UglyCasanova
Lifer
What a sh*tshow
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Late-day bombshells erupt as Trump impeachment inquiry gets underway - onr word -- Imploding!!
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Wait, your argument is that the leading candidate for the opposing party’s nomination is not the president’s political rival?
I’m frankly speechless. Like... what.
Factually false statement. The aid had been delayed for months prior to the call.
How do you get so many basic facts wrong?
DarthKyrie
Golden Member
It's entirely by choice I can guarantee that.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
Seems a little shady to me
I am sure if I went to Breitbart or places where Trump supporters gather, I believe “coup” is the term they’re now throwing around. Any topic about Trump will always entangle with the emotions of the election that awarded him the Presidency.
brandonbull
Diamond Member
Quotes from the "transcript":
Read Trump's phone conversation with Volodymyr Zelensky | CNN Politics
President Donald Trump repeatedly pushed for Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, and his son, Hunter, during a July 25 phone call, according to a transcript of the conversation released by the White House.
"The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly.. That I can assure you.
The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me. "
Didn't see where he said give me dirt on Biden. Trump was asking about questionable involvement of the VP, Biden, in the firing of Viktor Shokin. Trump wasn't trying to build a "dossier" like Clinton, the DNC, and Obama did in 2016.
Quotes from the "transcript":
Read Trump's phone conversation with Volodymyr Zelensky | CNN Politics
President Donald Trump repeatedly pushed for Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, and his son, Hunter, during a July 25 phone call, according to a transcript of the conversation released by the White House.www.cnn.com
"The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly.. That I can assure you.
The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me. "
Didn't see where he said give me dirt on Biden. Trump was asking about questionable involvement of the VP, Biden, in the firing of Viktor Shokin. Trump wasn't trying to build a "dossier" like Clinton, the DNC, and Obama did in 2016.
Oh, just in case you were looking for where he asked for dirt on Biden it's right here:
How hard was that to see?
Trump couldn't see it when he released the transcript & BB can't see it, either. It's a form of willful blindness, a way to hold on to a faulty belief structure. Conservatives would often rather live with their mistakes than admit they ever made any.
brandonbull
Diamond Member
Asking about possible foreign interference and quid pro quo by the then current Vice President is not digging up dirt.
Fanatical Meat
Lifer
It is, you can say it is not but close to nobody agrees. Keep shouting its not because no matter how much you shout it will be the same.
Careful what you wish for, assuming the President gets off without any consequences provided there is an investigation that indicates he has done this on more than one occasion. I will vote for any D candidate that says I will hump the shit out of this.
I don't want the humping part however if its being used against my goals I am all for using it to support my goals.
It is exactly that, it's asking for a foreign country to conduct an investigation of Biden. That's what investigations do.
You're engaging in maybe the most comically absurd motivated reasoning I've ever seen on here. You decided that the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination isn't Trump's political rival and that Trump asking for a criminal investigation of his rival isn't asking for dirt.
Truly amazing.
JEDIYoda
Lifer
Didn't see where he said give me dirt on Biden. Trump was asking about questionable involvement of the VP, Biden, in the firing of Viktor Shokin. Trump wasn't trying to build a "dossier" like Clinton, the DNC, and Obama did in 2016. -- seriously? It staring everyone in the face.....Quotes from the "transcript":
Read Trump's phone conversation with Volodymyr Zelensky | CNN Politics
President Donald Trump repeatedly pushed for Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, and his son, Hunter, during a July 25 phone call, according to a transcript of the conversation released by the White House.
"The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly.. That I can assure you.
The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me. "
Didn't see where he said give me dirt on Biden. Trump was asking about questionable involvement of the VP, Biden, in the firing of Viktor Shokin. Trump wasn't trying to build a "dossier" like Clinton, the DNC, and Obama did in 2016.
JEDIYoda
Lifer
Under the new forum rules repeating stuff over and over again that has proven not to be true could lead to an infraction......this ought to be good!!
Fanatical Meat
Lifer
Glad you’ve come around, now I never expect you to vote D but could you please assist talking some right leaning education regarding people saying this event didn’t happen as shown in the transcript? See above.
UNCjigga
Lifer
Meanwhile, the website for the firm Giuliani used to forge business contacts in Russia and Ukraine suddenly went dark after learning they were named in a subpoena:
After 9/11, [Giuliani] built a lucrative career in the private sector as a foreign security consultant.
The genesis of many of those foreign connections was TriGlobal Strategic Ventures. The firm was set up in the U.S. in 2003 by a group of Russians and emigres from the former Soviet Union. Using the group’s network, Giuliani amassed security contracts around the globe, which continued even after he became the U.S. president’s unpaid lawyer last year.
On Tuesday, the company’s website reverted to “TGSV – Coming Soon.” On Wednesday morning, after this article was published, the site was restored, though sometimes hard to reach.
Giuliani’s contracts, and who paid for them, are now coming under heavy scrutiny by Congress as it tries to trace his shadow diplomatic work for President Donald Trump in Ukraine. House Democrats have demanded documents and communications among Giuliani, TriGlobal and its co-founder and president, Vitaly Pruss, going back to the beginning of the Trump presidency. Pruss has played a pivotal role in connecting Giuliani to the Ukrainians who make up the backbone of the House’s subpoena request.
...
Another TriGlobal connection emerged on Tuesday. A member of the firm’s advisory board said in an interview with Bloomberg News that he was the one who invited Giuliani to a conference in Armenia where President Vladimir Putin of Russia spoke, along with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani. Giuliani had planned to speak but withdrew from the event after the public disclosure of his plans and those of the Russian president.
