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ZeRoSKiLL

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T&L = Transformation and Lighting

It's part of the drawing process, don't remember exactly where it fits in. On Geforce2 cards, this is done on board. If the card doesnt have a T&L Engine, it uses your CPU instead.
 

Bartman39

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Screw it.... gimmie one (check it out for myself...)


At less than half the price of a Geforce Ultra... (a must have...)


The wife may get my Radeon 64 VIVO yet...!
 

duragezic

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The kyro 2 is another waste of materials just as the geforce2 mx 64mb is...

That's kinda harsh. Care to explain more?

I think the Kyro 2 looks real promising. Providing it has good 2d and good drivers, I think it could be a good contender. I bet it will be like $130 within two weeks of being release because the ESP always seems to be higher than what retailers actually charge.
 

BFG10K

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The kyro 2 is another waste of materials just as the geforce2 mx 64mb is...

So, how long have you worked for ATi?
 

Verygreedy

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fallengod: Do you know ANYTHING about the Kyro II or GeForce II cards? I think the Kyro II sounds very impressive. I think that Im going to buy it and check it out for myself. I wonder if these will be tough to get. Sounds like there are a lot of closet buyers for this as well as gung-ho "must have" buyers.

-Greed :cool:
 

Guygye

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Looks really promising, but I need a well rounded card. This card seems to dominate in 1 aspect and look really bad in others. I prefer a card that is mediacore to good in all my games rather than great in this but can't play that one.
 
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I wouldn't say the Kyro 2 dominates in one aspect and performs horribly in the others. Seems like, from all the benches laying around that the Kyro, at higher resolutions it generally performs competitively with all the cards listed.

You just have to pick and choose which resolution you would like to play at. Each value card shines in one aspect, and performs poorly in another. Compromises must be made with all of the value cards listed (with the exception of the Ultra, but it is not a value card).

Take for instance the MX - The MX is horribly bandwidth crippled, runs like a pig at high resolutions with 32 bit color depth. Kyro is better suited for these situations, since bandwidth is not a problem.

Video card is largely a matter of preference. Each company provides one card aimed at one type of gamer.

3dfx (may it rest in peace) - excellent image quality, FSAA, big PCB's :), most compatible board I have ever seen.

ATi - very good image quality, solid, well rounded board (does DVD, gaming well), drivers initially sucked though (some would say they still do).

nVidia - produce the fastest video cards across the board on the plant, at the expense of image quality IMHO - which is poor when compared to the V5 and Radeon. These boards are generally marketed for people who like to benchmark the crap out of their system and never actually play their games. ;)
The GeForce, by virtue of nVidia's marketing muscle is the de facto standard in PC gaming right now.

Looks like from all of the marketing ST has put out there, the Kyro seems to be picking up where 3dfx left off. If they are able to offer these chips at a competitive price to all of the different board manufacturers out there, some of the competition could be in trouble.

Looking at the different business models ...

3dfx - did exceptionally well as a chip manufacturer/supplier, made their own boards, died a quick death at the hands of nVidia.

ATi - have traditionally made their own boards, had phenomenal success as an PC OEM board manuf. and as SOLE OEM provider to CrApple, nVidia steals their thunder with CrApple siezing the contract, and has had 2 consecutive bad quarters. (Writing could be on the wall? - without a successful Radeon II, and III it could be)

nVidia - the dominant force in chip supply today. Don't produce their own boards and reap astounding profits. With all that IP they bought from 3dfx, and the fact they have some of their engineers - could be scary.

ST - seems to be following the OLD 3dfx model. Successful? I predict it will be because....

Board manufacturers don't like being tied to one chip maker - ST could realistically make a 3dfx-like play for the value gamer market. If the launch with Hercules is a success, momentum could be built for a future Kyro 3 launch, with a lot of branded boards, which could seriously rock the PC world.

Competition --> Innovation. Innovation is always good.
 

snakesnfrogs

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advocate----nice take on the state of the video card business. Haven't seen it stated any better than that.....
 

Verygreedy

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Nice Advocate I agree with just about everything that you said. I loved 3Dfx Cards.. always have. Too bad.

I want an alternative to Nvidia... Kyro II looks like my solution for now.

After all..

competition ---> innovation ----> nice gaming!!

-Greed ;)
 

BFG10K

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The Kyro2 will totally dominate the budget video card market and will compete very well with the big guns. I think it's a well-rounded card and I hope there won't be any driver-related problems.
 

skace

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The KyroII is like that one person who always comes right as the party is ending. It is benchmarked with cards that have been on the market for their lifespan already and with new cards on the horizon.


<< This 150$ card beats the GF2U,and therefore probably also the GF3, in several of the tests. And then people say: it only beats the GF2U in some tests. Excuse me!?!?! The GF2U is top of the line. Nothing is supposed to beat it, NOTHING. >>


Sad that a lot of people overhype the product, saying the KyroII destroys the GF2U and then leaving out the fact that it was only in a few benchmarks. The GF2U isn't supposed to win every benchmark, I don't know who told you this. Concluding that it will beat the GF3 after viewing some previews is pretty laughable.


