Whatever BFG. And yeah, that pretty much is my whole post. ::Got tired of defending a man from a linch-mob::
BFG your freaking hopeless. I hope there's a place for you somewhere. You just twist my words to what you want to hear.
How did I say I only need 25fps?
ROTFL. Right here, in your very next sentence:
Did I say I only need 25fps? I said long as you don't dip below 25fps it's adequete to play. Does that mean I only need 25fps?
I'm sorry but 25 FPS is a slideshow regardless of whether it's a maximum, average or minimum.
Yeah the lowest frame rate doesn't dip below 25fps it's adequete because that is my lowest FPS. My average would be 60-70fps because my lowest fps would be around 25-30fps. No, 25fps is not a slide show if it's my minimum FPS.
Damn how dumb can you get? Majority voted for my number and that was the point I was making.
That doesn't make your statement that you can't see more than 70 FPS correct.
What statement did I say about can't seeing more than 70fps? You keep acusing me of something but you keep twisiting it dude. I can tell the difference from constant 30fps to 70fps but I cannot tell the difference from constant 90 fps to 120fps.
I was describing typical gamer preferences. That is why I made that poll. I was trying to figure out what the average FPS for a typical gamer was. But you see your 150+fps and spread stupid rumors to typical gamer that 60-70fps is a slide show. Your a complete joke and always act like you know so much but the fact is you don't know jack than the rest of us well not all of us.
How did I say I only need 25fps?
ROTFL. Right here, in your very next sentence:
Did I say I only need 25fps? I said long as you don't dip below 25fps it's adequete to play. Does that mean I only need 25fps?
I'm sorry but 25 FPS is a slideshow regardless of whether it's a maximum, average or minimum.
Yeah the lowest frame rate doesn't dip below 25fps it's adequete because that is my lowest FPS. My average would be 60-70fps because my lowest fps would be around 25-30fps. No, 25fps is not a slide show if it's my minimum FPS.
Damn how dumb can you get? Majority voted for my number and that was the point I was making.
That doesn't make your statement that you can't see more than 70 FPS correct.
What statement did I say about can't seeing more than 70fps? You keep acusing me of something but you keep twisiting it dude. I can tell the difference from constant 30fps to 70fps but I cannot tell the difference from constant 90 fps to 120fps.
I was describing typical gamer preferences. That is why I made that poll. I was trying to figure out what the average FPS for a typical gamer was. But you see your 150+fps and spread stupid rumors to typical gamer that 60-70fps is a slide show. Your a complete joke and always act like you know so much but the fact is you don't know jack than the rest of us well not all of us.
LOL - come back of a nice holiday to gambia and find Powervr is involoved in a flame war, its like I have never gone. A couple of points I would like to make
1) if the geforce 3's HSR technique is less advanced than ati's why is it that with a higher core speed and memory speed it still only just keeps in front ? are the drivers that bad ?
2) <groan> from reading through the last couple of pages I still see people going on about 25fps being the minimum level they would accept during 'in-game' , personally I think much below 40 is unplayable and a minimum of 60 is ideal, but 85-100 is where my eyes are comfortable at the moment. What people must also remember is that the eye and the brain are very clever and can adapt to what it is shown, after staring at a screen which is 100hz and the eyes becomming accustomed to it then going below will be noticable. Pehaps the people who think 25fps is acceptable are just use to seeing only 25fps due to owning a tnt vanta or not installing the 4 in 1's correctly
1) if the geforce 3's HSR technique is less advanced than ati's why is it that with a higher core speed and memory speed it still only just keeps in front ? are the drivers that bad ?
2) <groan> from reading through the last couple of pages I still see people going on about 25fps being the minimum level they would accept during 'in-game' , personally I think much below 40 is unplayable and a minimum of 60 is ideal, but 85-100 is where my eyes are comfortable at the moment. What people must also remember is that the eye and the brain are very clever and can adapt to what it is shown, after staring at a screen which is 100hz and the eyes becomming accustomed to it then going below will be noticable. Pehaps the people who think 25fps is acceptable are just use to seeing only 25fps due to owning a tnt vanta or not installing the 4 in 1's correctly
Hollywood must deliver 100 fps..
I having problems whatching movies...headaches and vomites is what I get if I whatch another movie..
LOL
I even can see through walls...
(because all the matter of our universe is composed by 99.99999999999999% of empty space, what makes us see matter is because all the electrons move very quick, but they are not quick enough for me, so I can see though matter)
LOL
these are the bad things that come with my new set of super powers...
my brain is to much quick for our world...
LOL
I having problems whatching movies...headaches and vomites is what I get if I whatch another movie..
LOL
I even can see through walls...
