Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

[Bird222]

I'm not convinced that's what it is supposed to mean.

I was thinking more...

Because a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State, and because you need an armed populace familar with arms in order to be able to form a militia, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

But really I think the writers of the Constitution should have been way more careful with their prose style, considering the importance of the document they were writing. The second amendment seems to have too many commas and a missing implied explantory clause.

From what I understand there was much discussion on the wording (and commas) of the 2A. I think they were very deliberate in how they constructed it.

 

[Bird222]

A reasonable person would say that if the NRA supports something then its probably not an unreasonable restriction. But that's what most reasonable people would think.

That's only if you assume the NRA is primarily concerned with 2A rights. I don't.

 

[brycejones]

it was in answer to a dishonest fuck anti-gun guy that snipped it.

What a white knight you are.....

 

[bshole]

That's only if you assume the NRA is primarily concerned with 2A rights. I don't.

I would agree with you that the NRA is not "primarily" concerned with the 2nd amendment. They are ONLY concerned with the 2nd to the exclusion of everything else. It has been much more from profitable for them to go this route. I am old enough to remember when they were a decent organization concerned with a full range of issues.

 

[rommelrommel]

I don't know if it is "burdensome" but it sure is very expensive, safety class cost $150+, gun club membership $400+ per yr and there are very few of them. The gun it self is cost 2-3 times more than US.

And most importantly people(80%) don't care about guns, for those that care enough are mostly for hunting or recreational.

Misinformed or deliberately misrepresenting how things are?

Plenty of gun clubs are under $150, and you can get membership to one for as little as $25 for legal purposes. There are lots of ranges, aside from the Toronto area. And guns are not nearly that expensive, just saw a decent S&W AR15 for under $700 CAD.

Canada has lots of guns, it’s really easy to own a semi auto mag fed rifle as most aren’t registered, yet we don’t have nearly the same rate of mass shooting. I maintain it’s more of a cultural problem than guns causing murder as someone suggested.

 

[ivwshane]

Misinformed or deliberately misrepresenting how things are?

Plenty of gun clubs are under $150, and you can get membership to one for as little as $25 for legal purposes. There are lots of ranges, aside from the Toronto area. And guns are not nearly that expensive, just saw a decent S&W AR15 for under $700 CAD.

Canada has lots of guns, it’s really easy to own a semi auto mag fed rifle as most aren’t registered, yet we don’t have nearly the same rate of mass shooting. I maintain it’s more of a cultural problem than guns causing murder as someone suggested.

Hmm... Maybe gun nutters should start pushing hard for universal, single payer health care so things like mental health are covered. Sounds like a win win to me.

 

[Svnla]

Misinformed or deliberately misrepresenting how things are?

Plenty of gun clubs are under $150, and you can get membership to one for as little as $25 for legal purposes. There are lots of ranges, aside from the Toronto area. And guns are not nearly that expensive, just saw a decent S&W AR15 for under $700 CAD.

Canada has lots of guns, it’s really easy to own a semi auto mag fed rifle as most aren’t registered, yet we don’t have nearly the same rate of mass shooting. I maintain it’s more of a cultural problem than guns causing murder as someone suggested.

You can get a cheap AR for about $350 USD here and brand name ARs for about $500-$600 USD or so (at least for now until some kind of restriction will jack up the prices).

 

[SlowSpyder]

You can get a cheap AR for about $350 USD here and brand name ARs for about $500-$600 USD or so (at least for now until some kind of restriction will jack up the prices).

$700 CAD is little more than $550 USD.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Another hotel maintenance worker says he called in the shooter before he fired on the concert goers.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/worker-warned-hotel-before-las-vegas-shooter-opened-fire-on-crowd/

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It was unclear if the hotel relayed the information to Las Vegas police, who did not respond to questions from The Associated Press about whether hotel security or anyone else in the hotel called 911 to report the gunfire.

Joseph Giacalone, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a retired New York City police sergeant, said the new timeline "changes everything."

"There absolutely was an opportunity in that timeframe that some of this could've been mitigated," he said."

