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Korean Traitor admits prison camp story all lies.

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nickqt said:
Most NK citizens are brainwashed/programmed.

They'll tell you exactly what the brainwashers have programmed them to tell you.

There is virtually no possible way that NK citizens are able to think clearly and rationally given their government and their isolation.
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We're going to agree on this one. DCal is known for his anti-authoritarian positions which use NK as a shining example of freedom, prosperity, and enlightenment. No, that's not a joke. He'd have hung others here in the States, but Kim? There's a real love affair going on with DCal and him.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
We're going to agree on this one. DCal is known for his anti-authoritarian positions which use NK as a shining example of freedom, prosperity, and enlightenment. No, that's not a joke. He'd have hung others here in the States, but Kim? There's a real love affair going on with DCal and him.
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No way. Just no way. He HAS to be using sarcasm, right? Please tell me it's sarcasm. Please?
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
We're going to agree on this one. DCal is known for his anti-authoritarian positions which use NK as a shining example of freedom, prosperity, and enlightenment. No, that's not a joke. He'd have hung others here in the States, but Kim? There's a real love affair going on with DCal and him.
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I'm anti-authoritarian, but NK is pretty much the old-school example of an authoritarian/totalitarian regime.

At least here in the US, propaganda is hidden behind commercials and pushed out by the media, allowing a select minority to think rationally about their surroundings. In NK, it's old-fashioned do this or family members get disappeared, paired with virtually no outside contact. In essence, a cult that comprises a whole country.
 
"I made a mistake, I was in Camp #18 instead of Camp #14 at this one point in time" = ALL LIES! EVERY LAST WORD OF IT!


nickqt said:
Most NK citizens are brainwashed/programmed.

They'll tell you exactly what the brainwashers have programmed them to tell you.

There is virtually no possible way that NK citizens are able to think clearly and rationally given their government and their isolation.
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North Koreans were told and believed their country won last year's fifa world cup...
 
Interesting that OP refers to Shin as a traitor. What or whom did he betray exactly?

Title should be edited, it's clearly false. Some minor details of the story appear to be in question, that's the extent of it. It also doesn't matter one bit even if every word the guy said was a lie, there is plenty of incontrovertible evidence of just what kind of place NK really is. It's not based on one guy's story.
 
Double Trouble said:
Interesting that OP refers to Shin as a traitor. What or whom did he betray exactly?

Title should be edited, it's clearly false. Some minor details of the story appear to be in question, that's the extent of it. It also doesn't matter one bit even if every word the guy said was a lie, there is plenty of incontrovertible evidence of just what kind of place NK really is. It's not based on one guy's story.
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He defected to the puppet state and betrayed Korea, how else is he not a traitor.
 
DCal430 said:
He defected to the puppet state and betrayed Korea, how else is he not a traitor.
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Yes, in a strictly technical sense, he is a 'traitor' to North Korea, but here in reality, I doubt anyone would characterize him in such a negative connotation nor call South Korea a puppet state, unless they had some pro-NK agenda.

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nickqt said:
I'm anti-authoritarian, but NK is pretty much the old-school example of an authoritarian/totalitarian regime.

At least here in the US, propaganda is hidden behind commercials and pushed out by the media, allowing a select minority to think rationally about their surroundings. In NK, it's old-fashioned do this or family members get disappeared, paired with virtually no outside contact. In essence, a cult that comprises a whole country.
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Pretty much, although it seems to me that our democracy is more and more a front for an oligarchy in which both parties and corporations run the government for their mutual benefit while we snipe at each other and pretend that Obama or Bush or Sharpton or Limbaugh are on our side. Well I don't know what you think, but I agree that ours is far subtler. NK is entirely a cult of one personality and more directly brutal.
 
DCal430 said:
Look at this grief. No leader was loved more than Kim Jong Il. No evil dictator would command such love.

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You do understand, don't you, that anyone who doesn't display enough grief when "beloved leader" dies or display sufficient joy when "beloved leader" makes an appearance, will likely be viewed as disloyal in North Korea? And no one in North Korea wants any negative attention on themselves. What you are seeing are manufactured emotions.
 
inachu said:
He did not say all of it was lies. But I would still not consider him trust worthy.
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No. What he admitted that some of the details (for example, in which camp something happened, and the fact that he had not revealed that he'd attempted to escape twice before) were wrong. He continues to contend that pretty much all of the damning details written in the book about his experience in North Korean prison camps are true.

Read for yourself:

"admits parts of story are inaccurate"
 
LOL@how easily and completely trolled this forum sometimes is.

Really? People are going to take the bait and explain NK to the troll? Really?

LOL!
 
Did you even read the article you posted?

On Friday Jan. 16, Shin told Harden a revised version of the story. While he was born at Camp 14, he spent part of his youth at another complex, Camp 18, escaping twice before landing back at the first camp, he now says. And it was at Camp 18, not at Camp 14, that he betrayed his mother and brother, sharing their plan to escape, and then witnessing their executions. This and other new details came to light after fellow defectors raised questions about the tale. The new timeline, first published by the Washington Post, has yet to be confirmed.
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