(because all the matter of our universe is composed by 99.99999999999999% of empty space, what makes us see matter is because all the electrons move very quick, but they are not quick enough for me, so I can see though matter)
LOL
these are the bad things that come with my new set of super powers...
my brain is to much quick for our world...
LOL
BFG:
"Whatever they are they make a much bigger difference than that. Anand's first review was what sparked the statement "the Kyro2 is a GF2 Ultra killer" because it was beating the GF2 Ultra in Serious Sam. In reality it wasn't even rendering the same level of detail and complexity that the Ultra was because Serious Sam assigned medium detail settings to the Kyro2.
Once Anand (and everyone else) forced the same high quality settings on all cards the Kyro2 came crashing down to earth, exactly where it should be. Both the Radeon 64 MB DDR and the GF2 Pro give it a thorough pasting in Serious Sam. "
he ....
you are the one that don't like, anisotropic filtering right?
try another review with that option off for all the cards
"Whatever they are they make a much bigger difference than that. Anand's first review was what sparked the statement "the Kyro2 is a GF2 Ultra killer" because it was beating the GF2 Ultra in Serious Sam. In reality it wasn't even rendering the same level of detail and complexity that the Ultra was because Serious Sam assigned medium detail settings to the Kyro2.
Once Anand (and everyone else) forced the same high quality settings on all cards the Kyro2 came crashing down to earth, exactly where it should be. Both the Radeon 64 MB DDR and the GF2 Pro give it a thorough pasting in Serious Sam. "
he ....
you are the one that don't like, anisotropic filtering right?
try another review with that option off for all the cards
well guys i can cut the mustard. i got both the cards - hercules 4500 64mb and a gainward gf3 golden sample. simple the gaimward beats the ass off the kyro in benchmarks and in games. max payne @ 1600x1200 max settings no problem on gf3 but the kyro dies a death. same on q3 when u really push it.
im runnin a 1.4 athlon @ 1.55
epox 8kha+ (new bios)
512mb crucial pc2100 @ 155x10
gf3 @240x550 (extra cooling)
sblive 5.1
40gb ibm gxp60
sony cbx168b cdrw (6mb buffer!)
pioneer dvd
17" hansol monitor
im runnin a 1.4 athlon @ 1.55
epox 8kha+ (new bios)
512mb crucial pc2100 @ 155x10
gf3 @240x550 (extra cooling)
sblive 5.1
40gb ibm gxp60
sony cbx168b cdrw (6mb buffer!)
pioneer dvd
17" hansol monitor
BFG10K
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No, 25fps is not a slide show if it's my minimum FPS.
Can you even comprehend simple logic? If you don't think that 25 FPS is jerky at all then it doesn't matter if it's your minimum score or if you're constantly getting it. 25 FPS as a number is a slideshow score.
But you see your 150+fps and spread stupid rumors to typical gamer that 60-70fps is a slide show. Your a complete joke and always act like you know so much but the fact is you don't know jack than the rest of us well not all of us.
Let's not forget what really happened here: I said that 60 FPS is a slideshow and that I can easily see the difference between it and 120 FPS. Then you tried to tell me that I'm stupid for buying a Ti500 because I don't need 120 FPS. Then when that didn't work you created a poll and now you're trying to use peoples' preferences to try to "prove" that I can't see 120 FPS.
I'm not telling you what cards to buy nor am I telling you what you can and can't see. You on the other hand are doing just that to me. I'm not forcing you to buy a Ti500 so why are you trying to use a meaningless poll to try to convince me that my purchase was a waste of time?
I having problems whatching movies...headaches and vomites is what I get if I whatch another movie..
I've heard that argument so many times that it's beyond a joke.
you are the one that don't like, anisotropic filtering right?
What does that have to do with it? Anyway, I like anisotropic filtering and I use it for my older, more lightweight games.
Can you even comprehend simple logic? If you don't think that 25 FPS is jerky at all then it doesn't matter if it's your minimum score or if you're constantly getting it. 25 FPS as a number is a slideshow score.
But you see your 150+fps and spread stupid rumors to typical gamer that 60-70fps is a slide show. Your a complete joke and always act like you know so much but the fact is you don't know jack than the rest of us well not all of us.
Let's not forget what really happened here: I said that 60 FPS is a slideshow and that I can easily see the difference between it and 120 FPS. Then you tried to tell me that I'm stupid for buying a Ti500 because I don't need 120 FPS. Then when that didn't work you created a poll and now you're trying to use peoples' preferences to try to "prove" that I can't see 120 FPS.
I'm not telling you what cards to buy nor am I telling you what you can and can't see. You on the other hand are doing just that to me. I'm not forcing you to buy a Ti500 so why are you trying to use a meaningless poll to try to convince me that my purchase was a waste of time?
