Latest state polls. Obama surpasses McCain in FL and OH

[retrospooty]

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...bama_vs_mccain/?map=10

The funny thing is, this is 100% McCain and McCain campaign's self inflicted wounds.

- Economy is fundamantally strong comment
- I am suspending my campaign to deal with this crisis (how strong is it now?).
- Mean spirited condescending attitude turned independants off.
- hero McCain takes credit for getting the bill enough support to pass.
- Bailout loses in house - OOOPS! well... "Now is not the time to point blame, but its Obama's fault"

 

[miketheidiot]

good we didn't have enough threads about polls

 

[SP33Demon]

Like I said before, Obama can just sit back and let McCain sink his own ship. I'm just waiting for some more of his impetuous nature to come out, like saying he wants to "fire" the Chairman of the SEC Chris Cox. The man clearly doesn't think before he speaks at times.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
good we didn't have enough threads about polls

Well, I didnt see any on the whole first page so.... Consider this whine fodder. =)

Anyhow, the fact that Obama took the lead in FLA and Ohio is newsworthy. So is the fact that he leads the electoral count by a large margin now.

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...bama_vs_mccain/?map=10

The funny thing is, this is 100% McCain and McCain campaign's self inflicted wounds.

- Economy is fundamantally strong comment
- I am suspending my campaign to deal with this crisis (how strong is it now?).
- Mean spirited condescending attitude turned independants off.
- hero McCain takes credit for getting the bill enough support to pass.
- Bailout loses in house - OOOPS! well... "Now is not the time to point blame, but its Obama's fault"

Yes!

And...when voters wake up Friday morning and ask themselves if they want to risk having a dipshit no-nothing moron Alaskan governor for Prez, I suspect the tide will roll in like Katrina. The electorate is quickly learning that the "Straight-Talk Express" is more like the Andrea Doria fillled with the criminally insane from St. Elizabeth's Hospital.

-Robert

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...bama_vs_mccain/?map=10

The funny thing is, this is 100% McCain and McCain campaign's self inflicted wounds.

- Economy is fundamantally strong comment
- I am suspending my campaign to deal with this crisis (how strong is it now?).
- Mean spirited condescending attitude turned independants off.
- hero McCain takes credit for getting the bill enough support to pass.
- Bailout loses in house - OOOPS! well... "Now is not the time to point blame, but its Obama's fault"

You and Obama need to get your talking points straight.

Watch this nice 8 second clip of Obama
link
So Obama is now saying the same thing McCain did, but McCain took hell for the comment and Obama gets a pass??

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: retrospooty

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...bama_vs_mccain/?map=10

The funny thing is, this is 100% McCain and McCain campaign's self inflicted wounds.

- Economy is fundamantally strong comment
- I am suspending my campaign to deal with this crisis (how strong is it now?).
- Mean spirited condescending attitude turned independants off.
- hero McCain takes credit for getting the bill enough support to pass.
- Bailout loses in house - OOOPS! well... "Now is not the time to point blame, but its Obama's fault"

You and Obama need to get your talking points straight.

Watch this nice 8 second clip of Obama
link
So Obama is now saying the same thing McCain did, but McCain took hell for the comment and Obama gets a pass??

PJ, the GOP would be proud to have an ally like you follow him at any cost.

 

[RightIsWrong]

OP....you should add that the latest polls show Obama +15 in PA.

This could be the perfect storm of elections and end up one of the biggest landslides in history. (Note that I said "one of"...ain't no one getting hammered as bad as McGovern)

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: retrospooty

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...bama_vs_mccain/?map=10

The funny thing is, this is 100% McCain and McCain campaign's self inflicted wounds.

- Economy is fundamantally strong comment
- I am suspending my campaign to deal with this crisis (how strong is it now?).
- Mean spirited condescending attitude turned independants off.
- hero McCain takes credit for getting the bill enough support to pass.
- Bailout loses in house - OOOPS! well... "Now is not the time to point blame, but its Obama's fault"

You and Obama need to get your talking points straight.

Watch this nice 8 second clip of Obama
link
So Obama is now saying the same thing McCain did, but McCain took hell for the comment and Obama gets a pass??

There's no date on the video.

 

[Shortass]

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: retrospooty

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...bama_vs_mccain/?map=10

The funny thing is, this is 100% McCain and McCain campaign's self inflicted wounds.

- Economy is fundamantally strong comment
- I am suspending my campaign to deal with this crisis (how strong is it now?).
- Mean spirited condescending attitude turned independants off.
- hero McCain takes credit for getting the bill enough support to pass.
- Bailout loses in house - OOOPS! well... "Now is not the time to point blame, but its Obama's fault"

You and Obama need to get your talking points straight.

Watch this nice 8 second clip of Obama
link
So Obama is now saying the same thing McCain did, but McCain took hell for the comment and Obama gets a pass??

PJ, the GOP would be proud to have an ally like you follow him at any cost.

He brings up a decent point - just because he's a fool doesn't make all of his points invalid.

That point aside, McCain is certainly looking weak right now, and with the VP debate coming up I don't see it looking any better for him anytime soon. He needs to invent a more lasting gimmick, because the ones he's been trying are failing to a staggering degree. Maybe he should postpone the election because of a terrorist threat!

