Kushner left more than 100 names off his thrice amended security clearance form

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nickqt

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No, it's simply not in the interests of people determined to apologize for the southern strategy to accept the factual gravity of that political relationship, no matter how obvious.

You believe that avoiding upsetting the players would somehow endear them to you, and open them up to accept compromise on other matters. Past reality show the effectiveness of that strategy plainly.
No, I don't believe that at all.

I've long ago realized that by calling them racists, I earn no points among the third parties reading the discussion, which effectively closes off changing a reasonable person's understanding and view of the situation.

This isn't about convincing a brain-damaged conservative who suffers from cognitive dissonance and projection, because that ship fucking sailed years ago.

It's about showing how unconvincing their absurd view of reality is for the people, who believe it or not, are sitting back and reading this thread, but not commenting at all.

But go ahead and keep screaming that anyone who you disagree with is a racist. You're turning the 2018 election singlehandedly with that brilliant strategy.
 

agent00f

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No, I don't believe that at all.

I've long ago realized that by calling them racists, I earn no points among the third parties reading the discussion, which effectively closes off changing a reasonable person's understanding and view of the situation.

This isn't about convincing a brain-damaged conservative who suffers from cognitive dissonance and projection, because that ship fucking sailed years ago.

It's about showing how unconvincing their absurd view of reality is for the people, who believe it or not, are sitting back and reading this thread, but not commenting at all.

But go ahead and keep screaming that anyone who you disagree with is a racist. You're turning the 2018 election singlehandedly with that brilliant strategy.

It literally changes the argument not at all to include third parties in said players above. If they're also too easily offended by the factual reality of the current and historical situation, it's not my job to be a politician or daycare specialist. In that vein, I would point out that liberals lose because liberals insist on being "reasonable" against strategies designed to counter that. Eg. the 50+ page threads on evolution, the centrist (ie half-degeneracy), and the list goes on.

Also just a reminder that it's not in your interest to emulate the "brain-damaged" by likewise distorting what I've said.
 

Jhhnn

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No, it's simply not in the interests of people determined to apologize for the southern strategy to accept the factual gravity of that political relationship, no matter how obvious.

You believe that avoiding upsetting the players would somehow endear them to you, and open them up to accept compromise on other matters. Past reality show the effectiveness of that strategy plainly.

So what you're saying is that if we let it be about race then we lose, which is why you make it about race every time, apparently.

I figure, for example, if we want white racists to support anti-poverty programs that we frame it in terms of white poverty of which there is plenty in this country. Get them to buy in. That's already been done with the ACA from which they benefit. They'd rather keep their Obamacare regardless of who else benefits. They'll let minorities ride along if it's good enough for them.
 

Jhhnn

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No, I don't believe that at all.

I've long ago realized that by calling them racists, I earn no points among the third parties reading the discussion, which effectively closes off changing a reasonable person's understanding and view of the situation.

This isn't about convincing a brain-damaged conservative who suffers from cognitive dissonance and projection, because that ship fucking sailed years ago.

It's about showing how unconvincing their absurd view of reality is for the people, who believe it or not, are sitting back and reading this thread, but not commenting at all.

But go ahead and keep screaming that anyone who you disagree with is a racist. You're turning the 2018 election singlehandedly with that brilliant strategy.

Well said. Thank you.
 

agent00f

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So what you're saying is that if we let it be about race then we lose, which is why you make it about race every time, apparently.

No, I'm saying there's good reason why the GOP PR dept will do anything to avoid discussing their underlying political alliance between the racists who provide the votes and the capitalists who provide the money, and that you et al agree to comply for whatever your rationalizations are. Please for your own sake have enough self-respect to avoid arguing like them.

I figure, for example, if we want white racists to support anti-poverty programs that we frame it in terms of white poverty of which there is plenty in this country. Get them to buy in. That's already been done with the ACA from which they benefit. They'd rather keep their Obamacare regardless of who else benefits. They'll let minorities ride along if it's good enough for them.
Well said. Thank you.

Please go discuss with nick why you disagree about convincing brain-damaged conservatives, instead of nodding along just because he's against me and you gauge one of us more threatening than the other.
 

Jhhnn

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No, I'm saying there's good reason why the GOP PR dept will do anything to avoid discussing their underlying political alliance between the racists who provide the votes and the capitalists who provide the money, and that you et al agree to comply for whatever your rationalizations are. Please for your own sake have enough self-respect to avoid arguing like them.