 

[Younigue]

stand your ground laws, castle doctrine, ect.
all allow the use of deadly force in some situations.

Sounds fantastic! You're damn near a genius, too bad about the distance you have yet to go. Word to the [un]wise, mouthbreathers look dumb because they are typically very limited however they absolutely deserve to be soothed about their level of intelligence as being the best they are capable of. Good boy! People taking the law in to their own hands will definitely keep everyone safe. Your logic is sound and it's a very good thing you are so limited. *gentle pat pat on your head* accompanied with a look of indulgence.

 

[Younigue]

Why do you punctuate your every post with your profound ignorance?

Oh tajjy, you're such an original... idiot. You've a gift my friend.

 

[Younigue]

That elitist jerks like yourself seem to think the average American of this time and at the founding of our Republic is too stupid to read the words of the Constitution and comprehend in a sensible fashion what they say. That we need elitist little jerkoffs to tell us what our own Constitution means. That until and unless you tell us what it "really" means we just can't decipher it. Get off your fsking high horse.

Proving it again, ain'tcha? You just can't help yourself.

As for the "elitist" have to explain things to you and your ilk... Come on, it's the natural order of things, very necessary and you should be used to it by now. We're elitists for a reason you know. <---- Well would you look at that, having to explain yet another thing to you. If only any of it ever sunk in you'd be a better person for it. Don't you think?

 

[Jhhnn]

registration

Gun grabber paranoia, huh?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Proving it again, ain'tcha? You just can't help yourself.

As for the "elitist" have to explain things to you and your ilk... Come on, it's the natural order of things, very necessary and you should be used to it by now. We're elitists for a reason you know. <---- Well would you look at that, having to explain yet another thing to you. If only any of it ever sunk in you'd be a better person for it. Don't you think?

I think almost everyone with a high school degree in the United States, including someone of your obviously low capabilities, can read and give a good account of the Constitution of the United States if they ever took the time to read it carefully. Give it a try sometime.

 

[NostaSeronx]

a well regulated Militia <== If we take this as a limiter then there is a huge problem.

It would prevent all women from owning and bearing arms. So, it is largely ignored in liberal interpretation.

The militia in regards is the continental army draft(18th century-19th century) which is now replaced by the selective draft (18 to 25, males-only). So, there is the limits... anyone above 25 has guns ...well you are breaking constitutional law.

If the Supreme Court wanted to define the second amendment accurately.

 

[Younigue]

I think almost everyone with a high school degree in the United States, including someone of your obviously low capabilities, can read and give a good account of the Constitution of the United States if they ever took the time to read it carefully. Give it a try sometime.

Well, reading it isn't the difficulty here. It's comprehension and yours is skewed, convenient, telling, ugly, moronic, bias, self-serving, disgusting, evil.

You're quite simply (and very specifically proud of it) deplorable.

 

[Jhhnn]

Another hotel maintenance worker says he called in the shooter before he fired on the concert goers.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/worker-warned-hotel-before-las-vegas-shooter-opened-fire-on-crowd/

"
It was unclear if the hotel relayed the information to Las Vegas police, who did not respond to questions from The Associated Press about whether hotel security or anyone else in the hotel called 911 to report the gunfire.

Joseph Giacalone, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a retired New York City police sergeant, said the new timeline "changes everything."

"There absolutely was an opportunity in that timeframe that some of this could've been mitigated," he said."

Giacalone doesn't know any more than the rest of us, but by God he's got an opinion, doesn't he?

 

[FIVR]

Another hotel maintenance worker says he called in the shooter before he fired on the concert goers.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/worker-warned-hotel-before-las-vegas-shooter-opened-fire-on-crowd/

"
It was unclear if the hotel relayed the information to Las Vegas police, who did not respond to questions from The Associated Press about whether hotel security or anyone else in the hotel called 911 to report the gunfire.

Joseph Giacalone, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a retired New York City police sergeant, said the new timeline "changes everything."

"There absolutely was an opportunity in that timeframe that some of this could've been mitigated," he said."