I having problems whatching movies...headaches and vomites is what I get if I whatch another movie..
I've heard that argument so many times that it's beyond a joke.
you are the one that don't like, anisotropic filtering right?
What does that have to do with it? Anyway, I like anisotropic filtering and I use it for my older, more lightweight games.
Can you even comprehend simple logic? If you don't think that 25 FPS is jerky at all then it doesn't matter if it's your minimum score or if you're constantly getting it. 25 FPS as a number is a slideshow score.
There you go again putting words in my mouth! When did think that 25 FPS is jerky? Do you see me saying that? NO
It rarely hit's 25fps if I'm playing. It userly never dips that low. When it does I can control fine with 25fps. I just move the mouse quicker. And if your playing online than latency is more important.
Let's not forget what really happened here: I said that 60 FPS is a slideshow and that I can easily see the difference between it and 120 FPS. Then you tried to tell me that I'm stupid for buying a Ti500 because I don't need 120 FPS. Then when that didn't work you created a poll and now you're trying to use peoples' preferences to try to "prove" that I can't see 120 FPS.
But why do you say 60 FPS is a slideshow? There are lot of members here who don't think 60fps is a slide show. I can distinguish between 60 fps and 120 fps but I just thought it wasn't worth the money if no good extra eye candy was involved.
When my radeon vivo se 260 core 460 memory does more than edequate. Why do I have to upgrade? There's no extra eye candy you got right now that compels me to get a geforce 3 ti 500 other than extra speed. Eye love making VCD out of this card. Something that I can play it on my set top DVD player.
I created the poll to make a point. 60fps is not a SLIDE SHOW!
Don't get me wrong but you are stupid for getting that geforce ti 500 without a good monitor to equip it with. You got a 17inch monitor with geforce ti 500. That makes sense. What ever floats you boat man.
There you go again putting words in my mouth! When did think that 25 FPS is jerky? Do you see me saying that? NO
It rarely hit's 25fps if I'm playing. It userly never dips that low. When it does I can control fine with 25fps. I just move the mouse quicker. And if your playing online than latency is more important.
Let's not forget what really happened here: I said that 60 FPS is a slideshow and that I can easily see the difference between it and 120 FPS. Then you tried to tell me that I'm stupid for buying a Ti500 because I don't need 120 FPS. Then when that didn't work you created a poll and now you're trying to use peoples' preferences to try to "prove" that I can't see 120 FPS.
But why do you say 60 FPS is a slideshow? There are lot of members here who don't think 60fps is a slide show. I can distinguish between 60 fps and 120 fps but I just thought it wasn't worth the money if no good extra eye candy was involved.
When my radeon vivo se 260 core 460 memory does more than edequate. Why do I have to upgrade? There's no extra eye candy you got right now that compels me to get a geforce 3 ti 500 other than extra speed. Eye love making VCD out of this card. Something that I can play it on my set top DVD player.
I created the poll to make a point. 60fps is not a SLIDE SHOW!
Don't get me wrong but you are stupid for getting that geforce ti 500 without a good monitor to equip it with. You got a 17inch monitor with geforce ti 500. That makes sense. What ever floats you boat man.
i got full respect for STM, kyro line
with hercules backing them, kyro will always be a good card.
kyro2 beats MX line. no doubth
kyro3 will beats Ti line ? (i assume ?)
with hercules backing them, kyro will always be a good card.
kyro2 beats MX line. no doubth
kyro3 will beats Ti line ? (i assume ?)
Will the KyroIII be able to do any OGL without slowing to a crawl and flicking and GL based buisness apps?
I figure since the threads still here might as well give my old *nemesis a dig.
* denotes nemesis as in foe or enemy not some guy from the UK.
I figure since the threads still here might as well give my old *nemesis a dig.
* denotes nemesis as in foe or enemy not some guy from the UK.
if 25 fps is the minimum fps in a game.
this game will allways be fluid...
and that is it...
when you say that you can see differences between 60 fps and 30 fps average..
is because sometimes even if it's only for a half a second or so those 30 fps drop to a 10 fps.
and that is it...
No one are able to distinguish between "true" 60 fps and "true 25" fps. well there is one, me and my new super powers...
LOL
this game will allways be fluid...
and that is it...
when you say that you can see differences between 60 fps and 30 fps average..
is because sometimes even if it's only for a half a second or so those 30 fps drop to a 10 fps.
and that is it...
No one are able to distinguish between "true" 60 fps and "true 25" fps. well there is one, me and my new super powers...
LOL
BFG10K:
"you are the one that don't like, anisotropic filtering right?
