamation with violence. We all know Islam has not evolved that far yet, even silly things like a little cartoon set of riots and violence all over the world.

 

[Lanyap]

It appears the Phelps family may have some kindred souls in Florida.

Christianity - the true Religion of Hate...

Did you read the article? It's a nondenominational church inviting Christians to participate. Seems you're the one full of hate.

Muslims and many other Christians -- including some evangelicals -- are fighting the initiative.

The National Association of Evangelicals, the nation's largest umbrella evangelical group, issued a statement urging the church to cancel the event, warning it could cause worldwide tension between the two religions.

 

[Lanyap]

Yeah... I see this church closing down shop or moving someplace else, because they will end up getting death threats, or something worse will happen to them. Just connecting the dots... Showing Muhammad on TV ( ala South Park) gets you death threats, I'm sure burning the Quran will get you detah threats and more...

I'm sure its a religion of peace and shit, but that's hardly been shown in recent times when people try to poke a little fun at this religion. Any other religion people mock, its like, whatever, but when we start bashing Islam, all hell breaks loose.

Maybe it's because most of the muslims in the ME are poor and uneducated and only have religion so they take it very seriously.

 

[sandorski]

Religion Fail.

 

[Lemon law]

Yes, I would. It's stupid either way, but Christians generally don't feel they have to 'defend the honor' of Christianity or defamation with violence. We all know Islam has not evolved that far yet, even silly things like a little cartoon set of riots and violence all over the world.

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To some extent, Christianity had a 700 year head start on Islam, but 300 years ago, the Christians in Europe were cheerfully murdering each other as Catholics and Protestants clashed over the one true faith. After centuries of clashing with murder and butchery being the correct answer panacea, to some extent, most Christians realized how counterproductive that was and greatly reduced the practice.

To some extent, the Muslim faith is just starting to learn the same lesson now. As no single modern State can any longer expect to have all its population practice the same exact religion.

 

[CanOWorms]

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To some extent, Christianity had a 700 year head start on Islam, but 300 years ago, the Christians in Europe were cheerfully murdering each other as Catholics and Protestants clashed over the one true faith. After centuries of clashing with murder and butchery being the correct answer panacea, to some extent, most Christians realized how counterproductive that was and greatly reduced the practice.

To some extent, the Muslim faith is just starting to learn the same lesson now. As no single modern State can any longer expect to have all its population practice the same exact religion.

That doesn't work well as an excuse. Christianity didn't have a state and was persecuted for some time. Islam started out very early with a powerful state backer. In addition, civilization did not start with religion. In fact, much of Islamic development seems to have occurred in the cradle of civilization!

 

[Lemon law]

That doesn't work well as an excuse. Christianity didn't have a state and was persecuted for some time. Islam started out very early with a powerful state backer. In addition, civilization did not start with religion. In fact, much of Islamic development seems to have occurred in the cradle of civilization!

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Quite a few total historical falsehoods in your wormcan.

Lets see, both Christianity and Islam got their start in the mid-east. In the case of Christianity, it was slow going, but ultimately they became the official Roman religion,
and when the Roman Empire fell, Roman Catholic was the basic official and only religion in Europe. There may have been a sister Catholic church in Constantinople, that was more influential East of Europe proper.

As for Mohammad the man, he was just a sort of local wise man in Saudi Arabia and never lived to see his beliefs spread. But Islam never had any State backing initially, and instead, spread like wildfire simply because the former empire that had ruled that region of the world had collapsed. And as the Arab mini-hordes rode out of what is now Saudi Arabia, there was no opposing force to stop them. And because they were eager for converts, they made it very easy for the locals to convert. And as they rode initially North the initially basic Muslim barbarians picked up learning, culture, and in only tolerance from those to the North, experienced their Sunni Shia split, and then, in only 100 years, the Muslim dominions stretched as far West as Spain and parts of France, and Eastward well into India. And when checked by the masses in India, the Muslim faith continued its spread by boat Eastward along trading routes.

In general, Muslims always respected its fellow people of the book in terms of Jews and Christians, to an extent Christians still have not equaled. But still, Christian and Muslims still fight like cats and dogs today.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Too bad they can't burn some Polka music .... and squirrels.

I hate those pesky squirrels.




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[CanOWorms]

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Quite a few total historical falsehoods in your wormcan.

No, there are historical inaccuracies in your interpretation of my post.

Lets see, both Christianity and Islam got their start in the mid-east. In the case of Christianity, it was slow going, but ultimately they became the official Roman religion,
and when the Roman Empire fell, Roman Catholic was the basic official and only religion in Europe.

No, it was not.