So what? That happens. It's a given. The leadership merely deflects when challenged. Just because they pander to racist sentiment doesn't mean that's the only reason people vote for 'em, however. Gun enthusiasts & Christian Fundies have their own rationale as do small gubmint believers.


Please go discuss with nick why you disagree about convincing brain-damaged conservatives, instead of nodding along just because he's against me and you gauge one of us more threatening than the other.

You quoted me & then deflected from the point entirely.
 

agent00f

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So what? That happens. It's a given. The leadership merely deflects when challenged. Just because they pander to racist sentiment doesn't mean that's the only reason people vote for 'em, however. Gun enthusiasts & Christian Fundies have their own rationale as do small gubmint believers.

Of course it's not the only/exclusive alliance within the GOP, just the key one as shown by every empirical metric and historical reality. It's also a fact that by mathematical set logic, aligning with the GOP necessarily implies aligning with this majority racist party. That's just what various people choose to do politically to attain their ends.

You quoted me & then deflected from the point entirely.

I'm pointing out that your major disagreement there is with nick. I tend to agree that they're not "brain damaged" and can be convinced otherwise, just like the nazis were, but not by coddling.
 

Meghan54

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To be completely fair, Goldwater was a supporter of the Civil Rights Act, until the Commerce clause was added. Guess it was a step too far. But to insinuate Goldwater was opposed to the Act from the beginning is dishonest.

Before reminiscing too much keep in mind Goldwater opposed the civil rights act.
 

UberNeuman

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lol.... oh, what a day!
 

agent00f

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To be completely fair, Goldwater was a supporter of the Civil Rights Act, until the Commerce clause was added. Guess it was a step too far. But to insinuate Goldwater was opposed to the Act from the beginning is dishonest.

Just FYI I replied to his earlier: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...y-clearance-form.2511035/page-5#post-38984801

I took objection to the claim of "morals", which I believe is fair enough given dropping civil rights due to some personal constitutional beef is hardly moral. Also worth noting that "state rights" was the rally cry for sons of confederacy afterward.
 

woolfe9998

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Bringing this back to Kushner and his 100 belatedly added names, I just saw a piece on Fox News where Shepard Smith points out that even after he added those 100 names, he didn't add the Russian lawyer or this meeting. And who knows how many more he still hasn't added.
 
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trenchfoot

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I really can't see how the Trump Clan can get any kind of a restful night's sleep what with the walls closing in on them that's so inexorably and excruciatingly steady in its pace.

I really can't see how Trump's supporters can, even in their most wildest fantasies still believe that Trump is still looking out for their best interests if those interests have anything to do with improving their quality of life, improving their access to health care and having that health care be affordable for all of the nation's citizens. Nor do I see these supporters accepting the fact that Trump and his sons have criminalized themselves in order to win the big one, the jackpot that opens doors this clan could only dream about and of which have absolutely nothing to do with "making America great again."

So I guess Trump's supporters have other more pressing priorities than their health care, or their prospects of securing jobs that provide a long term living wage, or how the gov't have been busy protecting their food, the air they breathe and all of those other things that they simply take for granted and believe that they would be able to keep if they put their faith and trust in the GOP and scam artists like Trump.

All that while the GOP is fixated on taking these things from them one thing at a time and giving these things to their wealthy sponsors.

The Trump Clan got caught attempting to exploit their business dealings with certain "foreigners" as a way to acquire political advantage that both the Clan and these "foreign entities" could tremendously benefit from in so many self-interested ways. The Trump Clan sold out the nation to foreign entities in order to personally enrich themselves. Tell me it ain't so.

That these exploits also gave the GOP complete control of the gov't has made the GOP controlled House and Senate lapdogs of the Trump Family Empire with their willingness to take their utmost advantage of the Trump ascendancy despite how corrupt and power hungry they've made themselves out to be ever since Saint Reagan showed them the light of trickle down trickery.
 
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agent00f

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I really can't see how Trump's supporters can, even in their most wildest fantasies still believe that Trump is still looking out for their best interests if those interests have anything to do with improving their quality of life, improving their access to health care and having that health care be affordable for all of the nation's citizens.

Higher social status than minorities improve their quality of life. I mean, that was rather the point of slavery, segregation, etc.

Nor do I see these supporters accepting the fact that Trump and his sons have criminalized themselves in order to win the big one, the jackpot that opens doors this clan could only dream about and of which have absolutely nothing to do with "making America great again."

That's because you're assuming trumpster are liberals. Classic liberal mistake.
 

