Question KrisFix Germany video on 6800 and 6900 cards dying while running Adrenaline 22.11.2

Page 3 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
16,000
4,778
136
Hey guys I ran across his video tonight and was wondering if anybody has encountered this issue with the latest whql adrenaline driver? I have an AIB 6900 XT and run it but haven't seen anything weird apart from the normal stuff like the card randomly drops signal to my 2nd UW monitor. He's got over 50 cards as of his video and all died running the new driver irrespective of their individual use cases which were all different.

 

DAPUNISHER

Super Moderator CPU Forum Mod and Elite Member
Super Moderator
Aug 22, 2001
28,001
19,023
146
Still waiting for your proof.

proof of you owning the cards

a ton of data proving that you used the drivers and that they changed anything with the behavior of your cards.

And then I don’t see the reasoning why a miner should upgrade all his drivers to a new one. Pretty unnecessary, and a possible risk (no not magical destruction of cards via a harmless driver that works like all the others).

Anyway, you dodged my inquiry for proof, so there’s that. :)
Larry does not lie. 3 of my RDNA2 cards were purchased from him. I gave one to a friend to upgrade a 1650 Super, and still have 2. If you knew his history, you'd know some of us kid him about being Larry's PC warehouse, for good reason. Given the amount of PC parts I've bought or traded with him, there is zero doubt of his veracity on such matters.

Larry, you definitely need to troubleshoot the failures/ do your due diligence before trying the Scooby Doo villain unmasking. Because right now it is a bad look that is already drawing negative feedback.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,171
9,950
126
Still waiting for your proof.

proof of you owning the cards

a ton of data proving that you used the drivers and that they changed anything with the behavior of your cards.

And then I don’t see the reasoning why a miner should upgrade all his drivers to a new one. Pretty unnecessary, and a possible risk (no not magical destruction of cards via a harmless driver that works like all the others).

Anyway, you dodged my inquiry for proof, so there’s that. :)
Most people on this forum understand that I'm honest. You, obviously, do not.

I think that the path of least resistance is to add you to my ignore file.

I'm sorry that you don't see the reasoning behind me updating my drivers; I already explained that. Updated mining software needed an updated range of drivers.

You claim that the driver in question is "harmless" - what actual experience and proof do you have to offer in support of that viewpoint? Supposition that AMD can do no wrong?

You want proof that I own the cards? Look up my past mining-related posts on this forum, there's plenty of them.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,171
9,950
126
Larry, you definitely need to troubleshoot the failures/ do your due diligence before trying the Scooby Doo villain unmasking. Because right now it is a bad look that is already drawing negative feedback.
I agree. This is why I didn't bring it up, initially. Mining is semi-fraught with hardware peril. Most of the time, it's pretty hard to actually kill a card. But over-drawing PCI-E slot power can do it, and burn things up. (My supposition.)

I need to pull the 4x RX 5700 XT cards, and the RX 5700 card from the rigs that won't post or even power-on any more, to test them. They may both just coincidentally be PSU failures. But it's weird that they would BOTH go, within a few DAYS of updating the drivers.

Can flaky drivers spike the PSU and kill it?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Leeea

Stuka87

Diamond Member
Dec 10, 2010
6,240
2,559
136
Still waiting for your proof.

proof of you owning the cards

Larry has been here long enough, and has enough of a history that there is no reason to question him when it comes to cards he owns.

Sure, it would be good to trouble shoot the potential cause before saying this rumored issue was the cause. But he did state that he has not dug into it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Leeea

Stuka87

Diamond Member
Dec 10, 2010
6,240
2,559
136
Can flaky drivers spike the PSU and kill it?

A driver bug could cause GPUs to spike power, which would put additional load on the PSU. But it seems unlikely that would result in killing it outright. A power cycle should bring stuff back if the PSU went into overload protection due to some transient.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Leeea

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,171
9,950
126
Secondly, I've speculated for a while that cards built during the pandemic might end up with higher than normal failure rates due to manufacturers quietly or not so quietly subbing in lower quality low level parts in order to meet production quotas. Caps/mosfets/resistors/whatever that normally would have a MTBF of 1 million hours got subbed with parts that are good for 500K hours. Parts with larger voltage/amperage fluctuation tolerances got subbed with lower quality parts with very narrow tolerances, etc.

Its possible that now after a couple years those chickens are coming home to roost and we may start seeing more and more card failures of the prior gen across the board.

