League of Legends - F2P MOBA (like DOTA) part 2

[zebano]

I was looking at the schedule and it's a match per hour. So I'm assuming it's single elimination matches today.

No, it's a group stage. I believe the top two teams from each group move on. TSM, World Elite, Taipai Assassins and M5 all have byes out of the group stage. After group stage are best of 3 matches.

 

[Udgnim]

S2 finals going to be huge. should easily get 500K+ viewers

wonder if it can reach 750K, 1M would be amazing

also curious how to see Normal ELO. just looking at who you're getting matched with in Normal games and seeing their ELO?

 

[krnmastersgt]

Would like to note the visual update for TF doesn't include the Magnificent Twisted Fate skin, so here's hoping they actually made the skin worth buying possible instead of a waste of $20.

 

[crownjules]

CLG got absolutely destroyed by Azubu Frost. They did a 16 min 3-man Baron in which they killed three CLG guys and didn't lose one.

 

[Zxian]

Frost destroyed everyone. 'Nuff said.

I may have a new mancrush on Shy. That Singed play was ridiculously good.

 

[krnmastersgt]

SK vs CLG was the most entertaining ending I've seen in a loooong time.

 

[zebano]

I am massively dissapointed in the NA, the EU teams (I've liked CLG.eu = Froggen +wickd) other than SK were decent but holy crap there isn't a weak team in Asia at all, even the eliminated Saigon Jokers showed some firepower. Maknoon of Nanjin Sword lived up to his reputation and then some clearly looking like the best top laner in the world. Personally I feel like the loss of Jatt and Voyboy from Dignitas really leave it as a one man team and while Scarra is hella-good you simply can't win at this level like that (IMO SK/Ocelot has the same problem).

 

[nanobreath]

SK vs CLG was the most entertaining ending I've seen in a loooong time.

Yes! SK guys were super pissed at the end of that match. The match was very even, and there wasn't ever really a decisive team fight. The teleport push as SK retreated was awesome. For some reason it caught them completely by surprise.

I am massively dissapointed in the NA, the EU teams (I've liked CLG.eu = Froggen +wickd) other than SK were decent but holy crap there isn't a weak team in Asia at all, even the eliminated Saigon Jokers showed some firepower. Maknoon of Nanjin Sword lived up to his reputation and then some clearly looking like the best top laner in the world. Personally I feel like the loss of Jatt and Voyboy from Dignitas really leave it as a one man team and while Scarra is hella-good you simply can't win at this level like that (IMO SK/Ocelot has the same problem).

Them asian teams just put WAY more into it than anybody else. They play and practice with much greater frequency than EU and NA teams. And it really shows.

 

[crownjules]

Them asian teams just put WAY more into it than anybody else. They play and practice with much greater frequency than EU and NA teams. And it really shows.

Yup. This should be a wake up call to teams like CLG that they can't just coast on being solo queue streaming superstars. They almost never scrim. And it showed because those matches vs. the Asian teams looked like pub stomps.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Woooo Korea. Crush these damn NA bastards.

 

[zebano]

Yup. This should be a wake up call to teams like CLG that they can't just coast on being solo queue streaming superstars. They almost never scrim. And it showed because those matches vs. the Asian teams looked like pub stomps.

They always seem to disappoint but I'll be very interested to see if TSM is on the same level as these guys. Their trip to Korea to train a few months back really didn't go that well but M5 might have some serious competition here!

 

[krnmastersgt]

Man the internetz issues during the last quarterfinal was ridiculous. They only ever actually played 1 game without serious issues/restarts.

Also I lol'd at all the WE is cheating threads on numerous forums, apparently people caught screenshots of some of the WE players glancing at the minimap that reveals both teams next to the main screens.

 

[Hacp]

I mostly play ARAMs now, any other ARAMers out there?

 

[nsafreak]

I play ARAMs every now and then but the minority of the time. There's not a whole lot of strategy to them and certain champs are rendered almost useless by lack of movement lanes.

 

[zebano]

Man the internetz issues during the last quarterfinal was ridiculous. They only ever actually played 1 game without serious issues/restarts.