Jhhnn

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Of course it's not the only/exclusive alliance within the GOP, just the key one as shown by every empirical metric and historical reality. It's also a fact that by mathematical set logic, aligning with the GOP necessarily implies aligning with this majority racist party. That's just what various people choose to do politically to attain their ends.



I'm pointing out that your major disagreement there is with nick. I tend to agree that they're not "brain damaged" and can be convinced otherwise, just like the nazis were, but not by coddling.

You're still dodging. I offered strategy & examples of how the issue of race can be transcended to the betterment of the Nation. You're on a Quixotic shaming quest.
 

agent00f

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You're still dodging. I offered strategy & examples of how the issue of race can be transcended to the betterment of the Nation. You're on a Quixotic shaming quest.

How's that strategy been working out? Would you say better than during Reconstruction?
 

Jhhnn

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How's that strategy been working out? Would you say better than during Reconstruction?

I already pointed to the ACA & to the fact that white Appalachia receives a lot of anti-poverty spending along with other needy groups. You won't increase buy-in screaming about race. You just put people on the other side of a divide of your own contrivance.
 

agent00f

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I already pointed to the ACA & to the fact that white Appalachia receives a lot of anti-poverty spending along with other needy groups. You won't increase buy-in screaming about race. You just put people on the other side of a divide of your own contrivance.

I think you know the answer to those questions.
 

agent00f

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Yeh- I gave them to you.

No, I think you know this coddling strategy you've no doubt attempted for a number of years here has been going about as convincing with these degens as it did convincing sons of the confederacy out of segregation.
 

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I tried to read the thread, but it devolved into name calling and insults, straying off topic as usual. So with that, I will try to shed some light on how I see it, based off my experience.

Having to amend a security clearance form is not uncommon at all. Leaving names off is not that uncommon at all. Mine had to be amended a few times, I had to add names, places. Currently holding a Secret from DOD, and a Q clearance from DOE (equivalent to a DOD Top Secret), with an additional HRP I can attest that it is a very in-depth process. The way it works, is you fill out a very lengthy online form (e-Quip), that wants basically everything about you. Every residence from the last 10 years, criminal events, family tree information, etc. It does go on to ask many questions about "foreign agencies", such as selling or buying properties, donations, along with more. After you fill it out, it gets assigned to an OPM-FIS investigator. OPM does 90% of the Federal Governments background investigations. This person meets with you face to face. Mine had the form printed off, and we went over it point by point. It took 5 hours. She recorded it, and as well as wrote everything I said down. Couldn't use a laptop, had to be paper. I asked, forget why she said it was that way. She then went to meet my listed references, asked all sorts of questions. Then asked for three more people that they knew, that knew me. She had to outsource to another investigator because they were over a days drive away. They don't just call these people, they meet face to face. While all this is going on, they run the regular background checks, financial records, criminal records, etc. They try to find anything that was not listed.

Because I don't care to share personal parts because context matters, unlike many who tell nothing of themselves and instead just rain down insults trying to act high and mighty, an example of how I "left off names". My mother got remarried very late in life, he had three kids. These were now my brothers and sister. They live several states away, I had never had any contact with them. No text, no email, no phone call, no nothing. I still have not. I didn't add them on the security clearance form. It wanted their name, dob, address, phone number, etc for all immediate family members. I didn't think it really mattered, as I said, no contact ever with them. And honestly filling out that form was stressing, it goes into such depth it takes a very long time. Well it mattered, everything matters when going through this. So I had to meet up again with my investigator who was in charge of this, and explain it. Then she had to go back and check things out.

I had "lived" many different places in the ten years they wanted the time frame for. South Carolina, Alaska, Oregon, California, Virginia, Italy, Uganda, Rwanda, Nigeria, Senegal, Iraq, Afghanistan, and a few more. There can be no time gaps between places that you live. I couldn't remember every exact detail. She also wanted people who knew me from these places. Where exactly did I stay, who was with me, etc. I am not comparing my experience with Kushner, and don't imagine we travel in the same circles at all. I would imagine he met with many people of foreign nations, lived many places, has many distant family members. For him, I would imagine they are really looking at foreign contacts, and the relationship of them. They ask so many questions, often times the same question just in a different form. They look hard at finances. They are looking for anything that you can be blackmailed or otherwise compromised, to get information that you may be able to acquire from where you work or people you may know. My wife does not know what I do, she has a round about idea and that is it. She knows not to ask any questions, its just better for everyone that way. I do not tell friends. People have pissed others off, and they have gotten them into trouble and even losing their jobs by calling into their work making a statement about them. Even if someone calls in lying and claiming that they stole something from them, or did anything like that, they would have their clearance suspended immediately, and they could not work until there was an investigation. This has happened many times. Most times from a pissed off ex.