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: retrospooty

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...bama_vs_mccain/?map=10

The funny thing is, this is 100% McCain and McCain campaign's self inflicted wounds.

- Economy is fundamantally strong comment
- I am suspending my campaign to deal with this crisis (how strong is it now?).
- Mean spirited condescending attitude turned independants off.
- hero McCain takes credit for getting the bill enough support to pass.
- Bailout loses in house - OOOPS! well... "Now is not the time to point blame, but its Obama's fault"

You and Obama need to get your talking points straight.

Watch this nice 8 second clip of Obama
link
So Obama is now saying the same thing McCain did, but McCain took hell for the comment and Obama gets a pass??

There's no date on the video.

Why would context matter? They just had to find some clip of Obama saying Fundamentals.

 

[Thump553]

I have consistently thought that there was not a chance any Democrat could possibly win in Florida, especially with Joe Lieberman down there trolling the nursing homes for McCain. I'm beginning to think I was wrong. This economic crisis and continuing stock market collapse is hurting McCain big time in Florida. I imagine there are a lot of retirees discussing among themselves how their retirement savings are going up in smoke. Wait until the quarterly statements starting coming in the mail (late this week, early next)-the trend will accelerate.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

This is starting to look like Reagan-Mondale.

I think people are going to start wildly swinging towards Obama in the coming weeks. People were unsure about him, McCain even had a post convention lead, but the economic news and a strong debate performance has turned things around dramatically. Those who were scared of Obama are now saying, "oh he's not so bad, we like him". Game over.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Thump553
I have consistently thought that there was not a chance any Democrat could possibly win in Florida

thegreatshlep is working

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: retrospooty

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...bama_vs_mccain/?map=10

The funny thing is, this is 100% McCain and McCain campaign's self inflicted wounds.

- Economy is fundamantally strong comment
- I am suspending my campaign to deal with this crisis (how strong is it now?).
- Mean spirited condescending attitude turned independants off.
- hero McCain takes credit for getting the bill enough support to pass.
- Bailout loses in house - OOOPS! well... "Now is not the time to point blame, but its Obama's fault"

You and Obama need to get your talking points straight.

Watch this nice 8 second clip of Obama
link
So Obama is now saying the same thing McCain did, but McCain took hell for the comment and Obama gets a pass??

That was a nice ... You respond to only 1 of 5 lines... and its weak at that. You are such a right wing Douchebag-Tool (or is it Tool-Douchebag?) it isnt even funny. You follow the right, at all costs, whether you make sense or not.

Obama has been saying there was a problem from day 1, and vocal about it. You take one 8 second clip - so we cant hear what was right before and right after and there is zero context and make an issue of it. Clearly he was talking about something right before the comment. You care to show the whole thing and I will respond... But you cant, because it wont make your point, it will make mine.

Anyhow the point is not that Obama said this or that... The point is that McCains actions over the past few weeks show that he is impulsive, explosive, divisive and unfit to lead.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Like I said before, Obama can just sit back and let McCain sink his own ship. I'm just waiting for some more of his impetuous nature to come out, like saying he wants to "fire" the Chairman of the SEC Chris Cox. The man clearly doesn't think before he speaks at times.

You know, I dont mind that he sometimes speaks without thinking. That could be called being human, or just passionate, and could even be a good thing... My issue with McCain is that he seems to take action without thinking, or at least thinking clearly. He didnt just real quick forst off the cuff thing fly to washington last week and suspend his campaign. That took forethought and effort. He really seems confused and in over his head lately. That isnt "not thinking before talking" that is being just like George Bush - taking bad actions without clear thought to the consequences of those actions.

 

[nageov3t]

nice to see Obama finally performing at the level where he should have been all along, even if it took the complete implosion of Palin to get him there.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: loki8481
nice to see Obama finally performing at the level where he should have been all along, even if it took the complete implosion of the economy to get him there.

Fixed.

The American people need some arm-twisting sometimes, for their own good.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: retrospooty

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...bama_vs_mccain/?map=10

The funny thing is, this is 100% McCain and McCain campaign's self inflicted wounds.

- Economy is fundamantally strong comment
- I am suspending my campaign to deal with this crisis (how strong is it now?).
- Mean spirited condescending attitude turned independants off.
- hero McCain takes credit for getting the bill enough support to pass.
- Bailout loses in house - OOOPS! well... "Now is not the time to point blame, but its Obama's fault"

You and Obama need to get your talking points straight.

Watch this nice 8 second clip of Obama
link
So Obama is now saying the same thing McCain did, but McCain took hell for the comment and Obama gets a pass??

There's no date on the video.

What other 'immediate' problem could he be speaking off?

The tape is from the past week if not a few days.

 

[jpeyton]

Landslide baby!

It's coming.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Landslide baby!

It's coming.

I'm thinking people outside the P&N bubble have had little exposure to Obama and are just now tuning in to the race. After the barage of chain emails they've gotten, for the first time they are seeing Obama speak on the issues. And guess what? He's not the psycho muslim terrorist naive waif he was painted as. People are watching him for the first time and they are seeing someone they think is actually capable of being president. Those on the fence who don't want another republican were probably worried that Obama was a weakling with little grasp of what we faced as a nation. I'm thinking his strong performance in the debate Friday had a serious effect on those people.

