Late-day bombshells erupt as Trump impeachment inquiry gets underway - onr word -- Imploding!!

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hal2kilo

Lifer
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It stands to reason that anyone who stands to run against Trump is his political rival. If you can explain how someone who has the potential to unseat him in 2020 isn't a rival in the sense of competitor for Office, this would be your time. Of course anyone running would be a rival of everyone else because that's just what "rival" means in the English language.

As for the rest, it's difficult to imagine Zelensky being so obtuse that he'd fail to miss the immediate connection between Javelins and "we'd like a favor first" and that specifically being the Bidens.

BTW if people haven't seen it, not only is Volker testifying, but the IG is as well in an "urgent" matter. This will likely be done in a SCIF from what I've read, which means this is a serious business.
The meeting is happening now. Can't wait to find out what this is all about.
 

hal2kilo

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Quotes from the "transcript":


"The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.

President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly.. That I can assure you.

The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me. "

Didn't see where he said give me dirt on Biden. Trump was asking about questionable involvement of the VP, Biden, in the firing of Viktor Shokin. Trump wasn't trying to build a "dossier" like Clinton, the DNC, and Obama did in 2016.
Funny, you purposely left out the part right before where Zelenskly is talking about getting Javelin missiles. So dishonest.
 

Greenman

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He simply, if inelegantly, called you out your bald-faced lie. Under the new rules, are we still allowed to call people who lie, liars?
No idea if you can or not, nor do I really care. Though it's interesting that it's on your mind. Are you concerned that you won't be able to deliver a concise rebuttal without personal insults? If the above post is what you consider a logical argument, I certainly understand your trepidation.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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No idea if you can or not, nor do I really care. Though it's interesting that it's on your mind. Are you concerned that you won't be able to deliver a concise rebuttal without personal insults? If the above post is what you consider a logical argument, I certainly understand your trepidation.

When one lies, they are a liar. It's not an insult.
 

DarthKyrie

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Funny, you purposely left out the part right before where Zelenskly is talking about getting Javelin missiles. So dishonest.

Those missiles were already appropriated by Congress for the Ukraine, the President DOES NOT control appropriations that is the responsibility of the United States Congress.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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Asking about possible foreign interference and quid pro quo by the then current Vice President is not digging up dirt.

What would be the goal if not to discredit his political rival, Joe Biden? What other reason could there possibly be for spreading the rumor & illegally soliciting such information from a foreign govt?
 
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