To clear up some ignorance and flat out false statements, he would not be "fired" or "arrested" for doing this. However, it could lead up to that. What would happen to us if they uncovered something that they found during the initial investigation, is they would continue to investigate it to its fullest. Not awarding the clearance until they are ok with everything. We have to go through a very abbreviated version every year involving a shrink visit, physical, etc, and then at 5 years anther lengthy one. If something is found after the clearance is granted, the clearance would be suspended. If that person was on site, they would be escorted off. If at home, they would be advised and they cannot get onto site. Their clearance is not revoked, just suspended. Until further investigation can be done. It could be for an arrest or speeding ticket that was not told about, a lien on property, divorce, adoption, whatever. They want to know everything and anything as soon as it happens. What may seem like nothing to most people, is something to them. It can be very annoying.

If we do not tell them about it, it can be an act of deception. The same as if leaving someone off the security clearance form. After an explanation, they will decide if it was a deliberate act of deception, or just a mistake. The one thing you absolutely cannot do, is lie to them. They will likely find out. If they catch you in a lie, you are done. I have seen many people here lose their jobs, to something so silly as a lie. Admitting you did something will get you into trouble, but most often not fired. Lying will get you fired, no buts about it.

Saying all that. if it where here, his clearance would be suspended. They would clear things up with him, track down these people, and go on. At that point, they would make the decision to reinstate or revoke his clearance. He could have very well left people off, to hide ties he didn't want known. He could have just not thought about it, or thought it was insignificant. His tree of people I would imagine is far greater than mine, people he knows, places he has been, etc. The whole idea that having to amend his security clearance is something to get fired or arrested for is just false though. What they could potentially find out digging further though, could lead up to that. That would depend on what, if anything was uncovered.

This is not an excuse for anything he has done, even though I have no doubts some will use it as that. Its a closer look at how it all works, and that amendments are not uncommon at all. 100 does seem pretty excessive though.

Since someone brought it up, Hillary should have absolutely gotten her TS suspended until the investigation was over. Talk about privilege.
 

agent00f

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I tried to read the thread, but it devolved into name calling and insults, straying off topic as usual. So with that, I will try to shed some light on how I see it, based off my experience.

Having to amend a security clearance form is not uncommon at all. Leaving names off is not that uncommon at all. Mine had to be amended a few times, I had to add names, places. Currently holding a Secret from DOD, and a Q clearance from DOE (equivalent to a DOD Top Secret), with an additional HRP I can attest that it is a very in-depth process. The way it works, is you fill out a very lengthy online form (e-Quip), that wants basically everything about you. Every residence from the last 10 years, criminal events, family tree information, etc. It does go on to ask many questions about "foreign agencies", such as selling or buying properties, donations, along with more. After you fill it out, it gets assigned to an OPM-FIS investigator. OPM does 90% of the Federal Governments background investigations. This person meets with you face to face. Mine had the form printed off, and we went over it point by point. It took 5 hours. She recorded it, and as well as wrote everything I said down. Couldn't use a laptop, had to be paper. I asked, forget why she said it was that way. She then went to meet my listed references, asked all sorts of questions. Then asked for three more people that they knew, that knew me. She had to outsource to another investigator because they were over a days drive away. They don't just call these people, they meet face to face. While all this is going on, they run the regular background checks, financial records, criminal records, etc. They try to find anything that was not listed.

Because I don't care to share personal parts because context matters, unlike many who tell nothing of themselves and instead just rain down insults trying to act high and mighty, an example of how I "left off names". My mother got remarried very late in life, he had three kids. These were now my brothers and sister. They live several states away, I had never had any contact with them. No text, no email, no phone call, no nothing. I still have not. I didn't add them on the security clearance form. It wanted their name, dob, address, phone number, etc for all immediate family members. I didn't think it really mattered, as I said, no contact ever with them. And honestly filling out that form was stressing, it goes into such depth it takes a very long time. Well it mattered, everything matters when going through this. So I had to meet up again with my investigator who was in charge of this, and explain it. Then she had to go back and check things out.