An interesting meta analysis would be seeing how many failed cards per manufactured card were built in 2020 vs 2021 vs 2022. I'd bet a disproportionately large number of the failures are coming from late 2021 models.
I agree with this assessment, BTW. My RX 6600 (RDNA2) cards were made during the pandemic, and relative to all my other mining cards, they have always been flaky as F. My RX 5700 XT cards (2x XFX, 2x Asus) have been rock-solid in comparison (bought during the last few months of 2020, at close to MSRP), which makes it all the weirder that that rig would "die" and not power-on. It has a 1200W Seasonic Platinum ATX PSU that is less than 2-3 years old.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Leeea

DAPUNISHER

Super Moderator CPU Forum Mod and Elite Member
Super Moderator
Aug 22, 2001
28,001
19,023
146
Can flaky drivers spike the PSU and kill it?
Your mining software stops working correctly with your previous drivers, but you go after the drivers as being the problem. Seem legit.
patrick-star-boo.gif


Seriously, the mining software would be my prime suspect. Mining is highly stressful on hardware no matter how much you tweak. 24/7/365 in constantly changing environmental conditions is bad juju.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Leeea and Khanan

Justinus

Diamond Member
Oct 10, 2005
3,160
1,498
136
A driver bug could cause GPUs to spike power, which would put additional load on the PSU. But it seems unlikely that would result in killing it outright. A power cycle should bring stuff back if the PSU went into overload protection due to some transient.

The only way I am aware a die could crack is if a VRM fails and sends a large jolt of voltage and/or current - This isn't something the bios would allow to happen with functioning VRM's on RDNA2 given its extremely restrictive voltage and frequency constraints. It really seems to me like the failure point is a bad VRM nuking the die. I sincerely doubt a VRM would simply suddenly go bad 1-2 months after a driver came out due to powerplay table changes in the driver - the extremely restrictive limits preclude that possibility. I think if there are legitimately as many broken cards as he claims, with the same diagnosis of a cracked die, it's likely a bad batch of VRM's that ended up failing after similar amounts of time (or they were mined cards where the VRM's were wore out to the point of failure due to constant load and heat).
 

DAPUNISHER

Super Moderator CPU Forum Mod and Elite Member
Super Moderator
Aug 22, 2001
28,001
19,023
146
I agree with this assessment, BTW. My RX 6600 (RDNA2) cards were made during the pandemic, and relative to all my other mining cards, they have always been flaky as F.
Yet they are buttery smooth, cool and quiet, as gaming cards. Both are in mini-ITX systems on top of it. Seems like there is a common factor in your difficulties I don't have here, what could it be? :p You should just stick to team green for mining bro, the gods have spoken. ;)

I will note that the XFX you sent me required a good cleaning and new paste and pads. You were upfront about the condition so it's all good. The performance bios on it was nerfed, and my buddy said he had to flash it. Considering how pimp my XFX 6800 is, it fosters questions in my mind concerning the effects of mining on RDNA2 far more than driver versions.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,171
9,950
126
Your mining software stops working correctly with your previous drivers, but you go after the drivers as being the problem.
Well, the mining software auto-updated, so there was really no going back to the older version. As well, the newer version of the mining software, demanded updated drivers to work optimally with it, so I updated to the newest ones. As a side effect, in the web control panel, I was now able to monitor the wattage that each rig used. So clearly, there were some additional lower-level driver interactions going on with the software. (After it updated.)

I'm not (exactly) trying to claim outright, that updated (Dec 2022-ish) Adrenaline drivers killed my cards, but that's one of the common denominators across my varied mining rigs, with various cards, mobos, and PSUs, and thus stands to reason that perhaps some suspicion should be cast that way.

Especially given how quickly all four rigs went kaput after updating the drivers on all of them.

Edit: If it were the mining software alone, I would expect issues with my NVidia rigs too, and I'm not seeing that.
 
Last edited:

DAPUNISHER

Super Moderator CPU Forum Mod and Elite Member
Super Moderator
Aug 22, 2001
28,001
19,023
146
Well, the mining software auto-updated, so there was really no going back to the older version. As well, the newer version of the mining software, demanded updated drivers to work optimally with it, so I updated to the newest ones. As a side effect, in the web control panel, I was now able to monitor the wattage that each rig used. So clearly, there were some additional lower-level driver interactions going on with the software.
I feel like we are entering r/selfawarewolves territory here. BTW I get aggro when lifting heavy so don't take any of this personally. I am simply treating your posts like anyone's I think help drive a crappy hypothesis with almost zero supporting evidence.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Leeea and IEC

Khanan

Senior member
Aug 27, 2017
203
91
111
Most people on this forum understand that I'm honest. You, obviously, do not.

I think that the path of least resistance is to add you to my ignore file.

I'm sorry that you don't see the reasoning behind me updating my drivers; I already explained that. Updated mining software needed an updated range of drivers.

You claim that the driver in question is "harmless" - what actual experience and proof do you have to offer in support of that viewpoint? Supposition that AMD can do no wrong?