What does that have to do with it? Anyway, I like anisotropic filtering and I use it for my older, more lightweight games. "
what this have to do with that?
well if we disable only aniso with kyro 2 with SS we will get a geforce 2 killer in serious sam...
find that first anandtech review of kyro 2
crapgame:
"Will the KyroIII be able to do any OGL without slowing to a crawl and flicking and GL based buisness apps?
kyro 2 have one of the best opengl ICD drivers...
there are some games that can testify that....
it would slow into a crawl in GL based business apps, why?
because those application require lots ot polys, and almoust no fill rate, and we already know that kyro don't have that T&L thing...
kyro 3 will certainly have T&L and most likely some other form of poly accelaration, so no problems there for kyro 3.
"you are the one that don't like, anisotropic filtering right?
What does that have to do with it? Anyway, I like anisotropic filtering and I use it for my older, more lightweight games. "
what this have to do with that?
well if we disable only aniso with kyro 2 with SS we will get a geforce 2 killer in serious sam...
find that first anandtech review of kyro 2
crapgame:
"Will the KyroIII be able to do any OGL without slowing to a crawl and flicking and GL based buisness apps?
kyro 2 have one of the best opengl ICD drivers...
there are some games that can testify that....
it would slow into a crawl in GL based business apps, why?
because those application require lots ot polys, and almoust no fill rate, and we already know that kyro don't have that T&L thing...
kyro 3 will certainly have T&L and most likely some other form of poly accelaration, so no problems there for kyro 3.
<< No one are able to distinguish between "true" 60 fps and "true 25" fps. well there is one, me and my new super powers... >>
Surely that has got to be a language mistake as you really are talking out of your 'fundo', to say that your eye cannot see the difference between 25fps and 60 is just plain stupid. I think we should get the anandtech moderator to add to the FAQ's on this subject. I think even Vedin would not say that
Please powervr for the sake of the forum stop making such stupid statements. I have a suggestion go and turn you monitor down to 50hz and sit and use the computer for a couple of hours (if you can handle it) and then move to 85hz and see if you can see a difference. BFG10K - as it seems that both of us somehow always have to argue against this stupidity we should put forward what should be covered in a FAQ my suggestions are :
The difference between tv's, monitors and lcd's in how they refresh images
How motion blur helps to trick the brain into seeing 'virtual frame rates'
How the refresh rate on a monitor impacts the static images in a game and how the frame rates of moving objects is what matters
anything else ?
<< Text >>
I already explained here why we can see 50 hz.
"people see 60 hz flickering because of the way CRT tubes work...
IN CRT (cathode ray tube, normal tv's and monitors) the tube "lights" phosphor elements one by one, from top to bottom, and at 60 hz, when the tube is lighting bottom elements the light of some of the top elements might be diminishing.
that is why some people see it flickering .
some elements might be at full "light" only 30% in a second, the rest of the time they are getting darker until they receive the electron beam again.
TFT or LCD might be ok with 60 hz...
these are not the suitable for games because pixels tend to not change state at that rate 60 hz, more like 20 hz, 20 times a second...
this produces a motion blur effect, like some cameras (in some movies) some do not change state quick enough when there is too much action (there are cameras that can deliver 1000 frames per second, these don't make the blur effect)"
imagine that my card delivered 5 fps in half a second with a game in a peculiar second, the rest of that second my card was able to deliver 90 fps
so in that second my fps was (90+5)/2=47,5 fps...
let say that it was the worst situation for my card
a given benchmark would say that that my minimum fps was 45 fps
good...
nop because you are able to see that 45 fps minimum, for half a second it was a slide show... I think most of us would notice that...
real 24 fps is a constant rate no drops or acceleration...
that would provide movie quality, I think they are fluid enough for the majorarity of viewers.
the problem with video cards and pc's, is that sometimes the card must store textures using the agp bus, hard drives sometimes wakes, and many more factors could induce a horrible slide show even to the "mighty" geforce 3.
even 900 fps might be not enough, and I think that 900 fps cannot help at all in this situations...
"people see 60 hz flickering because of the way CRT tubes work...
IN CRT (cathode ray tube, normal tv's and monitors) the tube "lights" phosphor elements one by one, from top to bottom, and at 60 hz, when the tube is lighting bottom elements the light of some of the top elements might be diminishing.
that is why some people see it flickering .
some elements might be at full "light" only 30% in a second, the rest of the time they are getting darker until they receive the electron beam again.