TriGlobal’s website once provided more information about that board member, Ara Abramyan. A biography in June 2016 listed him as a “very close adviser to the Russian government’s inner circle including the President and the Prime Minister.” The description disappeared from the site the next year.
After 9/11, [Giuliani] built a lucrative career in the private sector as a foreign security consultant.
The genesis of many of those foreign connections was TriGlobal Strategic Ventures. The firm was set up in the U.S. in 2003 by a group of Russians and emigres from the former Soviet Union. Using the group’s network, Giuliani amassed security contracts around the globe, which continued even after he became the U.S. president’s unpaid lawyer last year.
On Tuesday, the company’s website reverted to “TGSV – Coming Soon.” On Wednesday morning, after this article was published, the site was restored, though sometimes hard to reach.
Giuliani’s contracts, and who paid for them, are now coming under heavy scrutiny by Congress as it tries to trace his shadow diplomatic work for President Donald Trump in Ukraine. House Democrats have demanded documents and communications among Giuliani, TriGlobal and its co-founder and president, Vitaly Pruss, going back to the beginning of the Trump presidency. Pruss has played a pivotal role in connecting Giuliani to the Ukrainians who make up the backbone of the House’s subpoena request.
...
Another TriGlobal connection emerged on Tuesday. A member of the firm’s advisory board said in an interview with Bloomberg News that he was the one who invited Giuliani to a conference in Armenia where President Vladimir Putin of Russia spoke, along with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani. Giuliani had planned to speak but withdrew from the event after the public disclosure of his plans and those of the Russian president.
TriGlobal’s website once provided more information about that board member, Ara Abramyan. A biography in June 2016 listed him as a “very close adviser to the Russian government’s inner circle including the President and the Prime Minister.” The description disappeared from the site the next year.
IronWing
No Lifer
He simply, if inelegantly, called you out your bald-faced lie. Under the new rules, are we still allowed to call people who lie, liars?
JEDIYoda
Lifer
We can call what is being said a lie or false or not true! But from what I understand and I have read the whole thread about the furim rules we cannot say -- your a liar or you lie. But we can say that`s a lie!! Because we did not attack the person we attacked the message or we attacked the lie if you will!!
Also note from what I have read once a lie has been disproven via a link regardless of if the person lying believes that link, they can be infractioned for repeating a lie over and over!!
Now it soesn`t mean that person has to change their mind! It means that some lies can be disproven and was demonstrated by our illustrious Perknose on the Thread about Forum Rules!!
I am doing my best currently to get in compliance with the new rules!!
zinfamous
No Lifer
Oh I missed that part of the rules; is that really in there?
I did notice that the return to "absolutely no insults" seems to have triggered our most flagrantly racist poster...ever, to return for the first time in some year(s) and start a thread just the other day. I guess we'll see how this goes. 😀
brandonbull
Diamond Member
I provided the quotes and links of what exactly was said. You keep added misinterpretations to quotes and post a picture stating untrue accusations about the Ukraine and then adding no supporting statements so you should be on the look out for the ban hammer.
brandonbull
Diamond Member
I like how you proceed to insult someone when talking about rules stating no personal insults.
Fanatical Meat
Lifer
Sort of I asked if we had a flat earthed troll continually post stuff that is easily proven wrong they should be banned. Compromise appeared to me that poster will get infraction and mod will trim the posts in the worst case scenario.
Don’t take that as infractions will be handed out all the time.
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
There was no questionable behavior that wasn't invented by Trump and supported by others who misrepresent the facts as a matter of course.
I could say as a hypothetical that no one has investigated you for a crime because someone got a prosecutor fired. We should also remember that somehow Hunter made $1.5 billion dollars from China and not one shred of financial documentation showed it. His financial statements would reflect that and if unreported would constitute a crime in itself, yet the DOJ nor the IRS supports that claim whatsoever.
It's a poor fiction on the part of those who beg the question in citing "questionable involvement" when the basis for that is "questionable involvement" without proper facts supporting the argument.
JEDIYoda
Lifer
Funny!! I complied with the forum rules for that picture -- look to the bottom left -- I made the statement -- This says it all -- which is all that is required to post a picture!! Now a picture without a comment is against the rules!! Yjere does not need to be any link associated with that picture!
It doesn`t matter if you provided the links of what was said and the quote -- purposely misleading others by claiming falsely that you did`nt see Biden metioned in the link is misleading and a misrepresentation of the truth!! Becauase as I posted he was mentioned and I posyed the sentence!!
Let me say these new rules are going to mess up alot of members eho post misleading information or inaccurate information as fact!! I would guess FOX News wouldn`t be too happy if they were represented here on these forums woith the new podting rules -- hahahaaaa
Fanatical Meat
Lifer
Thank you sir
HomerJS
Lifer
Oh he didn't use the literal word "dirt"? That's your defense? Ok, I'll use the professional political word, opposition research. Trump was fishing for information based on conspiracy theories.Quotes from the "transcript":
Read Trump's phone conversation with Volodymyr Zelensky | CNN Politics
President Donald Trump repeatedly pushed for Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, and his son, Hunter, during a July 25 phone call, according to a transcript of the conversation released by the White House.
"The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly.. That I can assure you.
The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me. "
Didn't see where he said give me dirt on Biden. Trump was asking about questionable involvement of the VP, Biden, in the firing of Viktor Shokin. Trump wasn't trying to build a "dossier" like Clinton, the DNC, and Obama did in 2016.
BTW - Here is your major malfunction, continuing to make statements based on already proven false premises. The data in that dossier was created from research done by the Free Beacon (Republican media outlet). Dems took it over from them.
Also the firing of Victkr Shokin was official policy of the United States not for Biden's personal gain. Shokin was not investigating corruption that's why the US, IMF and members of the EU wanted him gone.
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