McCain can repeat his phrase about "Obama just doesn't understand" but when Obama then gives a detailed two minute dissertation on every issue raised in the debate, people wonder what it is that McCain is saying Obama doesn't get.

McCain can keep saying he's putting the country first, but his most visible and important decision in the past few months is walking around spouting gibberish to Katie Couric. Moderate people are not pleased with that pick, they don't see Palin as a viable fill-in should McCain become ill or incapacitated. He did not put his country first in his VP selection, and people are starting to pay attention to deeds more than words.

 

[Lemon law]

I think the tendency to blame McCain for his own campaign woes is largely misplaced. Its the record of GWB and the larger GOP that is more to blame for McCain's tanking poll numbers.

The chickens of eight years of bad governance are all coming home to roost at the worst possible time for McCain. Maybe some future good news external events will help stop the bleeding for McCain,
but sadly, for McCain, on a cause and effect basis, most of all new news will probably benefit the democrats.

I might as well blow my own horn because no one else will, but I said way back in July and earlier, McCain had to take firm control of the GOP and kick GWB to the curb after he had the nomination wrapped up, McCain did not, and now he appears doomed. And now that the economy is tanking, McCain has no real remaining reformer credibility because he straddled the GWB fence too long. And when it comes to the economy, it was a McCain open mouth, insert foot, for McCain to say, the economy is not my area of expertise. Especially when McCain's economic advisers are lobbyists and Phil mental recession Gramm and Obama has a blue ribbon panel real economic experts.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I think the tendency to blame McCain for his own campaign woes is largely misplaced. Its the record of GWB and the larger GOP that is more to blame for McCain's tanking poll numbers.

The chickens of eight years of bad governance are all coming home to roost at the worst possible time for McCain. Maybe some future good news external events will help stop the bleeding for McCain,
but sadly, for McCain, on a cause and effect basis, most of all new news will probably benefit the democrats.

I might as well blow my own horn because no one else will, but I said way back in July and earlier, McCain had to take firm control of the GOP and kick GWB to the curb after he had the nomination wrapped up, McCain did not, and now he appears doomed. And now that the economy is tanking, McCain has no real remaining reformer credibility because he straddled the GWB fence too long. And when it comes to the economy, it was a McCain open mouth, insert foot, for McCain to say, the economy is not my area of expertise. Especially when McCain's economic advisers are lobbyists and Phil mental recession Gramm and Obama has a blue ribbon panel real economic experts.

Absolutely... McCain started with a steep uphill climb to make. My Point is that he was tied just a ew weeks ago, and based solely on things he did to himself in hte past 2 weeks he lost it. He really looks confused and out of touch with whats going on.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I think the tendency to blame McCain for his own campaign woes is largely misplaced. Its the record of GWB and the larger GOP that is more to blame for McCain's tanking poll numbers.

Absolutely... McCain started with a steep uphill climb to make. My Point is that he was tied just a ew weeks ago, and based solely on things he did to himself in the past 2 weeks he lost it. He really looks confused and out of touch with whats going on.

Lemon has it right. The GOP's strategy for the last few decades (starting around the Nixon era) set them up for a massive gain of support followed by a massive loss. Their bleeding has really just begun. Their strategy worked quite well - it got multiple presidents elected and ultimately years of full control of Congress. But, they are victims of their own success. They promissed the world (and got elected), and rarely delivered (now it is time for them to lose elections). For example, they promissed to end abortion and to keep spending low. Decades later, abortion is still strong and Bush is spending like a madman. Those are just the two most obvious of many of their promise failures. The people are starting to catch on.

McCain really never had much of a chance with that background. Yes, Retrospooty, McCain had a very narrow (inside the margin of error) lead a few weeks back in one measurement. But, that was a post convention bounce that temporarilly gained excitement from disappointed Clinton supporters. But, there really was no McCain lead there if you look at it in detail. Take a look at the 2nd graph focussing on the true base EC votes. McCain's true support has been 150-220 EC votes for most of his election campaign. Obama has been on a steady incline. McCain's "lead" in early September wasn't McCain suddenly breaking past the 220 EC vote, but instead it was Obama dropping below his 250 EC vote level that he had been at for several months.

Obama lost Clinton supporters just as Clinton gave up. But that was temporary. They jumped right back to Obama last week. He is right back at his 250 EC vote level. It wasn't McCain that lost a lot in the last week - it was Obama that gained.

Obama still has never breached the 270 level of true support. But he is close and he is fairly steadily increasing. Look at the steady increase in that 2nd graph on the link above. Also, look at the increase in the overall picture of the Super Tracker. Sure, the Super Tracker has some wild oscillations, but those are just superimposed upon a steady increase from McCain +4 in January to Obama +6 now.

 

[Stoneburner]

Dear God... Obama up in MIssouri?

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/..._mn_mo_nv_va_92830.php

Also corroborates leads in FL and growing leads in MN and PA.