You want proof that I own the cards? Look up my past mining-related posts on this forum, there's plenty of them.
Never cared, you’re not important to me, buddy.

Like the mod said you didn’t do your due diligence, no proof but a lot of baseless accusations, it’s your own fault you get accusations like these.

And now we have proof that it was bs, two well known personalities have tested it (aside from the YouTube guy I know that tests all drivers) and the driver is perfectly normal. :)

It’s still funny to me that he pretends to be”mining” in a time where mining is dead. “Auto Update drivers” I highly doubt that as well on something risky like a mining rig that needs tons of optimizations to run well. Nothing new that users blame AMD for their shortcomings, happens since 15 years and even when AMD has flawless drivers (for RDNA2) like now. It’s really tiring and boring like this whole thread.
 
Last edited:

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,171
9,950
126
I will note that the XFX you sent me required a good cleaning and new paste and pads. You were upfront about the condition so it's all good. The performance bios on it was nerfed, and my buddy said he had to flash it. Considering how pimp my XFX 6800 is, it fosters questions in my mind concerning the effects of mining on RDNA2 far more than driver versions.
Really? I was only mining on those for a few months. I think Newegg sold me one of those XFX cards that was re-shrink-wrapped inside of the box. Because two cards were one way, and one was different than the other two.

They were all bought supposedly new.

Yeah, RDNA2 cards seem a bit "fragile" for mining.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,171
9,950
126
@Fanatical Meat , you want to come pick up my four dead mining rigs and do a post-mortem? You can keep the hardware. (*)

I want to let the forum get to the bottom of this issue, but I just don't have the strength or energy.

(*) I'm claiming back the 4x RX 5700 server #2 chassis rig, as it is now up and running again. The other down mining rigs, you can still have if you like.

BTW, Bitcoin is up, mining may be profitable soon!
 
Last edited:

Hitman928

Diamond Member
Apr 15, 2012
5,078
7,454
136
What power rate makes even that tiny profit possible? When I look on whattomine.com, everything is still negative at 10c/KWh.

0$ / kWh. You can get this if you live in some form of high multi-unit building (e.g. an apartment or condo) and the landlord doesn't seem to care about the power bill, which is Larry's situation I believe.

You'll still probably never pay off the hardware purchase at that daily mining rate, but if he's using older hardware that was already paid for, then it's pure profit for him. Just a tiny bit of profit, but profit nonetheless.
 

Khanan

Senior member
Aug 27, 2017
203
91
111
0$ / kWh. You can get this if you live in some form of high multi-unit building (e.g. an apartment or condo) and the landlord doesn't seem to care about the power bill, which is Larry's situation I believe.

You'll still probably never pay off the hardware purchase at that daily mining rate, but if he's using older hardware that was already paid for, then it's pure profit for him. Just a tiny bit of profit, but profit nonetheless.
I don’t think so. Sellling the hardware off is the smartest move then, basically what all (sane) miners already did. He’s only losing money because his old hardware is losing worth every day he’s not selling it
 

Hitman928

Diamond Member
Apr 15, 2012
5,078
7,454
136
I don’t think so. Sellling the hardware off is the smartest move then, basically what all (sane) miners already did. He’s only losing money because his old hardware is losing worth every day he’s not selling it

It just depends on if you think crypto coin values will rise siginificantly again in the future or not. If you really believe they'll bounce back, mining now and waiting for the bounce makes sense (though of course you may be wrong). If you don't believe this or just aren't very confident that this will happen, it makes a lot more sense to sell your hardware as you suggest. Although, even if you believe the crypto market will recover, it still might make more sense to sell the hardware and just purchase the crypto. I guess then it comes down to how much of the mining activity you enjoy as a hobby.

This is just from a personal economics point of view.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Shmee and Leeea

fleshconsumed

Diamond Member
Feb 21, 2002
6,483
2,352
136
It just depends on if you think crypto coin values will rise siginificantly again in the future or not. If you really believe they'll bounce back, mining now and waiting for the bounce makes sense (though of course you may be wrong). If you don't believe this or just aren't very confident that this will happen, it makes a lot more sense to sell your hardware as you suggest. Although, even if you believe the crypto market will recover, it still might make more sense to sell the hardware and just purchase the crypto. I guess then it comes down to how much of the mining activity you enjoy as a hobby.

This is just from a personal economics point of view.
If mining returns are negative, is it smarter to simply buy crypto on exchange if you believe it'll rise in value.

There are edge cases where mining "may" still make sense, for example if you claim it as business on your taxes and take mining equipment as depreciation and/or if you have electric heat anyway. But by and large business deductions can only help so much, and very few people have electric heat either. So mining "in the red" is a fools errand.