Lessons of Modern Warfare 2, per Ars Technica

[Kev]

I remember MK Trilogy for N64 was something retarded like $80 or $90

 

[ScorcherDarkly]

its funny because it only seems to work on games that the person who made the comment hates. when someone tries to to use it against a game you like, it will suddenly become invalid or ridiculous.

I don't hate it, I just don't think its worth spending my money on.

 

[digitaldurandal]

I don't hate it, I just don't think its worth spending my money on.

See I can really respect SD's opinion because he states it as just that, an opinion; not a lesson or a harbringer of the doom of gaming or some other nonsense. His opinion also isn't completely fanatical saying it is the worst game of all time or the best thing since cereal.

Also his course of action seems like the best one, the same one I choose when I do not like something, don't buy it.

 

[Sureshot324]

TF2 is NOT the same game type as COD6 other than its genre.

TF2 is a casual game, it takes little or no skill to play, and you cannot feel competitive in a pub.

I play tf2 when I do not feel like putting my try face on. Run around as a pyro flaming everything easy high score.

Only two classes require any skills which are sniper and scout.

TF2 is a great game with a good community, plus the developer likes to keep the game alive but just like TF wasn't really in competition with CS. TF2 isnt in competition with COD6.

Sniper and scout the only classes that take skill on TF2. Are you kidding me? Those are the only 2 classes in the game that rely primarily on hitscan weapons. Obviously you equate skill entirely with being able to accurately click the mouse on the screen, which is pretty much all you have to be good at in COD. Sniper is one of the least skillful classes in TF2, because clicking the mouse is pretty much all you have to do, except certain maps where you have to be closer to the combat.

I used to be a big CS and Quake player and felt the same way when I started TF2. I could do decently but despite my years of FPS skills I couldn't consistently make the top of the score list, so I just assumed that it was a BS/luck/spam game. After a while I got better and realized the TF2 requires a very different skill set from most other FPS games.

 

[bullbert]

Thank you SONY and MICROSOFT for releasing consoles that are more powerful than any PC in it's price range.

I have several door stops that were cheaper and are still more powerful than my friends' XBox 360s.

 

[Karsten]

On the PC MW2 won't have legs. It simply won't stick around because of all the issues. I have hardcore FPS friends that don't play anymore already.

 

[Zargon]

Most NES games were $70. N64 continued with ridiculously overpriced games while PS1 games were only $50. This is why everyone, including myself, owned a PS1 instead of N64.
The number of $70 is even quoted in one of the earlier Simpsons episodes where Bart steals a Nintendo game. video

a simpsons episode is a very reliable source

I am looking but not finding much talking about prices

the NES was $199 bare, thats about all I have found so far

 

[Regs]

But from what I hear they actually do read all the complaints and have not ruled out the introduction of dedicated servers.

 

[BladeVenom]

a simpsons episode is a very reliable source

If you can't believe a cartoon character, who can you believe?

 

[bullbert]

But from what I hear they actually do read all the complaints and have not ruled out the introduction of dedicated servers.

nice icon ^^^

... but I will only believe it when I see it. Maybe after sales drop to zero, THEN they will release another retail version (aka pay ANOTHER $50) which allows dedicated servers.

 

[Zargon]

But from what I hear they actually do read all the complaints and have not ruled out the introduction of dedicated servers.

very true!

on a side note, I have a bridge for sale, you interested?

 

[aigomorla]

Matchmaking is better than the dedicated server system by a long shot, at least for gamers like myself that just want to play the game without the hassle of downloading crappy mods or searching through endless lists of servers that only play one or two maps or that kick people to make room for clan members.

Dedicated servers are the worst.

*sigh*

So you prefer matching making over having real admins who monitor there servers and play on there servers?
You realize no antihack in the world is ever gonna be better then an admin watching the game.

Sorry, i prefer getting kicked because they want a clan member in, then leaving because some i love you has an aim bot + hack and no one can kick him.

You can always join another game, dedicated servers means plenty of servers you can always join in.

Anyhow, thanks to everyone letting me know about the no dedicated servers, i warned everyone to stay away from this game.
I played SP it was great, then went MP and got raped by mass firing grenade launchers, went BS, and havent played MP since.

This game isnt how its meant to be played without dedicated servers.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Whats the higher quality FPS that is currently out?

What do you mean when you say "quality"?

Do you define "quality" by eye candy graphics or game play? What if a game feels like you're playing an almost athletic, competitive cybersport but is a couple years old? Could that game still be "quality"?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

MW2 has a lot wrong with it, I admit. I've grown tired of it myself, but I'll eventually go back to it.

That's the issue--you've grown tired of it already. Will the game retain your interest for years to come? If it is of such high quality then where are the custom maps and mods (the existence of which is a good way to measure players' enthusiasm for the game).

There are still people out there who are fanatical about the original Unreal Tournament (UT99) and there are also people who no longer play it today but who played it for years and regard it as a legendary game. Assuming that a sequel to MW2 were never released (not going to happen), would you still want to play it years from now?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

No kidding. Not only that, the UT series is pretty much dead. I love UT, but it's no good when you can't find any servers.

UT died, not because UT itself is a bad idea nor because UT99-style game play and feel is bad, but rather because Epic totally fucked the duck with UT3, releasing it as a buggy, GOW grungified, consolized abortion.

 

[bullbert]

UT died, not because UT itself is a bad idea nor because UT99-style game play and feel is bad, but rather because Epic totally fucked the duck with UT3, releasing it as a buggy, GOW grungified, consolized abortion.