As for Mohammad the man, he was just a sort of local wise man in Saudi Arabia and never lived to see his beliefs spread. But Islam never had any State backing initially, and instead, spread like wildfire simply because the former empire that had ruled that region of the world had collapsed. And as the Arab mini-hordes rode out of what is now Saudi Arabia, there was no opposing force to stop them. And because they were eager for converts, they made it very easy for the locals to convert. And as they rode initially North the initially basic Muslim barbarians picked up learning, culture, and in only tolerance from those to the North, experienced their Sunni Shia split, and then, in only 100 years, the Muslim dominions stretched as far West as Spain and parts of France, and Eastward well into India. And when checked by the masses in India, the Muslim faith continued its spread by boat Eastward along trading routes.

You seem to agree that Islam had powerful state backers early in its history.

In general, Muslims always respected its fellow people of the book in terms of Jews and Christians, to an extent Christians still have not equaled. But still, Christian and Muslims still fight like cats and dogs today.

Why are you limiting it to the so-called people of the book? Are the billions of others irrelevant in your Eurocentric view? Or are they not people?

 

[Lemon law]

How can you say Islam had powerful state backers, when they were their own backers. What is now Saudi Arabia was nothing but a few nomadic herdsmen with no real State.

The Islamic expansion of the 7th, 8th, and 9'th century AD is still somewhat unmatched today, Islam did not spread because of State backing, it spread because it converted those it conquered. And kept spreading until it was stopped by other established religions and political powers. The established political systems in India, the Chinese hegemony north of India, and Russian and European Christians to the North all stopped the Islamic early expansion. And Islam also spread well to the South well into Africa.

If Islam behaved like a single State, able to call in reinforcements from those already converted, Islam may have dominated the world. But Islam was not able to call in reinforcements from those already converted and did not try to do so, so why call it a single State or say it had State backing?

 

[Darwin333]

Like RD said, this would be an entirely different story if Muslims were burning bibles. Or would you be defending THEIR freedom of speech?

Absolutely. They are just as free to set up a counter protest and burn all the bibles they want. Thats the entire "idea" behind freedom, not to protect the popular because that is usually protected because its popular. It is to protect the unpopular things (like burning your OWN bible).

I am not a fan at all of burning books but as long as they own the books they can do whatever the hell they want with them.

 

[Darwin333]

Well, from a historical perspective...It wouldn't be the first time.

Nor the last I am afraid.

 

[Red Dawn]

Like RD said, this would be an entirely different story if Muslims were burning bibles. Or would you be defending THEIR freedom of speech?

Like others have said, if they own the Bibles it's within their rights to burn them. I was just pointing out the outrage among many in the Christian Community that would follow.

 

[Double Trouble]

Like others have said, if they own the Bibles it's within their rights to burn them. I was just pointing out the outrage among many in the Christian Community that would follow.

Yes, there would be outrage, just like the muslims are outraged at the quran burning. I don't have a problem with that.... as long as it stays legal and non-violent, no matter who's burning what. I don't give a crap what idiots want to burn what book, as long as they own the things, have at it.

 

[Lemon law]

I can also make the case that Muslims are anything but tolerant. Within the States they dominate, other than a handful of Christian and Jewish people of the book, all other citizens had better be faithful Muslims or else. Nor are they the good humor man when Christian Evangelists try to poach on their Turf.

And when they become a fairly large minority, but still a minority in various European countries, many conservative Muslims go absolutely ballistic bonkers when someone violates their sacred taboo of daring to draw a cartoon of Mohammad.

The forces of intolerance and Xenophobia seem to be common characteristics of both Christians and Muslims.

 

[dahunan]

what a worthless church.. lol

most miserable people .. and they think their influence on the rest of us is the best... they should burn themselves

 

[CallMeJoe]

Did you read the article? It's a nondenominational church inviting Christians to participate. Seems you're the one full of hate.

Yes, I read the entire article. Non-denominational does not mean non-christian. You might note they are being countered by some other christians...

 

[irishScott]

Yes, I read the entire article. Non-denominational does not mean non-christian. You might note they are being countered by some other christians...

Not only some. A good many Evangelicals (read: conservative Christians) are openly denouncing it. If a bunch of terrorists got together in the ME and burned a stack of Bibles, how many large-scale conservative Muslim groups would speak out against it?

Christianity and religion in general may not be all it's cracked up to be, but if I was forced to convert to either Christianity or Islam I'd choose the former in a heartbeat.

 

[KDOG]

Good grief. This is just STUPID. Burn the Quran? Uh, yeah that won't get people all riled up or anything ... seems like all their mission will do is give more sympathy to the other side which is what they say they dont' want. Major fail on their part.


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