I don't disagree with you. A murder is a murder. But it will also have to be seen the cirumstances leading to the murder. It all depends on if he premeditated it over a "crime of passion"
I was just stating the reasoning behind calling it a double homicide. They just are covering all of their bases, to try and get him as much jail time as they possible can. I don't think they are honestly going to go for the death penalty unless he refuses to admit to anything. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Janet Reno was grossly incompetent as far as I could tell but to compare to Hitler is asinine.
What does this have to do with President Bush or Janet Reno anyway?
this shouldn't be tied to abortion because abortion is more comparable to, say, choosing not to keep a person on life support than it is to murder, IMHO.
i agree an 8 month old fetus should be murder, in fact i think that anything after the third month should be.
but i understand where NOW is coming from, and I hope that they win because if they dont fight it here, you'll soon see that 8 months go down, to 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, until everything will be banned, which is what the pro-life lobby wants. most people that i have met are pro-choice but with sensible limits.
personally, i think exactly the opposite of the person above. it's hypocritical to talk about the "sanctity" of life, yet most of the pro-life people are also for the death penalty. any life taken against its will is wrong, no matter if they are innocent or guilty (in the case of the death penalty, quite a few turn out to be innocent as well), they should just get life in prison.
but i understand where NOW is coming from, and I hope that they win because if they dont fight it here, you'll soon see that 8 months go down, to 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, until everything will be banned, which is what the pro-life lobby wants. most people that i have met are pro-choice but with sensible limits.
personally, i think exactly the opposite of the person above. it's hypocritical to talk about the "sanctity" of life, yet most of the pro-life people are also for the death penalty. any life taken against its will is wrong, no matter if they are innocent or guilty (in the case of the death penalty, quite a few turn out to be innocent as well), they should just get life in prison.
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depends on how far into the pregnancy you are. kids are born at 8 months all the time and are fine (somewhat higher instance of jaundice than full term, but the incidence is pretty high as a whole) whereas someone on life support would be dead without it. i'll bet a lot of the people the plug is pulled on are brain-dead anyway.
Triumph
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Well of course you're right, but this logic is lost on most people. Very much the same people who claimed it was their "right" to choose to own slaves or not. The civil war was about states rights, not the enslavement of a people, wasn't it? <sarcasm>
And now this thread is turned into your run of the mill abortion thread. Goodbye! <hot foots it out of here>
If they consider the death of an 8 month fetus murder, then they are aknowledging the fetus with the rights that everybody has.
Therefore, a fetus involved in an abortion has just as much right to live also and abortion should be illegal. (Although personally I can find exception for death of mother cases, rape, etc.)
I won't push my agenda, but the court must stay consistent on two CO-EXISTING rulings. To have it one way and another at the same time is absurd.
Therefore, a fetus involved in an abortion has just as much right to live also and abortion should be illegal. (Although personally I can find exception for death of mother cases, rape, etc.)
I won't push my agenda, but the court must stay consistent on two CO-EXISTING rulings. To have it one way and another at the same time is absurd.
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Therefore, a fetus involved in an abortion has just as much right to live also and abortion should be illegal. (Although personally I can find exception for death of mother cases, rape, etc.)
so according to you, a fetus is a human life you can kill if a rape is involved?
so according to you, a fetus is a human life you can kill if a rape is involved?
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Thank you.
This case has nothing to do with abortion or Roe, and I'm at a loss as to why no one has noticed or expressed the obvious difference.
In abortion, the mother and the mother alone decides the fate of her unborn child.
In this case, someone other than the mother decided, and without the mother's consent. Hence, it is murder.
Common sense, it seems, is becoming more and more of a rare commodity these days...
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Abortion, Political and Religious threads always end up a Flame Fest with nobody ever being convinced to change their opinions. It actually doesn't matter as most people who visit here now are of the age who usually don't bother to vote. They are occupied with more important things like ricing out their cars, playing Computer Games or getting sh!t on by females
NOW backs away from comments by its Morris president
- Stark, who heads the Morris County NOW, spoke Monday with the national organization's vice president, Terry O'Neill. Stark said O'Neill told her that NOW "felt it wasn't the right thing to take a position right now" on either the Peterson case or fetal homicide statutes.
After her conversation with O'Neill and fielding a flood of critical phone calls and e-mails from across the nation, Stark modified her earlier comments about the widely publicized Peterson case.
"I was thinking out loud," said Stark, who had mused on Saturday that the double-murder charge could provide ammunition to the pro-life lobby.
On Monday afternoon, Stark said the "viability of the Peterson fetus ? makes a great deal of difference" in assessing the criminal case.
"The position I was veering very close to was not even in synch with those of all the pro-choice organizations I belong to," said Stark, who had previously speculated that the double-murder charge could strengthen efforts by pro-lifers to enact a ban on late-term abortions.
There are several cases around the nation that are trying to define just when a life begins.
My niece was killed in a car accident last year.
She was on the way to the hospital , In labor.
An emergency C-Section was performed at the crash site.
The baby took a breath then died.
The other driver was high (oxycotton)
And ran a light at over 100mph.
She did not have a chance.
Was it murder?
Kentucky's courts did not think so.
No fetal rights in Kentucky
Both sides of the abortion debate are active in these cases
Trying to further their own causes.
This will be another case where the question will be asked
When does life begin?
My niece was killed in a car accident last year.
She was on the way to the hospital , In labor.
An emergency C-Section was performed at the crash site.
The baby took a breath then died.
The other driver was high (oxycotton)
And ran a light at over 100mph.
She did not have a chance.
Was it murder?
Kentucky's courts did not think so.
No fetal rights in Kentucky
Both sides of the abortion debate are active in these cases
Trying to further their own causes.
This will be another case where the question will be asked
When does life begin?
Mourning Miscarriage: A Missing Peace
With the right Supreme Court in place, these unborn babies WILL have the same Constitutional rights as newborn babies. This is a double homicide. Get used to it.
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