League of Legends - F2P MOBA (like DOTA) part 2

[NikolaeVarius]

I tried to replay Lee Sin but he's only good for top. Jungle was the worst experience I've ever had.

 

[ImpulsE69]

So, since season 3 here is what i'm seeing with my regular chars.

Rammus jungle is OP now. (yay) - but going with attack speed (to mesh with his passive of more AD) over HP (until later). And Homeguard, Ghost and Q are wow.

Anvia is sort of the same except it seems to take alot longer to get items now - the Offense tree isn't as usable for AP chars going beyond 9 points it seems so I had to rethink her into a more passive 9/0/21 which while takes away her overall AP, with the MP remakes, MP seems to be the more important variable now.

Taric/Zyra/Lulu - seems the same. Leona seems a bit more beefy than before (but that could be my build is a bit different now.

Cho - I find him to be OP now, and is my new top for the moment.

Cait - I find Cait benefits from early attack speed over rushing first parts of BT, but that's probably debatable depending on who you are going up against...but I've been having luck with it. It makes people though.

I saw mention of of the endgame totals and how high minion damage count was somewhat bad. I don't think it is, sure, early game you are just last hitting, but mid/late you should be fast farming as much as you can to clear lanes/jungle. High champ damage will only occur if you have a long game and are in lots of fights, it still doesnt' necessarily mean much because champ healths will vary by so much. You are also assuming that you are only having 5v5 fights where everyone is evenly dishing out damage, which just isn't realistic. Sure if your adc is the lowest damage on your team, you probably have issues, but...

I've also noticed that there seems to be a larger chance of being quite a bit behind in kills and still being able to win, as I don't remember every detail of the changes I don't know why, but I've been in a few games where this happened in the last few days.

 

[HumblePie]

early game, if you have a ton of minion damage over champ damage you are doing two things wrong.

1) you are pushing creeps instead of last hitting only.
2) you are not harassing at all.

It's a VERY good statistic to see since it shows if people are playing good or bad. Pushing too much early extends you and no harassment, unless your support is soraka for tons of sustain, means you are getting pounded on without responding. Which USUALLY means you will either die a lot, get forced back alot, and/or lose out on too much CS.

Late game, some what the same. You should only have a lot of creep damage if you are on the team that is behind. If you are on the winning side and your damage output compared to the rest of the team is crap, then you aren't doing your job. That is for mid, top, and adc. Jungler can be a bit behind, and so can support, but they don't have to be. Actually, as a support, I typically have the highest damage done to champs. I harass like CRAZY as a good support is suppose to be doing early game. I keep my damage up no matter what I play, especially now in season 3. DPS is far more important than tanking since all tanking items got nerfed hard.

 

[Ashenor]

Thinking about trying this some more again, played for a few days but sucked bad lmao.

And recommenditions on guys to start with?

Thanks

 

[Maleficus]

It's more about finding your playstyle and a champ that fits it, some champs have high skill ceilings but from a beginner stand point, most everything will take some getting used to depending on your background.

peruse the champs and find something that suits you, play the hell out of it.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

Thinking about trying this some more again, played for a few days but sucked bad lmao.

And recommenditions on guys to start with?

Thanks

most of the cheap (450ip) champs are really easy to start with. My favorite when starting was Annie, and she is still a pretty solid caster.

Ashe is also a great char to start with, and is a pretty straight forward dps

 

[p0nd]

i had an absolutely sick game as lee sin tonight.

we were fighting at the enemy mid inner turret, poking away with xerath. the fight starts and we end up killing their irelia (i think?) and the enemy vayne gets chunked pretty hard. i landed a Q on vayne but wasn't able to use it until she started retreating (and i was out of range).

but the minion train ran past the turret due to aggro, so I W'd to the minion closest to vayne, and hit my Q for a kick that killed her. everyone was totally WTF'd. i probably went an entire screen-length at 1920x1080. it was awesome

Lee sin is ridiculous this patch. I've seen him wreck as jungle contrary to what Nik said above. He's always been capable of insane plays but now it seems like his damage output is much higher due to the itemization changes. based on the last few games i've been in i'm starting to consider him a pretty decent ban choice if nobody on the team is going to pick him (might just be my elo though)

and i agree about Vi being terrifying for me as ADC. if you don't have any escapes you better hope your team can peel.

btw if anyone wants to play my name on league is Moth Lite, feel free to add me.