<< This is just an AWESOME videocard with an AWESOME price and help's a lot all gamers and normal people with an excelent upgrade without hawing to pay the 250-500$ >>


As far as prices are concerned, I paid this much for the Geforce1 and it has lasted me a lot longer than the KyroII probably will.


<< Kyro 2 Pre-order. Ships in 2 weeks >>


Preordering video cards is like shooting yourself in the foot. Wait for it to hit the market and then find out what skeletons it has hiding in its closet.


<< nVidia - produce the fastest video cards across the board on the plant, at the expense of image quality IMHO - which is poor when compared to the V5 and Radeon. These boards are generally marketed for people who like to benchmark the crap out of their system and never actually play their games. >>


Hum, seems like this is what people are doing with the KyroII. For people who actually play their games, I'd say the Geforce1 has the most longevity out of any card I've ever bought.
 
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Not exactly - people are going (future tense) to buy the Kyro 2 NOT to benchmark it, but because it outperforms other alternatives at a reasonable price in today's games. Nobody has purchased one yet.

Everything is related to benchmarks on sites which is all we have to pre-evaluate this card.

To support my point, which I'm not sure you understood...

nVidia has always been sold on - higher fill rates, polygons, polygons, polygons. Buy the GF2U becuase it is the fastest video card on the market! nVidia makes pure muscle chips, and nVidia afficionados typically laud epic framerates, even though the human eye can't really tell the difference (generally).

NVidia sells on the &quot;stats&quot; its chips put up, not on truly objective image quality. ATi is shifting to a numbers business as well - look at the way they are marketing the Radeon 2.

This is a numbers game now. This is unfortunate for the Kyro 2.
ST is TRYING to market it as superior ro a GF2 Pro, which will be hard to pull off across the board.

The Kyro 2 will not wow everybody with pure numbers, so it seems a little premature to predict that everybody will be buying a K2 to benchmark it. I KNOW however that people do benchmark the crap out on their nVidia based cards and waste hours here in the forums in a &quot;mine's faster than your's is&quot; benchmark war. (Ask yourself honestly - how well do you know the Q3 demo levels?)

The groups of people that the Kyro 2 and the GF2U are marketed towrds are completely different. The Kyro 2 should not even be classed against it. It is an efficient, image quality conscious, low cost solution.

The saddest part is that for $140 or so, an owner of a Kyro 2 will likely derive as much pleasure out of using it as a higher priced GF2.

In 8 months you won't want to own either card anyway - I say save your money now and buy a Kyro 2 to play with. If you are looking for a video card to invest in - good luck. They are poor investments.
 

TravisBickle

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great as the Kyro II looks, I guessed I wouldn't be buying it because my V5 was quite cheap anyway and is so compatible with every game. by the time features out of its capability are widely used and crucial in games I'd probably prefer a swanky GF3 for about $250 rather than $125 for a KyroII (say). we'll have to wait and see how it pans out I guess.
ATi is fearsomely competitive on price now, even though I wouldn't have one, and they've always been strong with OEMs.

edit: oh by the way, I predict the Radeon 2 will perform under the hype, be buggy as sh!t, and existing Radeon user base will be left crying into their antistatic bags.
 

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<< The Kyro2 will totally dominate the budget video card market and will compete very well with the big guns. I think it's a well-rounded card and I hope there won't be any driver-related problems. >>


Not unless it makes a major impact in the retail chain. I fear this video card will be a sleeper.


<< : oh by the way, I predict the Radeon 2 will perform under the hype, be buggy as sh!t, and existing Radeon user base will be left crying into their antistatic bags >>


LOL!:D
 

Shudder

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I think any card that's under 150 and performs this well is pretty damn sweet.

I for one would never pay more than 150.. I haven't yet and I don't intend to.

I just got a Radeon LE so I doubt I'll pick up the Kyro 2. If I still only had a Voodoo 3 though, this would probably be a sweet pickup.
 

Dravic

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$140 no more...

Considering they just hit pricewatch at $89.. I would say that they are a FAbulous deal..


After my upgrade(1gz@1.4gz thunderbird) I have the cpu muscle for a no HW T&amp;L card, and if it scales at all with cpu's, then my 40% increase over the test bed should prove to be pretty sweet.

$89 unreal!!!!

 

Gulzakar

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Try playing Giants on it ;) just to see how badly it gets slapped.

Sorry folks, but T&amp;L is making a big difference in some of these newer games. Save yourself some pain and at least buy a Radeon LE for a low cost solution.
 

BFG10K

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Not unless it makes a major impact in the retail chain. I fear this video card will be a sleeper.

It should do alright. After seeing it's a budget card at $150, the first thing the consumer will notice is that it has 64 MB VRAM. That should be enough to generate some interest.