Also I lol'd at all the WE is cheating threads on numerous forums, apparently people caught screenshots of some of the WE players glancing at the minimap that reveals both teams next to the main screens.

yeah I heard the same about AF and iG. =/

This is the type of logistical thing that Riot should really deal with before the games start.

 

[nanobreath]

yeah I heard the same about AF and iG. =/

This is the type of logistical thing that Riot should really deal with before the games start.

I guess the expectation was that teams wouldn't cheat because it isn't fair. But these are super competitive teams playing for tons of money. They take every advantage they can get. The screen shouldn't even be visible to them.

 

[krnmastersgt]

Apparently referees are supposed to watching the player cams all the time to check and see if they're looking somewhere not related to the game and most of it has been ruled okay, though they did say there was 1 very iffy case.

But yeah I don't understand wtf they were thinking when that was visible to players, simple fix is to just put up an overhang so they can't look.

 

[crownjules]

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2660000

A week after the honor system was launched, a red post gives us the following stats:

• Negative attitude reports: -29% in normals, -11% in ranked
• Offensive language reports: -35% in normals, -20% in ranked
• Verbal abuse reports: -41% in normals, -17% in ranked

Also mentions preventing honor abuse and a quick blurb on future plans for the honor system. But overall, it seems like positive reinforcement is helping make the community better. I've certainly noticed an improvement.

And in case you missed it, we're getting a double IP bonus on Oct 20-21 for the delays in the tournament which resumes tonight.

 

[EDUSAN]

have you guys noticed all the people sayign "gg" at the end and "gl hf" at the beginning?

lol what a little point in honorable opponent can make to people...

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Bah. I don't care about Honor. It's like achievements in video games, absolutely worthless.

I still get angry when people are playing stupidly.

 

[crownjules]

Bah. I don't care about Honor. It's like achievements in video games, absolutely worthless.

I still get angry when people are playing stupidly.

Then you're failing to look past yourself to the larger psychological impact. This is the carrot to the stick (reports). Many studies show that positive reinforcement is far more effective than negative. If this promotes less people raging in game then it is a success.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Then you're failing to look past yourself to the larger psychological impact. This is the carrot to the stick (reports). Many studies show that positive reinforcement is far more effective than negative. If this promotes less people raging in game then it is a success.

Lies. Punishment is ALWAYS more effective than positive reinforcement. It's just that Honor is visible reinforcement vs reporting which is effectively invisible. So that obviously skews it one way.


Unless there is viewable and out in the open negative reports, honor is barely an actual incentive.

 

[Udgnim]

Then you're failing to look past yourself to the larger psychological impact. This is the carrot to the stick (reports). Many studies show that positive reinforcement is far more effective than negative. If this promotes less people raging in game then it is a success.

the psychological impact is that it creates an environment where people are more willing to play because they are less afraid of being raged on and verbally abused if they play badly

it doesn't necessarily mean that they will start playing better though

if there is no one that calls them out on doing something poorly or stupid, it can take a while for them to ever start learning what they are doing wrong. if they are thick headed and have too much of an ego, they might not ever learn

some people can focus mainly on the fun part of playing a game and tolerate skill gaps. for other people, part of the fun is playing to get better individually and as a team, but that fun becomes more limited if a team member becomes too heavy to carry on a team

in terms of honor versus reports, I've read that if you get punished for tribunal cases against you, honor is wiped.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I agree with above. Another huge part of the fact that people suck is that, most of the time people can't admit they're playing like dumbasses, and any criticism of how they play and attempt to change how they play is met with hostlty. Just yesterday, I had an Annie mid die 7 times to the EXACT SAME GANK in 20 minutes. Every single time, cass would gank through a jungle route the exact same way, the mid baited in the exact same way, and then annie died.

Hard to not get angry. Honor does not allow someone to get better at all.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Lies. Punishment is ALWAYS more effective than positive reinforcement. It's just that Honor is visible reinforcement vs reporting which is effectively invisible. So that obviously skews it one way.


Unless there is viewable and out in the open negative reports, honor is barely an actual incentive.

Yeah...pretty sure that saying GL HF to the mundo that bought AP and Mana items would NOT have made him play any better...