Laci Peterson case tied to Roe debate
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Im pro choice and all. BUt i definitely think killing an 8month old fetus is definitely murder.. Many babies are born before they even reach 8 months term.
I don't think there's a link between the two. In an abortion, there is no malice. In a murder, there is malice. The murderer of Laci Peterson maliciously ended the life of Laci and her fetus.
I disagree 100%. I don't think it matters one bit how many murders you're accused of. It's not like a killer would say, "I'd really like to off you, but since your pregnant, I don't want hit with another count."
The whole reason behind them calling it a double homicide is that carries the death penalty, and they are hoping he'll plea bargin and say guilty in exchange for life instead of the death sentance.
I disagree with the death penalty, but I think if it exists, you should be eligable for it after just one murder. Don't make it a magical penalty if the woman you kill is pregnant. If the case warrants the death penalty, it should warrant it for just the mother's murder.
I think he should be charged with killing two people. The fetus when she was reported missing was already 8 months. My wife and I had our baby about 6 weeks early 2 yrs ago (although our baby weighed 6lbs 10oz and was 22" tall) so that makes her just a little bit younger than the unborn child of Laci Peterson. I have had friends had their kids after 7 months of pregnancy. So for me, as long as the baby is developed and is capable of living outside their mothers womb, they should be considered a human being and not just an "unborn fetus".
Laci Peterson case tied to Roe debate
- The head of the National Organization for Women's Morris County chapter is opposing a double-murder charge in the Laci Peterson case, saying it could provide ammunition to the pro-life lobby.
"If this is murder, well, then any time a late-term fetus is aborted, they could call it murder," Morris County NOW President Mavra Stark said on Saturday.
I think the abortion fanatics, on both sides, really only care about blindly advancing their own political agendas. They quit caring about mothers and babies a long time ago.
Just so everyone here is clear on what a late term abortion really involves:
So-called "Partial-birth" abortion is performed in the second and third trimesters and entails (1) inducing a breech delivery with forceps, (2) delivering the legs, arms and torso only, (3) puncturing the back of the skull with scissors or a trochar, (4) inserting a suction curette into the skull, (4) suctioning the contents of the skull so as to collapse it, (5) completing the delivery.
So-called "Partial-birth" abortion is performed in the second and third trimesters and entails (1) inducing a breech delivery with forceps, (2) delivering the legs, arms and torso only, (3) puncturing the back of the skull with scissors or a trochar, (4) inserting a suction curette into the skull, (4) suctioning the contents of the skull so as to collapse it, (5) completing the delivery.
"Partial-birth" abortion has been discussed plenty before. Abortions are legal, and while they are legal, a doctor's concern are for his 1 patient. Therefore, whatever procedure is best for his patient should be performed. I'm sorry you find it gross.
This court decision will be huge. Obvious he deserves to be in jail for the rest of his life.
However as devils advocate. If you say killing a pregnant women that is 7+ month or 8+ month
is two murders then you open a debate. Should someone who gets into an accident and women that is
8 months pregnant and the baby dies, but the mother is left with minor injuries. Should you be charged
with a vechilar manslaughter. Or if the women wasn't wearing a seat belt, should she be charged with
manslaughter for the death of her own child.
Its easy to make a decesion in case like this. But where is the line drawn. Every court decision will
effect other cases down the road. The decision either way will be big.
However as devils advocate. If you say killing a pregnant women that is 7+ month or 8+ month
is two murders then you open a debate. Should someone who gets into an accident and women that is
8 months pregnant and the baby dies, but the mother is left with minor injuries. Should you be charged
with a vechilar manslaughter. Or if the women wasn't wearing a seat belt, should she be charged with
manslaughter for the death of her own child.
Its easy to make a decesion in case like this. But where is the line drawn. Every court decision will
effect other cases down the road. The decision either way will be big.
Discredited Myths About Partial-Birth Abortion
A so-called partial-birth abortion is defined generally as a late-term procedure in which the fetus is aborted after it is partially outside the mother's body. It is usually performed in cases when the mother's life is threatened or the fetus is deformed. -- from "Anti-abortion lobby counting on victories in 108th Congress," by Pamela Brogan, Gannett News Service, December 17, 2002. (Similar examples sighted in other media.)
When the federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act was first introduced in mid-1995, there already was abundant evidence that some abortionists employed the partial-birth method routinely for purely elective abortions. In articles, interviews, and legislative testimony, prominent abortionists had readily admitted to using the method to perform thousands of abortions, mostly purely elective. Their printed admissions were widely circulated to the media by NRLC and other groups, and by lawmakers supporting the bill. However, many major news outlets chose to ignore this evidence and to uncritically adopt the unsupported claims of the pro-abortion lobby that the partial-birth abortion method was used only rarely and nearly always in cases involving acute medical problems with the mother or baby. [Innumerable examples of such reporting are available on request.]
However, belatedly, towards the end of 1996, some major newspapers, including the Washington Post and the Record in northern New Jersey, actually went out and investigated. They found numerous abortionists who admitted to routinely employing the method for abortions on healthy mothers with healthy babies in the fifth and sixth months of pregnancy. To cite just one example, on September 15, 1996, the Record (Bergen, New Jersey) published a report by staff writer Ruth Padawer, based on separate interviews with two abortionists, who independently told her that they performed over 1,500 partial-birth abortions annually in their single facility -- which was roughly triple the nationwide figures then being given out by pro-abortion advocacy and industry groups and reported as fact by many journalists. As to why they performed these procedures:
"We have an occasional amnio abnormality, but it's a minuscule amount," said one of the doctors at Metropolitan Medical, an assessment confirmed by another doctor there. "Most are Medicaid patients, black and white, and most are for elective, not medical, reasons: people who didn't realize, or didn't care, how far along they were. Most are teenagers." (The Record, September 15, 1996)
The September 17, 1996 edition of the Washington Post contained the results of a lengthy investigation conducted by reporters Barbara Vobejda and David M. Brown, M.D., who interviewed several abortionists (not those in New Jersey), and concluded:
Furthermore, in most cases where the procedure is used, the physical health of the woman whose pregnancy is being terminated is not in jeopardy.... Instead, the "typical" patients tend to be young, low-income women, often poorly educated or naive, whose reasons for waiting so long to end their pregnancies are rarely medical.
Shortly thereafter, in February 1997, the abortion industry's disinformation campaign completely exploded when Ron Fitzsimmons -- then and now the executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers (an association of 150 or so abortion providers) -- gave a series of well-publicized interviews in which he acknowledged that the claim that the partial-birth abortion procedure was used rarely and mostly in acute medical situations was merely a "party line," and was false. Mr. Fitzsimmons expressed regret about his own previous (albeit minor) role in propagating that "party line," explaining, "I lied through my teeth."
The truth, Mr. Fitzsimmons said, was that "n the vast majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother with a healthy fetus" (The New York Times, Feb. 26, 1997). He estimated that 3,000-5,000 abortions annually are performed by the partial-birth method. Here are two examples of clear reporting on these revelations, including confirmations from other pro-abortion sources: www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBA NYT lied.pdf and www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBA activists lied.pdf
In addition, in early 1997 the PBS media criticism program Media Matters reviewed the history of the news media's gullible acceptance of the abortion lobby's original disinformation about partial-birth abortion, and concluded that it was a case study in bad journalism. See: www.pbs.org/wnet/mediamatters99/transcript2.html
The Washington Post's David Brown was shown on the program saying that the Post study found, "Cases in which the mother's life were at risk were extremely rare. . . . Most people who got this procedure were really not very different from most people who got abortions."
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