TFT or LCD might be ok with 60 hz...
these are not the suitable for games because pixels tend to not change state at that rate 60 hz, more like 20 hz, 20 times a second...
this produces a motion blur effect, like some cameras (in some movies) some do not change state quick enough when there is too much action (there are cameras that can deliver 1000 frames per second, these don't make the blur effect)"
imagine that my card delivered 5 fps in half a second with a game in a peculiar second, the rest of that second my card was able to deliver 90 fps
so in that second my fps was (90+5)/2=47,5 fps...
let say that it was the worst situation for my card
a given benchmark would say that that my minimum fps was 45 fps
good...
nop because you are able to see that 45 fps minimum, for half a second it was a slide show... I think most of us would notice that...
real 24 fps is a constant rate no drops or acceleration...
that would provide movie quality, I think they are fluid enough for the majorarity of viewers.
the problem with video cards and pc's, is that sometimes the card must store textures using the agp bus, hard drives sometimes wakes, and many more factors could induce a horrible slide show even to the "mighty" geforce 3.
even 900 fps might be not enough, and I think that 900 fps cannot help at all in this situations...
BFG10K
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It rarely hit's 25fps if I'm playing. It userly never dips that low.
And I'm saying that's too low. I notice it immediately if a game has dipped below 60 FPS.
But why do you say 60 FPS is a slideshow?
Because 60 FPS average compared to 120 FPS average is a slideshow.
I can distinguish between 60 fps and 120 fps
Well why couldn't you have just said that in the first place? That would have saved several pages of arguments.
but I just thought it wasn't worth the money if no good extra eye candy was involved.
Well that's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. But that's not my opinion.
Why do I have to upgrade?
I didn't say you did have to upgrade. I said that I wanted to upgrade because it would mean higher framerates and higher eye candy.
There's no extra eye candy you got right now that compels me to get a geforce 3 ti 500 other than extra speed.
Fine, then don't get it. I disagree though and if I was in your position I would upgrade.
Don't get me wrong but you are stupid for getting that geforce ti 500 without a good monitor to equip it with. You got a 17inch monitor with geforce ti 500. That makes sense. What ever floats you boat man.
Even with my new 19" monitor on the way there are some games which I won't play above 1152 x 864 anyway. My next card however will allow me to do this.
if 25 fps is the minimum fps in a game.this game will allways be fluid..
Absolute and total rubbish. I can easily notice when a game dips below 60 FPS.
when you say that you can see differences between 60 fps and 30 fps average..is because sometimes even if it's only for a half a second or so those 30 fps drop to a 10 fps. nd that is it...No one are able to distinguish between "true" 60 fps and "true 25" fps. well there is one, me and my new super powers...
That's funny because when I tried the bouncing ball demo which I set up to run at a constant 60 FPS and a constant 120 FPS I could still tell the difference between the two balls.
what this have to do with that? well if we disable only aniso with kyro 2 with SS we will get a geforce 2 killer in serious sam...find that first anandtech review of kyro 2
(1) That is a strawman. Whatever settings I use has absolutely no bearing on how fast a GTS is compared to a Kyro2.
(2) I'd also like to see both cards running with trilinear filtering while the Kyro2 has forced texture compression disabled.
And I'm saying that's too low. I notice it immediately if a game has dipped below 60 FPS.
But why do you say 60 FPS is a slideshow?
Because 60 FPS average compared to 120 FPS average is a slideshow.
I can distinguish between 60 fps and 120 fps
Well why couldn't you have just said that in the first place? That would have saved several pages of arguments.
but I just thought it wasn't worth the money if no good extra eye candy was involved.
Well that's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. But that's not my opinion.
Why do I have to upgrade?
I didn't say you did have to upgrade. I said that I wanted to upgrade because it would mean higher framerates and higher eye candy.
There's no extra eye candy you got right now that compels me to get a geforce 3 ti 500 other than extra speed.
Fine, then don't get it. I disagree though and if I was in your position I would upgrade.
Don't get me wrong but you are stupid for getting that geforce ti 500 without a good monitor to equip it with. You got a 17inch monitor with geforce ti 500. That makes sense. What ever floats you boat man.
Even with my new 19" monitor on the way there are some games which I won't play above 1152 x 864 anyway. My next card however will allow me to do this.
if 25 fps is the minimum fps in a game.this game will allways be fluid..
Absolute and total rubbish. I can easily notice when a game dips below 60 FPS.
when you say that you can see differences between 60 fps and 30 fps average..is because sometimes even if it's only for a half a second or so those 30 fps drop to a 10 fps. nd that is it...No one are able to distinguish between "true" 60 fps and "true 25" fps. well there is one, me and my new super powers...
That's funny because when I tried the bouncing ball demo which I set up to run at a constant 60 FPS and a constant 120 FPS I could still tell the difference between the two balls.
what this have to do with that? well if we disable only aniso with kyro 2 with SS we will get a geforce 2 killer in serious sam...find that first anandtech review of kyro 2
(1) That is a strawman. Whatever settings I use has absolutely no bearing on how fast a GTS is compared to a Kyro2.
(2) I'd also like to see both cards running with trilinear filtering while the Kyro2 has forced texture compression disabled.