Cowards. Las Vegas PD are cowards, who let hundreds die so they might save themselves.


I think this whole shooting is actually a great argument for 2A because are you really going to rely on idiots that work in your local police force to have the only access to these military weapons and to rely on them to save you from criminals or terrorists? They will leave you to die and use the guns you can no longer buy to shoot black people.

Swear to god I was not 2A before this shooting but with the incompetence on display by US law enforcement I am getting more pro gun by the minute. I need an AR-15 to defend me from sheriff billy-bob and his pew-happy posse.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Cowards. Las Vegas PD are cowards, who let hundreds die so they might save themselves.

They made the shooter kill himself, yo. I would say that Las Vegas and hotel security were in the middle of the see-saw. They didn't outright prevent the attack, but instead prevented it from escalating.

Initial security responder was unarmed... if he was armed then maybe he could have fired back.
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Shortly before 10 p.m. PDT, hotel security guard Jesus Campos went to the 32nd floor in response to an open-door alert of a hotel guest’s room. Coincidentally, he heard sounds of drilling coming from Paddock's suite on the same floor and went to investigate. Paddock was drilling a hole beside the door. At 9:59 p.m., Paddock then began firing more than 200 rounds through the door. Campos was hit in the right thigh and immediately informed hotel security personnel that he had been shot. A maintenance worker was on the floor checking on a report about a fire door being jammed. While the shots were still being fired, an injured Campos encountered him and told him to take cover. The maintenance worker contacted hotel dispatchers over his radio, informed them of the on-going shooting, and told them to call the police. It is not known whether Campos’ presence affected Paddock’s plans.
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[Jhhnn]

Cowards. Las Vegas PD are cowards, who let hundreds die so they might save themselves.


I think this whole shooting is actually a great argument for 2A because are you really going to rely on idiots that work in your local police force to have the only access to these military weapons and to rely on them to save you from criminals or terrorists? They will leave you to die and use the guns you can no longer buy to shoot black people.

Swear to god I was not 2A before this shooting but with the incompetence on display by US law enforcement I am getting more pro gun by the minute. I need an AR-15 to defend me from sheriff billy-bob and his pew-happy posse.

So, the police weren't trigger happy enough to suit you so you're gonna get an AR to defend yourself from the trigger happy police...

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Well, reading it isn't the difficulty here. It's comprehension and yours is skewed, convenient, telling, ugly, moronic, bias, self-serving, disgusting, evil.

You're quite simply (and very specifically proud of it) deplorable.

Gosh, you're just a big meanie.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So, the police weren't trigger happy enough to suit you so you're gonna get an AR to defend yourself from the trigger happy police...

Please Jhhnn, he was being sarcastic.

 

[rommelrommel]

Hmm... Maybe gun nutters should start pushing hard for universal, single payer health care so things like mental health are covered. Sounds like a win win to me.

Single payer is a no-brainer. Canada’s is about the worst implemented single-payer in the west yet it’s much better than the “f-you poors” system you’re saddled with.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Single payer is a no-brainer. Canada’s is about the worst implemented single-payer in the west yet it’s much better than the “f-you poors” system you’re saddled with.

http://business.financialpost.com/o...health-care-system-just-got-ranked-last-again

"
Why Canada’s ‘best’ health-care system just got ranked last — again
William Watson: In a New York Times contest of the world's top health-care systems, Canada didn't win. In fact, we were eliminated in the first round"

 

[rommelrommel]

http://business.financialpost.com/o...health-care-system-just-got-ranked-last-again

"
Why Canada’s ‘best’ health-care system just got ranked last — again
William Watson: In a New York Times contest of the world's top health-care systems, Canada didn't win. In fact, we were eliminated in the first round"

Yeah, I saw that. IMO, it’s BS. Voted on by a panel?

Friend of mine is dual but currently living in the USA. Couldn’t afford his Obamacare premiums so went without insurance. He just got out of the hospital after falling into a coma for a few months and has a 7 figure bill. Ask him where he’d rather of been? Canada’s system is pretty bad in terms of timelyness but if you’re seriously ill you’ll get fixed.