 

[crownjules]

and i agree about Vi being terrifying for me as ADC. if you don't have any escapes you better hope your team can peel.

btw if anyone wants to play my name on league is Moth Lite, feel free to add me.

She's Malphite 2.0 - sacrificing utility (no AS debuff, no slow) for raw damage. She has the same 10% HP as shield effect, just tied to her ability use rather than not taking damage. And her ult is arguably as good or even better than Malph's depending on positioning and how the enemy sets up. But her Q gives her even more range and that's why she's so nasty. The ADC has to be so far back as to not be able to do much to avoid her engaging.

I added you to the first page list of players.

Finally picked up and have been using Draven lately. Having a lot of fun with him. Took a few games to get the hang of ax catching down. Had a couple fun games with Terrible destroying bot lanes with our Draven + Ziggs combo. Except Soraka lanes. Fuck Soraka lanes.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I FINALLY BOUGHT MISS FORTUNE FOR OUR RANKED TEAM! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

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[HumblePie]

She's Malphite 2.0 - sacrificing utility (no AS debuff, no slow) for raw damage. She has the same 10% HP as shield effect, just tied to her ability use rather than not taking damage. And her ult is arguably as good or even better than Malph's depending on positioning and how the enemy sets up. But her Q gives her even more range and that's why she's so nasty. The ADC has to be so far back as to not be able to do much to avoid her engaging.

I added you to the first page list of players.

Finally picked up and have been using Draven lately. Having a lot of fun with him. Took a few games to get the hang of ax catching down. Had a couple fun games with Terrible destroying bot lanes with our Draven + Ziggs combo. Except Soraka lanes. Fuck Soraka lanes.

Hahah, yah super passive soraka lanes with an ADC that has a good escape means that kill bot lanes have a harder time without help trying to kill that lane.

Anything else, ziggs is effing OP as support against. I was even having 500+ ping and was still laying waste with Ziggs support

A passive lane with a soraka support means without jungler help, it is basically a farm fest in bot lane. Now a soraka that focuses on offense instead of defense... those get destroyed early. It's the super passive play that's effing annoying.



Oh, one thing I saw lately that I found funny as hell. Nunu or heimer with Banner of Command. Effing RIDICULOUS when you use the banner to make a super canon minion when the other person is not expecting it in lane. Early on, those super canon minions DESTROY champs. Been watching a few high elo players use that combo. Nunu works well because he can Blood Boil the Canon minion after making it super. Just wait for aggression to happen, pop the banner and blood boil and watch the canon minion rape the person attacking you. Hilariously funny. With heimer, between that minion, and his turrets he takes down objectives insanely fast. I watched a game where a 4 man gank went top against Vman playing heimer. He popped banner, popped his ult, and hit 3 of them with his grenade to stun them. He killed them all 1v4 that way at level 10ish. It was hilarious to watch.

The other combos I've been seeing a lot is The Teleport with Homeguard boots on some champs. Phantomlord does this with a Revive Teleport Karthus. He rushes homeguard boots to make massive plays. WingsOfDeath has been doing a Rammus top lane with teleport and flash combo. He rushes homeguard as well. Starts his powerball and teleports in. No one gets away from that and it's funny as heck.

 

[Firsttime]

I FINALLY BOUGHT MISS FORTUNE FOR OUR RANKED TEAM! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

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To plat we go!

 

[ImpulsE69]

Did they change the ranking tiers? Slowly crawling my way out of hell and I'm at 1161 and it's showing as silver now.

 

[crownjules]

Did they change the ranking tiers? Slowly crawling my way out of hell and I'm at 1161 and it's showing as silver now.

They changed towards the end of S2. I think solo queue silver starts at 1150.

 

[Fenixgoon]

To plat we go!

murica (and canada), fvck yeah! :thumbsup:

 

[billbobaggins87]

i dont know whats going on since last patch but i seemingly cant win a ranked game. for awhile it was definitely me playing bad.. but now its getting to the point where i cant carry teams to a win... i worked my way up from 800's elo to 1273 and now im on my way below 1100..
You can look my champ up. Billbobaggins any of the ranked in history are the 5's team.

 

[ImpulsE69]

The biggest issue I've been seeing is people won't ward. Flat out refuse. One game (the entire team) told me that if you had map awareness you don't need wards. The funny thing is, I was telling them because THEY kept getting ganked. People just won't listen out of spite now because they know if they keep playing, and don't say anything, YOU come off looking like the asshole in the reports.

