LCD + gaming = okay?

[Radiohead]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: subhuman
I totally agree with NFS4 for once - don't let the specs decide it for you - actually spend 8 hours in front of your CRT, then 8 hours in front of an LCD (because an LCD does take a little getting used to), then tell me which one gives you less of a headache...

And I think Kingofcomputer has some very valid points, no need to bash him...

It's crazy in here, ain't it? These guys are spouting off numbers back and forth and try to sound "smarter" than the next person by seeing who can throw throw around the most technological terms and numbers. That's not the issue here!!

When you buy clothes, do you care about what percentage of the material is made up of lion's fur or what percentage of blue die is used in the process? Most likely not. But what do you do; you try it on to see how it feels. Do you buy a pair of shoes without first trying them on??

Same thing with a test drive, you can quote all the specs you want, but that test drive makes all the difference.

The point is, stop trying to turn this into a battle of who's smarter...in this case, it's not your booksense or computer knowledge that determines the better product, it's your eyes that determine that.

WORD!

 

[kgraeme]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Same thing with a test drive, you can quote all the specs you want, but that test drive makes all the difference.

Unfortunately, it's a pretty expensive test drive.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: kgraeme

Originally posted by: NFS4

Same thing with a test drive, you can quote all the specs you want, but that test drive makes all the difference.

Unfortunately, it's a pretty expensive test drive.

That's why places like Best Buy have LCD's and CRT's set up so that you can look at them

 

[Radiohead]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: kgraeme

Originally posted by: NFS4

Same thing with a test drive, you can quote all the specs you want, but that test drive makes all the difference.

Unfortunately, it's a pretty expensive test drive.

That's why places like Best Buy have LCD's and CRT's set up so that you can look at them

WORD!

 

[kgraeme]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: kgraeme

Originally posted by: NFS4

Same thing with a test drive, you can quote all the specs you want, but that test drive makes all the difference.

Unfortunately, it's a pretty expensive test drive.

That's why places like Best Buy have LCD's and CRT's set up so that you can look at them

Ah, on a splitter with all the displays showing some cheesy animation. They also tend to be the bottom of the barrel price versions. I can say that the ones I've seen there show too much ghosting for my eyes.

Of course, according to the BB commercials they encourage me to try everything out, so I'll be sure to go open up Mafia from their game aisle and install it on an Alienware just to try out.

Anywhere to see the Planar? I've thought of getting one on the various deals that come up, but I just can't spend that money sight unseen.

 

[everman]

Personally I"d just get a nice crt which will be bigger than any lcd you're looking at, at a lesser price. Ie: My 19" fd trinitron costs around 300 now I think, but a 19" LCD of the same high quality would be around 2-3x as much!
As for being ok, it depends on the model, that is response time ect. I"d just go w/ a nice crt myself though

 

[BFG10K]

I run all my games at 1280x1024 either with or without FSAA...depends on the game.

The problem is that you don't have a choice in the matter, unless you want a screwy display. CRTs can run at any resolution they like because their pixels physically change to whatever size is required. That means no smearing, stretching or squashing of the image.

The ability to change the resolution is especially important in FPSes because it allows you to scale the game to your own tastes and hardware abilities. It's ludicrous to be locked into 1280 x 1024 at all times and just suck it up if you have performance problems, likewise it's annoying as hell if you have expensive hardware powerful enough to push games fast enough at 1600 x 1200 or beyond.

Refresh rates really don't matter as much (if at all) with LCD's so I don't see that as being a "plus" for CRT's.

Yes they do. You can loosely derive the refresh rate from an LCD by simply using the pixel response time. The fact is that most LCDs will translate to around a 50-60 Hz refresh while CRTs will easily go in excess of 85-100 Hz. That means better gaming on the CRT for the likes of first person shooters, flight sims, racing games or anywhere else where the framerate directly controls the interaction in the game.

Maybe for general office work LCDs would be OK to free up desk space and save a little power but there's no way in hell that I'd ever use one for gaming. Or for pro graphics work. Or for many other things.

response time can be translated to fps, but not Hz.

Actually it can be translated to both because Hz and FPS are essentially the same thing.

even in CRT, for example, you're playing a 60 fps game at 100Hz refresh rate. can you say you're playing the game at 60 Hz?

That is a strawman argument and you are deliberately missing the point. Hz and FPS are essentially the same thing because both are the unit of measure for the number of times your screen is updating per second. And any response time (such as 25 ms) can be converted to the same unit of measure. It's not always 100% accurate with LCDs but loosely it does work.

which is still okay for gaming, as 24 fps is already smooth to human eyes.

24 FPS is not even remotely close to being smooth.

 

[novon]

LCDs are deffinetly worth it - I've got the corena 17" with built in TV, the colors are much brighter and your eyes don't get strained after prolonged viewing.

Get one!

 

[bbrontosaurus]

Originally posted by: tart666
Check out the new Hitachi CML174 17" LCD for gamers:

Pixel rise time: 12ms
fall time: 4 ms
viewing angle: 160° vertical and horizontal
260 cd/m2
400:1

Pretty sweet, eh?

The Hitachi sounds like the monitor us gamers are looking for....it's supposed to be shipping on Nov 8th. Lowest price I've seen is $630 shipped. Check out those reponse times!

 

[Novgrod]

Would you prefer a 17" lcd with dvi or a 18" without--otherwise equal?

thanks in advance.

 

[azkiwi]

Interesting that despite many posts here from gamers running LCDs a few (vociferous!) CRT guys insist that they are no good for gaming. I note a distinct lack of LCD owners saying their panels suck for gaming...

Despite the Hitachi CML174 being held aloft as the tits in TFT, the recent (only?) discerning head-to-head review relayed that ghosting and color differences between it and a budget 17" were less than startling.

You be the judge.

Go with DVI. Don't get built-in speakers.

 

[Lore]

I've been using a Dell 2000FP since April 2002 and it's been absolutely amazing. I would never go back to a CRT (even if it were just for the fact that all the text is so much sharper and there are no convergence/focus issues). Not to mention the space savings, weight savings, and the sexiness of the unit... =)

Never a CRT again. Now, I just need to find good deals for the rest of my family so they can enjoy computing as much as I do now.