Late-day bombshells erupt as Trump impeachment inquiry gets underway - onr word -- Imploding!!

[brandonbull]

You are confusing 2 different things!
#1 -- The Meuller report is finished, Done!
#2 -- It is wrong for a government official to ask a foreign country to investigate or dig up dirt on a political opponent@@!!
You probably did not know mthat so be it...

#3 Declaring your intention for seeking political office does not make you immune from criminal investigations.

 

[brandonbull]

Why did Trump withhold aid then? It's not relevant that the Ukrainians were unaware of it. What is relevant is why Trump did it.

So Trump was doing a quid pro quo using a secret quid? That is some next level mafia boss 3d chess move.

 

[fskimospy]

So Trump was doing a quid pro quo using a secret quid? That is some next level mafia boss 3d chess move.

First, the Ukrainians were very aware of it. Second, quid pro quo is totally unnecessary. A president asking a foreign power to criminally investigate his political rivals is something that warrants removal from office regardless of whether he offers anything in return for it. This sort of conduct is exactly what impeachment was made for - a president abusing the office for personal gain.

 

[Jhhnn]

First, the Ukrainians were very aware of it. Second, quid pro quo is totally unnecessary. A president asking a foreign power to criminally investigate his political rivals is something that warrants removal from office regardless of whether he offers anything in return for it. This sort of conduct is exactly what impeachment was made for - a president abusing the office for personal gain.

Correct. It's a violation of election law, plain & simple. Trump & Giuliani knew that before they did it. Directing the DNI to withhold the whistle blower complaint from Congress was also a violation of the law. The integrity of IG Atkinson is the only reason the report wasn't suppressed entirely.

 

[dainthomas]

The Mueller report being finished has nothing to do with investigating the reasons why it was done to begin with. It was instigated by the very popular and widely reported belief that Trump was colluding with Russia. No evidence of that collusion was found. Looking at how that was handled is perfectly acceptable.
Your second point is being investigated right now. The question will end up centering around plausible deniability. The fact that everyone "knows" Trump is guilty is meaningless, everyone "knew" he was working with Russia, until he wasn't.

If it's what you say I love it.

 

[thilanliyan]

No evidence of that collusion was found.

Please read the report again. Collusion, obstruction, etc were all there to see and if he wasn't a sitting president he would be charged.

 

[fskimospy]

Correct. It's a violation of election law, plain & simple. Trump & Giuliani knew that before they did it. Directing the DNI to withhold the whistle blower complaint from Congress was also a violation of the law. The integrity of IG Atkinson is the only reason the report wasn't suppressed entirely.

Right, if you spell out just what we know for certain it is absolutely damning:

1) Trump asks the president of Ukraine to do him a favor by investigating his political opponents.
2) Trump's staff takes that conversation and inappropriately places it in a super classified area.
3) A whistleblower attempts to alert the IC/Congress of these abuses of power.
4) AG Barr classifies the complaint top secret for no discernible reason, despite being personally named in the report as an offender, then directs the DNI to bury it.

That's not even getting into how he sent his personal lawyer instead of US government staff to pressure the Ukrainians separately, how their story keeps changing, how Giuliani said his purpose over there was to meddle in an investigation, etc. If you just look at the basic facts it's Trump committing a crime and then covering it up.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Hey! so let me tell you about this beautiful oceanfront property in Arizona! and you seem like just the kind of person who'd be interested..

Not too far from the truth.

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Especially if you factor in the 8 to 10 inches per century of sea level rise.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Barr stated that spying did occur. Now he's beating the bushes to find evidence to support the assertion, something he didn't have when he said it. Funny how that works. It's all distraction from Trump soliciting campaign dirt from Ukraine, which is illegal.

He did have evidence, unlike yourself in your claim on campaign dirt. It certainly wasn't in the call to the Ukraine president.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Right, if you spell out just what we know for certain it is absolutely damning:

1) Trump asks the president of Ukraine to do him a favor by investigating his political opponents.
2) Trump's staff takes that conversation and inappropriately places it in a super classified area.
3) A whistleblower attempts to alert the IC/Congress of these abuses of power.
4) AG Barr classifies the complaint top secret for no discernible reason, despite being personally named in the report as an offender, then directs the DNI to bury it.

That's not even getting into how he sent his personal lawyer instead of US government staff to pressure the Ukrainians separately, how their story keeps changing, how Giuliani said his purpose over there was to meddle in an investigation, etc. If you just look at the basic facts it's Trump committing a crime and then covering it up.

1) in the 2016 election, not the 2020 one.
2) well within the legal power of the President and especially given the number of leaks from the intelligence community.
3)Not a "whistleblower" since he/she had no firsthand knowledge of any alleged wrongdoing.
4)It's within the legal powers of the AG.

 

[fskimospy]

Someone brought up another horrible consequence of all this corruption by Trump and Barr:

If you’re a CIA agent and you see Russia, or China, or North Korea conducting an espionage operation against the US today that appears to have the goal of influencing our election do you do your job? If Russia’s preferred candidate wins maybe you now have the president attempting to ruin your career and maybe your life. I think plenty of people would think twice before deciding to defend America.

The damage this corrupt clown has done will take years and years to undo, if it can be undone.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Mueller report being finished has nothing to do with investigating the reasons why it was done to begin with. It was instigated by the very popular and widely reported belief that Trump was colluding with Russia. No evidence of that collusion was found. Looking at how that was handled is perfectly acceptable.
Your second point is being investigated right now. The question will end up centering around plausible deniability. The fact that everyone "knows" Trump is guilty is meaningless, everyone "knew" he was working with Russia, until he wasn't.