It's all luck of the draw. In season 3, rolls happen faster. In Riots effort to ...move the game along, they just made it worse. A game is for the most part decided in the first 15 minutes. Some can turn it around, but if you have 2-3 incompetent people on your team (which seems to be every other game) it's really just a waste of time. After playing this game for so long, you get a sense of what is possible and what is not. Unfortnately , many people don't see it that way and will draw a losing game out forever. They won't actually change the way they play because they refuse to listen to what anyone says, so you still end up losing. The sad part is YOU are forced to remain in the game or YOU'll be the one who's banned.

This is the biggest flaw in the Tribunal. People don't get banned for trolling. If you say anything to anyone (no matter how nicely), you are the asshole. They've figured out that since only chat logs are really used, they can just not say anything and a report is useless. Enemy teams are very unreliable as reporters as well. Ultimately, the Tribunal is a failure in the end because anyone can just start over. The only real way to fix this is to have streams of every game that is reported, however, who wants to sit through those?

I know someones going to try to counter everything I just said, however realize I'm talking solo queue. Not teams, not tourney players who practice with each other and are on voice chat and all those other things that don't apply to the standard players who are just trying to get a decent random team to play with. Like the last pick who didn't get the role they want because the first pick with 2 wins takes it so rather than dodge they just afk at the game start and since the person who took it has so little experience they feed, but you have the 1 person who's carrying the team and so 20 minutes draws out to 40 minutes, then you lose. It really doesn't matter if it's normals or ranked.

"Good games" are practically non existent anymore. You either win or you lose. There is no "close"


**After typing this out I realized, that no..I do not enjoy this game anymore. It puts me in a bad mood and makes me hate humanity. Even when you're winning you have people being hateful and just plain vile. I keep playing for those glimpses of wins that make you feel good, but since as I stated above, there are no what are considered good matches, just rolls...there's not much enjoyment in it. It's too predictable. I played Eve for over 4 years and never raged at my screen as much as this game makes me rage. LOL.

 

[nsafreak]

The biggest issue I've been seeing is people won't ward. Flat out refuse. One game (the entire team) told me that if you had map awareness you don't need wards. The funny thing is, I was telling them because THEY kept getting ganked. People just won't listen out of spite now because they know if they keep playing, and don't say anything, YOU come off looking like the asshole in the reports.

It's all luck of the draw. In season 3, rolls happen faster. In Riots effort to ...move the game along, they just made it worse. A game is for the most part decided in the first 15 minutes. Some can turn it around, but if you have 2-3 incompetent people on your team (which seems to be every other game) it's really just a waste of time. After playing this game for so long, you get a sense of what is possible and what is not. Unfortnately , many people don't see it that way and will draw a losing game out forever. They won't actually change the way they play because they refuse to listen to what anyone says, so you still end up losing. The sad part is YOU are forced to remain in the game or YOU'll be the one who's banned.

This is the biggest flaw in the Tribunal. People don't get banned for trolling. If you say anything to anyone (no matter how nicely), you are the asshole. They've figured out that since only chat logs are really used, they can just not say anything and a report is useless. Enemy teams are very unreliable as reporters as well. Ultimately, the Tribunal is a failure in the end because anyone can just start over. The only real way to fix this is to have streams of every game that is reported, however, who wants to sit through those?

I know someones going to try to counter everything I just said, however realize I'm talking solo queue. Not teams, not tourney players who practice with each other and are on voice chat and all those other things that don't apply to the standard players who are just trying to get a decent random team to play with. Like the last pick who didn't get the role they want because the first pick with 2 wins takes it so rather than dodge they just afk at the game start and since the person who took it has so little experience they feed, but you have the 1 person who's carrying the team and so 20 minutes draws out to 40 minutes, then you lose. It really doesn't matter if it's normals or ranked.

"Good games" are practically non existent anymore. You either win or you lose. There is no "close"


**After typing this out I realized, that no..I do not enjoy this game anymore. It puts me in a bad mood and makes me hate humanity. Even when you're winning you have people being hateful and just plain vile. I keep playing for those glimpses of wins that make you feel good, but since as I stated above, there are no what are considered good matches, just rolls...there's not much enjoyment in it. It's too predictable. I played Eve for over 4 years and never raged at my screen as much as this game makes me rage. LOL.