BFG10K
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BFG do you have problems whatching movies?
they are a slide show right?
No because movies are nothing like 3D games. Then again some people claim to see tearing and flickering in movies too so I guess the trickery they use doesn't always work too well.
they are a slide show right?
No because movies are nothing like 3D games. Then again some people claim to see tearing and flickering in movies too so I guess the trickery they use doesn't always work too well.
Because 60 FPS average compared to 120 FPS average is a slideshow.
BFG even though I can tell the difference between avg. fps of 60 and 120fps, 60fps is NOT a SLIDE SHOW! No matter how you look at it.
Slide show is where a picture is placed on a projector and is shown 1 picture at a time. Your definition of slide show is WRONG! Even movies are shown at 24fps and that is not a slide show. It is called motion pictures.
Well why couldn't you have just said that in the first place? That would have saved several pages of arguments.
I did say that but you ignored it in my previous post.
I didn't say you did have to upgrade. I said that I wanted to upgrade because it would mean higher framerates and higher eye candy.
What eye candy?
BFG even though I can tell the difference between avg. fps of 60 and 120fps, 60fps is NOT a SLIDE SHOW! No matter how you look at it.
Slide show is where a picture is placed on a projector and is shown 1 picture at a time. Your definition of slide show is WRONG! Even movies are shown at 24fps and that is not a slide show. It is called motion pictures.
Well why couldn't you have just said that in the first place? That would have saved several pages of arguments.
I did say that but you ignored it in my previous post.
I didn't say you did have to upgrade. I said that I wanted to upgrade because it would mean higher framerates and higher eye candy.
What eye candy?
<< What eye candy? >>
I think he means Quincunx FSAA and 64 tap anisotropic filtering (among other goodies); you can't do that on GeForce 2 GTS. Here are some screenies I took while playing RTCW using my GeForce 3 Ti 500 with 2x FSAA and 32 tap anisotropic filtering:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/2709/rtcw.htm
You may have to cut and paste that link into your browser address box. I doubt the game looks this good on a Kyro 2. I fired up Half-Life and it looks incredible on the GeForce 3 Ti 500 compared to when I originally played it on a TNT (duh). And, there is a difference between 60 fps and 120 fps--once you crank up the eye candy. Have you played Aquanox? Turn up the eye candy in that game and you'll see a slideshow. Even Max Payne slows down some during firefights, and IS NOT fluid with all the graphical detail cranked up on my rig. Maybe I need a new mobo and CPU?
PowerVR
Just to get off the subject for a minute, I just recently upgraded/swapped my V3 3000 for a Kyro2 and was probably expecting too much out of it in the way of compatability with all the various games I play as when I first installed it, I went straight into my favourite games and started to get problems(i.e. Unreal,UT, other glide games and other Direct3d games as well(although other games based on the Q3 Engine worked straight off the bat and beautifully I may add. I had been too spoilt with the Voodoo cards over my gaming life as they play most games even without tweaking. Anyway, I stayed up all night trying to get the Kyro2 to work in most of my games and I was almost going to give up and get a Geforce2TI 200. I kept persisting the next day and also read some forum help tips and made some changes in my Bios(UC not UWUC and AGP 2x) then slowly worked through the Kyro Driver Properties Tab to set up my games one by one and sure enough it was well worth the trouble!!! Games like RTCW,Rune, Serious Sam 1+2, and other look amazing in32 bit color and higher resolutions(1024x768 and 1280x1024) and play at the same frame rates that my voodoo could only do at 800x600x16. So far I am very impressed but I am still having trouble in UT engine games so I am after some tips on how to run these types of games as I'm not sure if I should be trying to tweak them for Direct3D or Open GL. Please advise if you can or tell me a few sites I can go to for Kyro2 tips.
TBird1050(ARGA9)-Volcano11 Fan, Bus@105,JumperMode@1.75V-Core
A7V(rev 1.01)-(Bios Gone Back To 1008)
Temps: room 75f(-CPU idle/36 load/39) -Mobo 29
Mitsubishi Diamond View Diamondtron NF 19" Monitor@1280x1024
256 Meg PC133 Hyundai Ram(3-2-2)
V3 3000 AGP@195(Hyundai Ram)-TV Out--Now Kyro2 TV out 64 meg
2 PCI Slot coolers "Exhaust"
Lower Front Case Intake Fan and a 90mm side case exhaust fan
Medium fan blowing across rear of V3
Just Cooler HD-100 Hard Drive Cooling Kit
Alum Case + good 300Watt Supply
WD30gig ATA100 7200RPM Hard Drive(on the Promise Controller)
2x8 gig WD UDMA66 5400RPM Hard Drives(Primary IDE)
Sony CD-RW CRX140E 8 Speed Burner
Creative PC-DVDx4.8 Rom Drive
Surfboard SB3100 USB Cable Modem
3C90x Fast EtherLink XL/EtherLink XL PCI Bus Master NIC
MX300 Aureal Sound(2050 Aureal Drivers)
Powered Energy Saver 4 port USB Hub
Cambridge SoundWorks 4 point Surround Sound
Kodak DC215 Zoom Camera(Com 4)IRQ 10
Acer Prisa 310P Scanner
HP Deskjet840c Printer(USB)
Microsoft USB IntelliMouse Optical
Logitech Internet Keyboard
Duel Booting between Win98SE and Win2000
MainlyusedforSurfing,Chat+HeavyGaming-UT,Unreal,Q3,Q2,SOF,Rune,SeriousSam,HeavyMetalFakk2,MaxPayne!!!???,Wolfenstein,Revolt,AdventurePinball-3dfx,DXBall-1+2, Serious Sam Second Encounter,AVP 2.