Come on now. Do not hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Come on now. Do not hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

What do you think I'm holding back on?

 

[NoSoup4You]

MW2's legs are difficult to determine if only because Activision releases a new COD game every year.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

MW2's legs are difficult to determine if only because Activision releases a new COD game every year.

This is an excellent point. It's hard to judge the "quality" of MW2 based on sales and short-term online player counts simply because it is a sequel to a successful game and part of a franchise. Many sequels suck, especially movies, but do well based on the previous title.

 

[ShawnD1]

a simpsons episode is a very reliable source

I am looking but not finding much talking about prices

the NES was $199 bare, thats about all I have found so far

Here are few examples of what games cost back in the day.

Chrono Trigger
"This, based on the game’s original $70 retail price"

yahoo: how expensive were SNES games
"If I remember correctly, I think I paid about 70 or 80 bucks for FFIII (now FFVI). I think the average cost of an SNES game was about 60 to 70 bucks. This was back in 1995"

Killer Instinct
"The powerful, 32-meg, one- or two-player tournament fighting video game "Killer Instinct," with unparalleled graphics design technology, comes home for a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $74.95.(a)"


It's incredibly hard to find data on AAA titles for the NES because I keep getting a bunch of crappy results for Wii games and Wii downloads. I remember Super Mario 2 and 3 were $70 when they came out and I bought both of them.

N64's article on Wikipedia explains exactly why most of us did not own a Nintendo 64.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64
"While most PlayStation games rarely exceeded US$50,[64] N64 games could reach US$79.99,[64] such as the first pressing of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time"

 

[fatpat268]

That's the issue--you've grown tired of it already. Will the game retain your interest for years to come? If it is of such high quality then where are the custom maps and mods (the existence of which is a good way to measure players' enthusiasm for the game).

There are still people out there who are fanatical about the original Unreal Tournament (UT99) and there are also people who no longer play it today but who played it for years and regard it as a legendary game. Assuming that a sequel to MW2 were never released (not going to happen), would you still want to play it years from now?

I don't know, it's hard to tell.

I got tired of MW2 because I played it too much in a stretch of two months. I'd get tired of any game if I've played it that much. Will I ever play MW2 in the same capacity as I did after it was released? I doubt it.

That said, I do revisit the other recent CODs from time to time, and as long as there's servers I'll play.

 

[zerocool84]

Here are few examples of what games cost back in the day.

Chrono Trigger
"This, based on the game’s original $70 retail price"

yahoo: how expensive were SNES games
"If I remember correctly, I think I paid about 70 or 80 bucks for FFIII (now FFVI). I think the average cost of an SNES game was about 60 to 70 bucks. This was back in 1995"

Killer Instinct
"The powerful, 32-meg, one- or two-player tournament fighting video game "Killer Instinct," with unparalleled graphics design technology, comes home for a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $74.95.(a)"


It's incredibly hard to find data on AAA titles for the NES because I keep getting a bunch of crappy results for Wii games and Wii downloads. I remember Super Mario 2 and 3 were $70 when they came out and I bought both of them.

N64's article on Wikipedia explains exactly why most of us did not own a Nintendo 64.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64
"While most PlayStation games rarely exceeded US$50,[64] N64 games could reach US$79.99,[64] such as the first pressing of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time"

I remember paying $70 for Phantasy Star 4.

 

[mindcycle]

Here are few examples of what games cost back in the day.

Chrono Trigger
"This, based on the game’s original $70 retail price"

yahoo: how expensive were SNES games
"If I remember correctly, I think I paid about 70 or 80 bucks for FFIII (now FFVI). I think the average cost of an SNES game was about 60 to 70 bucks. This was back in 1995"

Killer Instinct
"The powerful, 32-meg, one- or two-player tournament fighting video game "Killer Instinct," with unparalleled graphics design technology, comes home for a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $74.95.(a)"


It's incredibly hard to find data on AAA titles for the NES because I keep getting a bunch of crappy results for Wii games and Wii downloads. I remember Super Mario 2 and 3 were $70 when they came out and I bought both of them.

N64's article on Wikipedia explains exactly why most of us did not own a Nintendo 64.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64
"While most PlayStation games rarely exceeded US$50,[64] N64 games could reach US$79.99,[64] such as the first pressing of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time"

Interesting. Thanks for posting that.

If people are stupid enough to pay $60 for what's essentially an expansion then that's fine and dandy. Just like back in the day when the next big game was $70 or whatever, some people will be willing to pay it. The market will dictate the price in most cases, which is why you saw deals below MSRP the first week. Personally I don't think it's worth what they're asking, but some did, so that's really a personal decision. The reason I didn't buy the game was because of the lack of consideration towards the PC gaming community, not the MSRP.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

TF2 is NOT the same game type as COD6 other than its genre.

TF2 is a casual game, it takes little or no skill to play, and you cannot feel competitive in a pub.

I play tf2 when I do not feel like putting my try face on. Run around as a pyro flaming everything easy high score.

Only two classes require any skills which are sniper and scout.

TF2 is a great game with a good community, plus the developer likes to keep the game alive but just like TF wasn't really in competition with CS. TF2 isnt in competition with COD6.

lol, you're dumb.

 

[mizzou]

i've played through the campaign and am currently prodding the MP waters on PC. I played it on XBOX as well and the coop mode was quite fun.

Anyway, I wouldn't have paid $50 for it but i got it for xmas gift so i got it for free basically. It was the same as any other call of duty type game I've played in the past, but the game will not be in my ready CD tray for years on end like ARMA or half-life series games.