I had "lived" many different places in the ten years they wanted the time frame for. South Carolina, Alaska, Oregon, California, Virginia, Italy, Uganda, Rwanda, Nigeria, Senegal, Iraq, Afghanistan, and a few more. There can be no time gaps between places that you live. I couldn't remember every exact detail. She also wanted people who knew me from these places. Where exactly did I stay, who was with me, etc. I am not comparing my experience with Kushner, and don't imagine we travel in the same circles at all. I would imagine he met with many people of foreign nations, lived many places, has many distant family members. For him, I would imagine they are really looking at foreign contacts, and the relationship of them. They ask so many questions, often times the same question just in a different form. They look hard at finances. They are looking for anything that you can be blackmailed or otherwise compromised, to get information that you may be able to acquire from where you work or people you may know. My wife does not know what I do, she has a round about idea and that is it. She knows not to ask any questions, its just better for everyone that way. I do not tell friends. People have pissed others off, and they have gotten them into trouble and even losing their jobs by calling into their work making a statement about them. Even if someone calls in lying and claiming that they stole something from them, or did anything like that, they would have their clearance suspended immediately, and they could not work until there was an investigation. This has happened many times. Most times from a pissed off ex.

To clear up some ignorance and flat out false statements, he would not be "fired" or "arrested" for doing this. However, it could lead up to that. What would happen to us if they uncovered something that they found during the initial investigation, is they would continue to investigate it to its fullest. Not awarding the clearance until they are ok with everything. We have to go through a very abbreviated version every year involving a shrink visit, physical, etc, and then at 5 years anther lengthy one. If something is found after the clearance is granted, the clearance would be suspended. If that person was on site, they would be escorted off. If at home, they would be advised and they cannot get onto site. Their clearance is not revoked, just suspended. Until further investigation can be done. It could be for an arrest or speeding ticket that was not told about, a lien on property, divorce, adoption, whatever. They want to know everything and anything as soon as it happens. What may seem like nothing to most people, is something to them. It can be very annoying.

If we do not tell them about it, it can be an act of deception. The same as if leaving someone off the security clearance form. After an explanation, they will decide if it was a deliberate act of deception, or just a mistake. The one thing you absolutely cannot do, is lie to them. They will likely find out. If they catch you in a lie, you are done. I have seen many people here lose their jobs, to something so silly as a lie. Admitting you did something will get you into trouble, but most often not fired. Lying will get you fired, no buts about it.

Saying all that. if it where here, his clearance would be suspended. They would clear things up with him, track down these people, and go on. At that point, they would make the decision to reinstate or revoke his clearance. He could have very well left people off, to hide ties he didn't want known. He could have just not thought about it, or thought it was insignificant. His tree of people I would imagine is far greater than mine, people he knows, places he has been, etc. The whole idea that having to amend his security clearance is something to get fired or arrested for is just false though. What they could potentially find out digging further though, could lead up to that. That would depend on what, if anything was uncovered.

This is not an excuse for anything he has done, even though I have no doubts some will use it as that. Its a closer look at how it all works, and that amendments are not uncommon at all. 100 does seem pretty excessive though.

Since someone brought it up, Hillary should have absolutely gotten her TS suspended until the investigation was over. Talk about privilege.

Serious question: if you get roped into a meeting to trade russian state intel for help on unfreezing russian assets, would you remember to put the names on your security clearance form?
 
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ivwshane

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I tried to read the thread, but it devolved into name calling and insults, straying off topic as usual. So with that, I will try to shed some light on how I see it, based off my experience.

Having to amend a security clearance form is not uncommon at all. Leaving names off is not that uncommon at all. Mine had to be amended a few times, I had to add names, places. Currently holding a Secret from DOD, and a Q clearance from DOE (equivalent to a DOD Top Secret), with an additional HRP I can attest that it is a very in-depth process. The way it works, is you fill out a very lengthy online form (e-Quip), that wants basically everything about you. Every residence from the last 10 years, criminal events, family tree information, etc. It does go on to ask many questions about "foreign agencies", such as selling or buying properties, donations, along with more. After you fill it out, it gets assigned to an OPM-FIS investigator. OPM does 90% of the Federal Governments background investigations. This person meets with you face to face. Mine had the form printed off, and we went over it point by point. It took 5 hours. She recorded it, and as well as wrote everything I said down. Couldn't use a laptop, had to be paper. I asked, forget why she said it was that way. She then went to meet my listed references, asked all sorts of questions. Then asked for three more people that they knew, that knew me. She had to outsource to another investigator because they were over a days drive away. They don't just call these people, they meet face to face. While all this is going on, they run the regular background checks, financial records, criminal records, etc. They try to find anything that was not listed.

