Neither? I would probably get the Q9450 from MicroCenter for $249.99 and then get a semi-decent board (hypothetically that is, since I wouldn't need a new board and I'm not looking to get a Yorkfield quad). I wouldn't want to deal with the hassle of having to sell off the ECS board.
bryanW1995
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Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Originally posted by: Drsignguy
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
yeah, I know what you guys mean...this x3350 @ 3.6 is way too slow for me...
Yeah, I feel your pain with my Q9450, and my Q6600, along with my E7200. I am pretty much going to wait this one out until all the early buying settles. Then I will think about it as I have Plenty here to keep me busy.
Who's gonna be laughing when I have the new socket 1366, not the extinct LGA 775? That's what I thought LOL.
yeah, we can both afford to buy and maintain 3 nice core2 systems but we won't be able to upgrade to nehalem
actually, I'm still going back and forth on whether to mess with nehalem right now. we'll see what dc results look like...
bryanW1995
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if you don't oc then you'll be hard pressed to get better perforance than q9xxx @ 3.6 ... even though that is on a dead socket.
About time those lazy mobo makers got off their asses and started using the other side of the mobo...there are 6 sides to these things after all, can't they at least take advantage of the 2 which have equally large surface area?
ram-drive dude. Superspeed's newest version enables you to setup a ramdrive in the memory above the 4GB limit on 32bit OS'es.
So load up with 24GB of DDR3 if you want and setup your 20GB ram-drive in the ram above the 4GB limit that Vista or XP doesn't see your ram. How cool is that?
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I THINK Abit just got taken over.
In the current generation, the difference between a "mainstream" chip and a "professional" Xeon chip is the label.
I've read on this site that initial releases of Nehalem will not outperform Penryns by any significant margin. This is because they're targeted at server and cloud computing platforms and fast database computations. For the stuff we do (according to the recent pieces on Nehalem here), they won't add any value and will cost substantially more. The other market segments will take their time coming out, as others have noted.
In your case, I wouldn't bother waiting. The Penryns absolutely smoke. Sounds like you can afford the best, too, so a Q9650 at a minimum would probably make you very very happy. So what if it's only DDR2? Heck, you can still invest in Penryn and a DDR3 high-end board, so at least you preserve your RAM investment.
Life is too short to run a NetBurst!
It beats SSD's by a tremendous long-shot as well, think about it, these kinds of ram-drives operate at your systems memory speed.
For i7 that will be what, 20+ GB/s? SSD's will be Sata 6Gb/s (that's bits versus bytes), even raided together and you are still limited by the PCIe bandwidth (usually no better than 1.2GB/s).
I've used superspeed on my desktop PC for ramdrive. It's nice. But I want more GB's. 6 dimms helps but 9 would be awesome considering the CPU is designed to go there already.
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I thought about buying one of the more expensive LGA775 boards with DDR3 and migrating the ram but that's risky since who knows what type of ram will be compatible or what we will really want. Better off just waiting, and DDR2 is so cheap right now (2GB for under $50, ridiculous)...
As for speeds, didn't Anandtech show a good 10-15% faster per-clock, and that was with a beta mobo with memory latency issues or something? Not that Penryn now isn't fast, but clearly Nehalem will be faster. Might not make sense to upgrade right away if you're sitting on a E6xxx or Q6xxx now but for those of us with older PCs (or ancient ones... P4 Prescott really??) it makes sense to wait instead of buying into a dead socket.
As for RAM disks, I have no use for something like that. I can't even imagine what you would use one for. The last time I used a RAM disk was probably on my Amiga with floppy disk only (no HDD)...
As for speeds, didn't Anandtech show a good 10-15% faster per-clock, and that was with a beta mobo with memory latency issues or something? Not that Penryn now isn't fast, but clearly Nehalem will be faster. Might not make sense to upgrade right away if you're sitting on a E6xxx or Q6xxx now but for those of us with older PCs (or ancient ones... P4 Prescott really??) it makes sense to wait instead of buying into a dead socket.
As for RAM disks, I have no use for something like that. I can't even imagine what you would use one for. The last time I used a RAM disk was probably on my Amiga with floppy disk only (no HDD)...
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Not saying don't wait for nehalem, but these prices are going down even further when i7 hits:
gtx260: 180
q6600: 170
e8400: 150
e8600: 240
gtx280: 380
4870x2: 460
4gb PC8500: 130
x38: 140
x48: 180
4850: 150
4870: 215
2.6g i7: 330
X58: 300
4gb DDR3: 400
4.2g E8400 /3.6g q6600: 150
P35: 70
4gb ddr2: 80
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Where did you get $400 for RAM? 2 x 2GB of DDR3 is $150 and I will never pay $300 for a mobo. More realistic pricing for the mobo is $200. CPU is said to be $284 but could be $300.
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damn ddr3 went down then. $150 for 4GB is nice. well hopefully you get the chip on an x58 for only $484 & add ram for $150, you're looking at only ~$630 for the mobo+cpu+ram.
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Well you're going to want 3 Dimms for Nehalem (tri-channel)! 2GB sticks are (right now) about $90ea, or $270 for 3 (=6GB).
I'd expect mobo prices at first to be about equiv. to what premium X48 (w/DDR3) boards were when they first came out, ie $200ish at least. I can deal with that really, I'd expect a board like that to last me at least 3-4 years, or at least 1 or 2 cpu upgrades. I mean the alternative is sink $100 into a 775 board now and another $100+ into a Nehalem board in 9-12 months.
I'd expect mobo prices at first to be about equiv. to what premium X48 (w/DDR3) boards were when they first came out, ie $200ish at least. I can deal with that really, I'd expect a board like that to last me at least 3-4 years, or at least 1 or 2 cpu upgrades. I mean the alternative is sink $100 into a 775 board now and another $100+ into a Nehalem board in 9-12 months.
Will the price of Core 2 quad and DDR2, P45 board drop a lot when Corei7 release?
I think many people who cannot afford core i7 will jump on old tech and the price will not go down....I also think about gettting core2 quad if I could not afford the new technology!
I think many people who cannot afford core i7 will jump on old tech and the price will not go down....I also think about gettting core2 quad if I could not afford the new technology
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Originally posted by: SniperZ
Will the price of Core 2 quad and DDR2, P45 board drop a lot when Corei7 release?
I think many people who cannot afford core i7 will jump on old tech and the price will not go down....I also think about gettting core2 quad if I could not afford the new technology
If it is ultra expensive, which I doubt, we can always go with the new AMD Deneb that's coming out with Core i7. I've never had an AMD throughout all my computers but I'm willing to try. The cool thing about the upcoming AM3 socket is that it's backwards comaptible with the current AM2+.
Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Originally posted by: SniperZ
Will the price of Core 2 quad and DDR2, P45 board drop a lot when Corei7 release?
I think many people who cannot afford core i7 will jump on old tech and the price will not go down....I also think about gettting core2 quad if I could not afford the new technology
If it is ultra expensive, which I doubt, we can always go with the new AMD Deneb that's coming out with Core i7. I've never had an AMD throughout all my computers but I'm willing to try. The cool thing about the upcoming AM3 socket is that it's backwards comaptible with the current AM2+.
Assuming that Deneb's price/performance is superior to Yorkfield at the time then yes it would be the wiser purchase.
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Fry's has a Intel Core 2 Quad Quad Core Processor Q8200 & MSI P45 NE03-FR Motherboard for $328.99. The deal is terrible but I'm surprised to see the new processor already bundled.
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I just picked up a 24" Samsung SyncMaster 245BW for $292 AR from Circuit City. That is the best 24" monitor deal ever.
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