That's not quite true. Mueller found insufficient evidence to support charges of conspiracy, something notoriously difficult to prove. What set it off was when Trump fired Comey over alleged malfeasance in the Clinton investigation & then said it was done over the Russia thing. Comey's investigation into Russian meddling was entirely justified, something we both know all too well. It was Trump's first act of obstruction of justice & Rosenstein was forced to act.

Rosenstein letter appointing Mueller special counsel | DocumentCloud

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The initial investigation wasn't about Trump himself but rather about the people around him. He made it about himself with repeated attempts to thwart the investigation, otherwise known as obstruction of justice. Were he not President he obviously would have been charged & may yet be once he's out of office.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Someone brought up another horrible consequence of all this corruption by Trump and Barr:

If you’re a CIA agent and you see Russia, or China, or North Korea conducting an espionage operation against the US today that appears to have the goal of influencing our election do you do your job? If Russia’s preferred candidate wins maybe you now have the president attempting to ruin your career and maybe your life. I think plenty of people would think twice before deciding to defend America.

The damage this corrupt clown has done will take years and years to undo, if it can be undone.

Here's a broom, can you use it to clean up the straw?

 

[JEDIYoda]

The Mueller report being finished has nothing to do with investigating the reasons why it was done to begin with. It was instigated by the very popular and widely reported belief that Trump was colluding with Russia. No evidence of that collusion was found. Looking at how that was handled is perfectly acceptable.
Your second point is being investigated right now. The question will end up centering around plausible deniability. The fact that everyone "knows" Trump is guilty is meaningless, everyone "knew" he was working with Russia, until he wasn't.

How can you post all your misinformation when not word you stated is true??

 

[Jhhnn]

He did have evidence, unlike yourself in your claim on campaign dirt. It certainly wasn't in the call to the Ukraine president.

What evidence do you speak of, Kimosabe? Barr has only offered accusations & innuendo. The evidence that Trump sought an illegal campaign contribution in the form of dirt on his opponents is right there in the transcript of the call, the whistle blower report & the statements of both Trump & Giuliani.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

What evidence do you speak of, Kimosabe? Barr has only offered accusations & innuendo. The evidence that Trump sought an illegal campaign contribution in the form of dirt on his opponents is right there in the transcript of the call, the whistle blower report & the statements of both Trump & Giuliani.

Nope, i sure haven't seen it. You must be reading things that aren't really there.

 

[VRAMdemon]

So we're back to whining about the Justice Department again I see . .

Originally Posted by The Actual President
Why isn’t Congressman Adam Schiff being brought up on charges for fraudulently making up a statement and reading it to Congress as if this statement, which was very dishonest and bad for me, was directly made by the President of the United States? This should never be allowed!

On the base level, this is highly disturbing. On the other hand, Trump once again demonstrates that he's incredibly pathetic about actually owning/using his authority. A good dictator would just order Barr to have Schiff arrested, and wouldn't make a huge public show about why it's not being done.

Maybe he'll even get frustrated and fire Barr like he did with Sessions, which would also be a good result. Barr knows exactly what he's doing

 

[Jhhnn]

Nope, i sure haven't seen it. You must be reading things that aren't really there.

Yeh, nobody has seen Barr's supposed evidence, have they? That's because he didn't have any when he made the accusation of "spying" & still doesn't. He likely never will.

 

[outriding]

1) in the 2016 election, not the 2020 one.
2) well within the legal power of the President and especially given the number of leaks from the intelligence community.
3)Not a "whistleblower" since he/she had no firsthand knowledge of any alleged wrongdoing.
4)It's within the legal powers of the AG.

1) Trump spoke to Zelensky who became president in May2019 so it will not be the 2016, but the 2020 one and Biden was not running in the 2016 election
2) Correct
3) TBD
4) No its not, since Barr was in the document he should have recused himself just like Jeff Sessions did

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[TeeJay1952]

The Walrus was Paul and Rudy is Q!
When history is written Rudy will be the hero.....who brought down Trump.
He didn't mean to but it will happen all the same.

 

[Vic]

So we're back to whining about the Justice Department again I see . .



On the base level, this is highly disturbing. On the other hand, Trump once again demonstrates that he's incredibly pathetic about actually owning/using his authority. A good dictator would just order Barr to have Schiff arrested, and wouldn't make a huge public show about why it's not being done.

Maybe he'll even get frustrated and fire Barr like he did with Sessions, which would also be a good result. Barr knows exactly what he's doing

What I really want to know is why do the President's tweets sound like they were written by a petulant child?

"very dishonest and bad for me"

"this should never be allowed"

Like a freaking child.. waahh

 

[Puffnstuff]

Lock them up....

 

[Vic]

Not too far from the truth.

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Especially if you factor in the 8 to 10 inches per century of sea level rise.

Wait, I thought Climate Change was a Chinese hoax?

 

[Matt390]

>2) well within the legal power of the President and especially given the number of leaks from the intelligence community

Incorrect. Classification is not based on how likely the information is to be illegally released, only by its content.

 

[hal2kilo]

Remember when the AG sitting with Bill Clinton on a tarmac for a few minutes was viewed by conservatives as some grand corruption?

Now you have the AG actively pressuring our allies to use their intelligence services to attack US intelligence in order to further the president’s political needs. What a difference having an R after their name seems to have.

Of course, the have D's in front of their names.