LCD + gaming = okay?

[whistleclient]

Thinking about getting an LCD screen (Dell UltraSharp 1702FP 17" Digital 1280x1024 LCD) but i've heard in the past that they're were problems with refresh rates for gaming. is that still the case? i play FPS mostly-- Wolfenstein and Battlefield1942. any comments would be appreciated. thanks.

 

[Wolfsraider]

if you check the specs of the lcd you buy you can avoid most of the problems with ghosting etc

1.pixel response less than or at least 35ms lower is better
2.brightness 250 or higher higher is better
3.contrast 350:1 or higher higher is better
4.Viewing Angle of at least 80/80 but higher is better

the better lcd's are
1.25ms or less
2.350 or more
3.450:1 or higher
4160/150 or 160/160

ymmv but these are an easy way to rule out the under performers

mike

 

[Tab]

I am using a NEC MultiSync LCD1530v and I have no problems with Ghosting. However, I barley get above 40FPS because my video card sucks

 

[zippy]

For some reason Jedi Knight II ghosts some for me - it's only in certain places though (it might be when there is a bright background, dark foreground, and lots of movement - I'll confirm this later today). UT2k3 doesn't really ghost though.

I have the Planar CT1904Z LCD.

 

[aceO07]

Originally posted by: Tabb
I am using a NEC MultiSync LCD1530v and I have no problems with Ghosting. However, I barley get above 40FPS because my video card sucks

I have a Planar 17.4" and no problems either. I barely get above 40fps too.. I don't notice ghosting in games, but I can produce if I wanted. There are certain color combinations that can cause ghosting.

 

[optimistic]

SHould get an LCD of 25ms response time and faster. I tired one with 30ms, and it still looks a little gritty to me. The monitor was an Samsung 151S.

 

[zephyrprime]

Get a FFD lcd.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Get a FFD lcd.

...which aren't available yet.

 

[boyRacer]

I have a Sony LCD... which is one of the crappy ones since it only has an analog connector... it has slight ghosting but its barely noticeable. Response time of 30ms... I used to have the Sony widescreen which had a resonse time of 22ms but not only was it more expensive but it was also smaller. I think my poor wallet is happier this way... and my GF3 doesn't have DVI.

 

[Keego]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Get a FFD lcd.

...which aren't available yet.

...which won't be available to regular consumers for at least another year.

 

[Keego]

I'm also looking for a gaming LCD, I think I've got my sites on the Viewsonic VX800, but I want to see some reviews first, and there aren't any!

newegg's info about viewsonic vx800

 

[zippy]

Originally posted by: Keego

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Get a FFD lcd.

...which aren't available yet.

...which won't be available to regular consumers for at least another year.

...which is incorrect.

Envision says November release

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: tangent1138
Thinking about getting an LCD screen (Dell UltraSharp 1702FP 17" Digital 1280x1024 LCD) but i've heard in the past that they're were problems with refresh rates for gaming. is that still the case? i play FPS mostly-- Wolfenstein and Battlefield1942. any comments would be appreciated. thanks.

The 1702FP has a low response time and good brightness/viewing angles- it's an excellent panel for gaming.

 

[Keego]

Originally posted by: zippy

Originally posted by: Keego

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Get a FFD lcd.

...which aren't available yet.

...which won't be available to regular consumers for at least another year.

...which is incorrect.

Envision says November release

From that article's forum talk:

The latest word (from an NEC employee, in the ArsTechnica forums) is that it will be at least another year (!) before the technology is mainstream. Apparently it is quite expensive, and will be used initially in very high-end products.

 

[metroplex]

My IBM ITUX97, the 15.1" Ultra XGA LCD for my Laptop, has a refresh rate of 60 Hz for all resolutions.

Playing games like Rainbow Six makes it appear as if I'm watching a movie... not my idea of a good time, but i don't see any weird artifacts.

 

[JellyBaby]

Because I'm an avid gamer, there's no way I'd buy an LCD right now. Just too many disadvantages. Perhaps in another 2 or 3 years.

 

[zippy]

Originally posted by: Keego
From that article's forum talk:

The latest word (from an NEC employee, in the ArsTechnica forums) is that it will be at least another year (!) before the technology is mainstream. Apparently it is quite expensive, and will be used initially in very high-end products.

I dunno, if you check my thread you'll see that I received a response from Envision that FFD would be available in November on an 18" LCD for only $699 (analog only). I suppose one or the other is wrong - only time will tell. Or a few more emails to LCD manufacturers.

 

[whistleclient]

what's FFD?

 

[FishTankX]

It's applying higher voltages than required to get a faster switch.

If you want a RL example, it's like your Boss trying to get you to go to work faster by telling you you'll be fired if you don't arrive at work in 10 minutes. It's aplying more pressure than is needed to achieve a faster switch. Now here's the second part.

once the apropriate level has been reached, it automatically switches to normal pressure to get it to stabilize at that color.

A RL example of that would be your boss saying (Continuing from the above example) "You're 40 seconds late, but what the hell, I won't fire you."

This cuts the response time in more than a half. Which is pretty awesome. I mean, they were talking about 15MS response times.

 

[Keego]

Originally posted by: zippy

Originally posted by: Keego
From that article's forum talk:

The latest word (from an NEC employee, in the ArsTechnica forums) is that it will be at least another year (!) before the technology is mainstream. Apparently it is quite expensive, and will be used initially in very high-end products.

I dunno, if you check my thread you'll see that I received a response from Envision that FFD would be available in November on an 18" LCD for only $699 (analog only). I suppose one or the other is wrong - only time will tell. Or a few more emails to LCD manufacturers.

I'm in the market for an 18" LCD but I'd like DVI.

 

[Kingofcomputer]

FFD is hype.

Current PVA, MVA panel already can do 25ms, high brightness, high contrast, high viewing angle.

PVA - Samsung 17" or above
MVA - anything using Fujitsu panel - Fujitsu's own brand LCD, Viewsonic (except VE line).

 

[JKing76]

In the previous thread mentioned above, I already destroyed your unsupported claim that FFD is nothing but hype.

 

[tart666]

Check out the new Hitachi CML174 17" LCD for gamers:

Pixel rise time: 12ms
fall time: 4 ms
viewing angle: 160° vertical and horizontal
260 cd/m2
400:1

Pretty sweet, eh?

 

[JellyBaby]

The best discussion of the pros and cons of LCDs was in this LCD roundup. It basically confirmed what I already knew: avoid LCDs for another year or two.

 

[tart666]

It basically confirmed what I already knew: avoid LCDs for another year or two.

Did you even read?? The new Hitachi has response time 12ms/4ms. 17", DVI, lotsa goodness for $699 retail. Shipping early november.

Instead of a year or two you just have to wait A WEEK OR TWO!