Ouch, I feel for you man. You might want to check out the lowelo community (no they're not called this because of skill level) and see if they help you enjoy the game a bit more again. They have 3 main chat rooms (since the first two frequently get full) lowelo, lowelo2 and lowelo3. People form up groups of 5 in those rooms and the formed team generally gets on skype for voice communication. I've generally found that the games are enjoyable and we typically have good games. Yes there are times where I've been on a team that absolutely gets rolled but when there is not a way to turn it around we can all typically see it and surrender when appropriate.

 

[Fenixgoon]

is anyone on here named "badmustard"? i keep getting friend requests from you.

 

[billbobaggins87]

ya i see that.. its funny i can barely get a 1200 rating however when were playing ranked 5's my bot lane combo has been destroying people who have 15k-18k .. we got destroyed by a almost full plat team though.. that was impressive how badly we got shut down. makes me wish i could have recorded that game..

 

[zebano]

Hahah, yah super passive soraka lanes with an ADC that has a good escape means that kill bot lanes have a harder time without help trying to kill that lane.

Anything else, ziggs is effing OP as support against. I was even having 500+ ping and was still laying waste with Ziggs support

A passive lane with a soraka support means without jungler help, it is basically a farm fest in bot lane. Now a soraka that focuses on offense instead of defense... those get destroyed early. It's the super passive play that's effing annoying.



Oh, one thing I saw lately that I found funny as hell. Nunu or heimer with Banner of Command. Effing RIDICULOUS when you use the banner to make a super canon minion when the other person is not expecting it in lane. Early on, those super canon minions DESTROY champs. Been watching a few high elo players use that combo. Nunu works well because he can Blood Boil the Canon minion after making it super. Just wait for aggression to happen, pop the banner and blood boil and watch the canon minion rape the person attacking you. Hilariously funny. With heimer, between that minion, and his turrets he takes down objectives insanely fast. I watched a game where a 4 man gank went top against Vman playing heimer. He popped banner, popped his ult, and hit 3 of them with his grenade to stun them. He killed them all 1v4 that way at level 10ish. It was hilarious to watch.

The other combos I've been seeing a lot is The Teleport with Homeguard boots on some champs. Phantomlord does this with a Revive Teleport Karthus. He rushes homeguard boots to make massive plays. WingsOfDeath has been doing a Rammus top lane with teleport and flash combo. He rushes homeguard as well. Starts his powerball and teleports in. No one gets away from that and it's funny as heck.

First off I've been terrible in S3, trying to learn Hecarim on the fly in ranked and ... well had some good games but I've blown at least 4 games where my team started out up in kills 7-3 +the first two dragons or something similar. I just don't know how to play him in teamfights... ugg.

I love the teleport homeguard combo... just hilarious.

Offensive Soraka is the only way to play Soraka and unless you have something like taric-graves is usually fairly effective. Like everything else it's dependent upon matchup but it's hardly the boring heal fest you imply. Playing against a Ezreal + Sona the other day I was able to eventually just zone them by constantly harassing more than the Sona could heal but it helped that I dodged 90% of the Ez's skill-shots.

Anyway offensive Soraka... is easy to play and highly effective. I almost

 

[EDUSAN]

anyone have been playing with VI?

i have been jungling her but i have no idea how i should build her... if go Tank or go DPS
if use 21/9 masteries or 0/21/9 or 9/21

and what items to build... im doing lantern, frozen mallet, but its so little damage...i dont know

what are the pros building on her?

 

[HumblePie]

anyone have been playing with VI?

i have been jungling her but i have no idea how i should build her... if go Tank or go DPS
if use 21/9 masteries or 0/21/9 or 9/21

and what items to build... im doing lantern, frozen mallet, but its so little damage...i dont know

what are the pros building on her?

Vi works as a bruiser best. Straight up. You can build her straight AD, but she'll be a bit squish. Her passive, like malphites, works off her max HP.

Speaking of hp route, health + health regen tanking is OP again. Seriously stupidly OP. I did a few games with tank sona and tank nidalee like that. I stood with a tank nidalee next to an full 6 item Ezreal and he couldn't kill me. Not even close. I was tanking 1v5 like nothing.