Just to get off the subject for a minute, I just recently upgraded/swapped my V3 3000 for a Kyro2 and was probably expecting too much out of it in the way of compatability with all the various games I play as when I first installed it, I went straight into my favourite games and started to get problems(i.e. Unreal,UT, other glide games and other Direct3d games as well(although other games based on the Q3 Engine worked straight off the bat and beautifully I may add. I had been too spoilt with the Voodoo cards over my gaming life as they play most games even without tweaking. Anyway, I stayed up all night trying to get the Kyro2 to work in most of my games and I was almost going to give up and get a Geforce2TI 200. I kept persisting the next day and also read some forum help tips and made some changes in my Bios(UC not UWUC and AGP 2x) then slowly worked through the Kyro Driver Properties Tab to set up my games one by one and sure enough it was well worth the trouble!!! Games like RTCW,Rune, Serious Sam 1+2, and other look amazing in32 bit color and higher resolutions(1024x768 and 1280x1024) and play at the same frame rates that my voodoo could only do at 800x600x16. So far I am very impressed but I am still having trouble in UT engine games so I am after some tips on how to run these types of games as I'm not sure if I should be trying to tweak them for Direct3D or Open GL. Please advise if you can or tell me a few sites I can go to for Kyro2 tips.
TBird1050(ARGA9)-Volcano11 Fan, Bus@105,JumperMode@1.75V-Core
A7V(rev 1.01)-(Bios Gone Back To 1008)
Temps: room 75f(-CPU idle/36 load/39) -Mobo 29
Mitsubishi Diamond View Diamondtron NF 19" Monitor@1280x1024
256 Meg PC133 Hyundai Ram(3-2-2)
V3 3000 AGP@195(Hyundai Ram)-TV Out--Now Kyro2 TV out 64 meg
2 PCI Slot coolers "Exhaust"
Lower Front Case Intake Fan and a 90mm side case exhaust fan
Medium fan blowing across rear of V3
Just Cooler HD-100 Hard Drive Cooling Kit
Alum Case + good 300Watt Supply
WD30gig ATA100 7200RPM Hard Drive(on the Promise Controller)
2x8 gig WD UDMA66 5400RPM Hard Drives(Primary IDE)
Sony CD-RW CRX140E 8 Speed Burner
Creative PC-DVDx4.8 Rom Drive
Surfboard SB3100 USB Cable Modem
3C90x Fast EtherLink XL/EtherLink XL PCI Bus Master NIC
MX300 Aureal Sound(2050 Aureal Drivers)
Powered Energy Saver 4 port USB Hub
Cambridge SoundWorks 4 point Surround Sound
Kodak DC215 Zoom Camera(Com 4)IRQ 10
Acer Prisa 310P Scanner
HP Deskjet840c Printer(USB)
Microsoft USB IntelliMouse Optical
Logitech Internet Keyboard
Duel Booting between Win98SE and Win2000
MainlyusedforSurfing,Chat+HeavyGaming-UT,Unreal,Q3,Q2,SOF,Rune,SeriousSam,HeavyMetalFakk2,MaxPayne!!!???,Wolfenstein,Revolt,AdventurePinball-3dfx,DXBall-1+2, Serious Sam Second Encounter,AVP 2.
I have no problems in direct3d (I only use d3d in U.T.)
minor bugs in opengl prevent me to play in OGL in U.T.
one bug is annoying me there... UT only have 2 resolutions avaiable 1280x0124 and 1280x960
I don't even have a profile for U.T. on kyro driver optimization.
try reinstall UT again...
for the good old unreal...
you must have the last patch with direct3d...
without it it will only support glide ...
even then you must enable direct3d and you must change some settings there...
it's in software mode by default... I think ....
you should enable some other feature to improve image quality...
you must play with unreal game settings, by default unreal could be awfull.