Because I don't care to share personal parts because context matters, unlike many who tell nothing of themselves and instead just rain down insults trying to act high and mighty, an example of how I "left off names". My mother got remarried very late in life, he had three kids. These were now my brothers and sister. They live several states away, I had never had any contact with them. No text, no email, no phone call, no nothing. I still have not. I didn't add them on the security clearance form. It wanted their name, dob, address, phone number, etc for all immediate family members. I didn't think it really mattered, as I said, no contact ever with them. And honestly filling out that form was stressing, it goes into such depth it takes a very long time. Well it mattered, everything matters when going through this. So I had to meet up again with my investigator who was in charge of this, and explain it. Then she had to go back and check things out.

I had "lived" many different places in the ten years they wanted the time frame for. South Carolina, Alaska, Oregon, California, Virginia, Italy, Uganda, Rwanda, Nigeria, Senegal, Iraq, Afghanistan, and a few more. There can be no time gaps between places that you live. I couldn't remember every exact detail. She also wanted people who knew me from these places. Where exactly did I stay, who was with me, etc. I am not comparing my experience with Kushner, and don't imagine we travel in the same circles at all. I would imagine he met with many people of foreign nations, lived many places, has many distant family members. For him, I would imagine they are really looking at foreign contacts, and the relationship of them. They ask so many questions, often times the same question just in a different form. They look hard at finances. They are looking for anything that you can be blackmailed or otherwise compromised, to get information that you may be able to acquire from where you work or people you may know. My wife does not know what I do, she has a round about idea and that is it. She knows not to ask any questions, its just better for everyone that way. I do not tell friends. People have pissed others off, and they have gotten them into trouble and even losing their jobs by calling into their work making a statement about them. Even if someone calls in lying and claiming that they stole something from them, or did anything like that, they would have their clearance suspended immediately, and they could not work until there was an investigation. This has happened many times. Most times from a pissed off ex.

To clear up some ignorance and flat out false statements, he would not be "fired" or "arrested" for doing this. However, it could lead up to that. What would happen to us if they uncovered something that they found during the initial investigation, is they would continue to investigate it to its fullest. Not awarding the clearance until they are ok with everything. We have to go through a very abbreviated version every year involving a shrink visit, physical, etc, and then at 5 years anther lengthy one. If something is found after the clearance is granted, the clearance would be suspended. If that person was on site, they would be escorted off. If at home, they would be advised and they cannot get onto site. Their clearance is not revoked, just suspended. Until further investigation can be done. It could be for an arrest or speeding ticket that was not told about, a lien on property, divorce, adoption, whatever. They want to know everything and anything as soon as it happens. What may seem like nothing to most people, is something to them. It can be very annoying.

If we do not tell them about it, it can be an act of deception. The same as if leaving someone off the security clearance form. After an explanation, they will decide if it was a deliberate act of deception, or just a mistake. The one thing you absolutely cannot do, is lie to them. They will likely find out. If they catch you in a lie, you are done. I have seen many people here lose their jobs, to something so silly as a lie. Admitting you did something will get you into trouble, but most often not fired. Lying will get you fired, no buts about it.

Saying all that. if it where here, his clearance would be suspended. They would clear things up with him, track down these people, and go on. At that point, they would make the decision to reinstate or revoke his clearance. He could have very well left people off, to hide ties he didn't want known. He could have just not thought about it, or thought it was insignificant. His tree of people I would imagine is far greater than mine, people he knows, places he has been, etc. The whole idea that having to amend his security clearance is something to get fired or arrested for is just false though. What they could potentially find out digging further though, could lead up to that. That would depend on what, if anything was uncovered.

This is not an excuse for anything he has done, even though I have no doubts some will use it as that. Its a closer look at how it all works, and that amendments are not uncommon at all. 100 does seem pretty excessive though.

Since someone brought it up, Hillary should have absolutely gotten her TS suspended until the investigation was over. Talk about privilege.

Funny how you openly admit to having a double standard.
 

brycejones

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Serious question: if you get roped into a meeting to trade russian state intel for help on unfreezing russian assets, would you remember to put the names on your security clearance form?

Why put the names of democrat operatives on the disclosure? It was all set up.

Puts down the crack pipe.
 

Jhhnn

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Since someone brought it up, Hillary should have absolutely gotten her TS suspended until the investigation was over. Talk about privilege.

She wasn't in the govt at the time & lacked access to such information. It would have been a pointless gesture. You can leave the evil Hillary out of the discussion. She lost, remember?