Elise Miracle, Warmogs, Spirit Visage, and pure health and/or regen after that. Since Warmogs now adds percentage regen based on your max health.... yah I was hitting like 230+ hp per 5 seconds. All you see is constant +46 health ticks flying over my head. With a natural heal on top, of which gets boosted, you can laugh all day late game as thank with that build. Disgusting.

But back to Vi.

Good items are anything AD. Anything that adds attack speed, since her W works off every 3rd hit so higher attack speed means more % damage output, and anything that adds to health. There are lots of choices and you really can't go wrong with them. I personally like getting Zerker boots on her with the Iceborn Gauntlets for my tenacity. The other two main items for her are Black Cleaver and Tri Force. Health, armor pen, attack speed, more AD, and mobility are all her strengths.

On a side note. One champ I still find really strong in game right now is Khaziks. His ability to blow up any squishy with 1 or 2 shots at most and get the hell away safely changes how team fights are done. He is game changing and I almost say game breaking. Most of the high elo players are picking or banning him for a reason right now.

 

[zebano]

I agree with Humble about Kha'ziks/Vi/Jax - mobility creep is totally out of control right now IMO and those three's ability to just slaughter squishy champs is just stupid. One reason I'm failing as Hecarim if I don't win the early game is that I can ult 4 people but the jax can slaughter my AD in no time and I simply can't peel very effectively whereas when I played Cho'Gath I had a lot more ability to protect my squishy's (Silence is OP) while also being a good initiator.

 

[HumblePie]

I agree with Humble about Kha'ziks/Vi/Jax - mobility creep is totally out of control right now IMO and those three's ability to just slaughter squishy champs is just stupid. One reason I'm failing as Hecarim if I don't win the early game is that I can ult 4 people but the jax can slaughter my AD in no time and I simply can't peel very effectively whereas when I played Cho'Gath I had a lot more ability to protect my squishy's (Silence is OP) while also being a good initiator.

Yah, right now with Khazik, Vi, Jax, and other squishy killers, it changes the game up a bit. Those three aren't just bruisers or melee assassins. They are bruiser assassins.

For example, I consider Darius or Garen a good bruiser champ. Somewhat tanky, good dps output, and can get the job done. But they are in your face champs and have to get in your face. They have no real escape and no real gap closer. Garen has a bit more mobility than Darius, but Darius can use his ult more often in a team fight if done right. Since they have to get through the front line of the enemy team the hard way, they are also designed to take a little punishment to do so.

A melee assassin would be someone like Xin, Fizz, or other squishy champs, with high burst output, a gap closer, and a possible way of getting out alive. Their job is to dive through the front line with their gap closer, hope they aren't caught by a CC, destroy the enemy squishies in the back, and hope to get out alive. If focused, melee assassins usually just get melted. Which in some ways makes them harder to place on team comps.

Now you got what I call the bruiser assassins. They are the best of both worlds. Tanky like a bruiser with the burst and mobility of an assassin. Not only can they dive through the front line, and back out when their job is done, they can eliminate 1 or 2 squishie champs in the blink of an eye.

Their biggest draw back has always been that they can be whittled down against a poke comp team that draws out fights on towers. But Khaziks can sit back and poke all day while still being a bruiser assassin. It's actually stupid how powerful he is right now. Khaz fills the role of bruiser, assassin, and poker all day long without sacrificing anything. The only way they could have made him more powerful was to allow him to heal is team with his self heals.


As mentioned earlier, I agree season 3 is way more snow bally. First team to get 3+ kills ahead with a tower/dragon or 5+ kills without a global objective is going to win the game. It's not even going to be a close game once a lead gets established.

 

[crownjules]

Offensive Soraka is the only way to play Soraka and unless you have something like taric-graves is usually fairly effective. Like everything else it's dependent upon matchup but it's hardly the boring heal fest you imply. Playing against a Ezreal + Sona the other day I was able to eventually just zone them by constantly harassing more than the Sona could heal but it helped that I dodged 90% of the Ez's skill-shots.

Anyway offensive Soraka... is easy to play and highly effective. I almost

Almost....what?

I think your experience with offensive Soraka here sums it up. She can be aggressive against a no non-ult CC lane and get away with it. She has no fear of being locked in place and taking significant harass. So she's able to move in on you, poke away with E and AAs, and then run back and heal herself. But against a lane that can and will lock her down if she tries to approach? She'll likely survive, but then her next couple of heal cooldowns are going to be spent on herself.