I am using windows XP,and last hercules drivers for xp.
minor bugs in opengl prevent me to play in OGL in U.T.
one bug is annoying me there... UT only have 2 resolutions avaiable 1280x0124 and 1280x960
I don't even have a profile for U.T. on kyro driver optimization.
try reinstall UT again...
for the good old unreal...
you must have the last patch with direct3d...
without it it will only support glide ...
even then you must enable direct3d and you must change some settings there...
it's in software mode by default... I think ....
you should enable some other feature to improve image quality...
you must play with unreal game settings, by default unreal could be awfull.
I am using windows XP,and last hercules drivers for xp.
You guys actually had problems with UT? And what's with only getting two resolutions? We get everything from 640x480 to 1600x1200. I'd say a major patching was in order. Only problem I ever had with a Kyro and UT was having to turn off "detail textures", which is kinda sad because I like the way textures look with it on up close. I guess I should be paying more attention to getting my next kill though anyway. Basically, never had any problems here. You guys did a COMPLETE uninstall of everything from your old vid boards, right?
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BFG even though I can tell the difference between avg. fps of 60 and 120fps, 60fps is NOT a SLIDE SHOW! No matter how you look at it.
If I can see jerkiness and stuttering in a lot of places (as I can at an average of 60 FPS) then it is a slideshow.
Slide show is where a picture is placed on a projector and is shown 1 picture at a time. Your definition of slide show is WRONG!
I'm not even going to bother responding to that. You know exactly what I mean yet you insist on playing these games.
I did say that but you ignored it in my previous post.
Then you know why exactly why I prefer 120 FPS over 60 FPS and why the opinion poll you created is worthless to this discussion.
What eye candy?
Uh, that would be the eye candy that I get from running the game with higher details at a smoother frame rate.
If I can see jerkiness and stuttering in a lot of places (as I can at an average of 60 FPS) then it is a slideshow.
Slide show is where a picture is placed on a projector and is shown 1 picture at a time. Your definition of slide show is WRONG!
I'm not even going to bother responding to that. You know exactly what I mean yet you insist on playing these games.
I did say that but you ignored it in my previous post.
Then you know why exactly why I prefer 120 FPS over 60 FPS and why the opinion poll you created is worthless to this discussion.
What eye candy?
Uh, that would be the eye candy that I get from running the game with higher details at a smoother frame rate.
*rant* 24 fps movies ARE NOT SMOOTH. Try focusing on something in Lord of the Rings when the camera pans quickly... I had a headache, alf way through the movie because of that. I am really looking forward to when the movie industry goes digital and I can finally (hopefully) get 60 fps at a movie I pay $11 to go see. *end rant*
-Ice
PS: I wouldn't touch the rest of this thread with a 10ft pole
-Ice
PS: I wouldn't touch the rest of this thread with a 10ft pole
I think he means Quincunx FSAA and 64 tap anisotropic filtering (among other goodies); you can't do that on GeForce 2 GTS. Here are some screenies I took while playing RTCW using my GeForce 3 Ti 500 with 2x FSAA and 32 tap anisotropic filtering:
FSAA. I have this.
64 tap anisotropic filtering. I have this too.
Among what goodies?
I might not be able to play with FSAA but I can do Aniso and play at 1280x1024. I feel that FSAA is useless in a FPS game because you constantly move around. The only thing you'll notice from FSAA is the gun your holding. However FSAA is good to use it on racing games and sims.
I'm not even going to bother responding to that. You know exactly what I mean yet you insist on playing these games.
Now I'm playing games. Yeah whatever dude.
Then you know why exactly why I prefer 120 FPS over 60 FPS and why the opinion poll you created is worthless to this discussion.
I'll say it again. Maybe you missed those bold letters. I created that pole to make a point. 60FPS is not a slide show.
Uh, that would be the eye candy that I get from running the game with higher details at a smoother frame rate.
No really. Me too.
FSAA. I have this.
64 tap anisotropic filtering. I have this too.
Among what goodies?
I might not be able to play with FSAA but I can do Aniso and play at 1280x1024. I feel that FSAA is useless in a FPS game because you constantly move around. The only thing you'll notice from FSAA is the gun your holding. However FSAA is good to use it on racing games and sims.
I'm not even going to bother responding to that. You know exactly what I mean yet you insist on playing these games.
Now I'm playing games. Yeah whatever dude.
Then you know why exactly why I prefer 120 FPS over 60 FPS and why the opinion poll you created is worthless to this discussion.
I'll say it again. Maybe you missed those bold letters. I created that pole to make a point. 60FPS is not a slide show.
Uh, that would be the eye candy that I get from running the game with higher details at a smoother frame rate.
No really. Me too.
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