Know what? I want Intel to burn.

[VirtualLarry]

Overclocking is disappearing for both AMD and Intel. You can't get much more out of a 2700X than it already does automatically.

That may be, due to the CPU mfgs getting better at extracting maximum performance out of the CPU automagically, but at least AMD still has enough enthusiast heart and cred, to offer manual OC options, across their entire liineup of CPUs and APUs for the AM4 platform.In contrast, all Intel does, is Segment, Segment, Segment, and Disable CPU features,to extract the maximum "tax" from every enthusiast as well as user.

As much as I dislike Intel's business practices, they did give us ATX, NUC, and mini-STX. AHCI and USB, too.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Your poll is bad and you should feel bad. I don't live in a black and white world.

I don't hate intel or nvidia for being the leaders in CPUs and GPUs, or for wanting to make money rather than focusing all of their efforts on catering to my whims.

I want AMD to succeed in both CPUs and GPUs so there is competition, because competition usually forces all companies in that market to try harder. I don't want intel or nvidia to fail because without competition AMD will become as lazy as intel was during the long stretch where AMD gave up competing at the high end.

When it's time to buy a new CPU, GPU, TV set, phone or can of soup I find the one that best suits my needs and buy it. Worship or hatred of faceless corporations isn't part of my buying process.

 

[moonbogg]

So this is an off topic thread now? Does that mean I can say...I haven't done this in a loooong time....

f..fuck?

teehee

Oh guess not! lol Sensored!

 

[Ketchup]

I don't know how long the OP has been following AMD and Intel, but the reason we don't want Intel to leave the market is seen in stuff like this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices,_Inc._v._Intel_Corp.

Takeaway: 9 years ago, Intel was forced to give AMD 1.25 billion dollars in their antitrust lawsuit, and AMD seemed to pretty much sit on it with their outdated technology for 8 years before they could give us some competitive CPUs. With no Intel, I can guarantee you these chips would have never happened.

 

[bbhaag]

lol @ this thread.

just a few months ago OP was raving about getting a 8700K because it was way better than anything AMD has to offer. such a 180 turnaround that I can't be bothered to point out all of the irony.

So you're saying this guy went from an Intel nut-hugger to an Intel hater in less than a few months? Haha what a tool

 

[zinfamous]

You'll still buy the next 7-series k moonbog, admit it.

You still more or less owe us a box-eating, remember?

 

[ImpulsE69]

Maybe it's because I've been milking a 2500k for years, but if you are constantly buying Intel's newest stuff, that's on you, not them.

 

[zinfamous]

So you're saying this guy went from an Intel nut-hugger to an Intel hater in less than a few months? Haha what a tool

that's not fair. OP's actually gone back and forth...in the space of a few months(year really), but he isn't really a nuthugger for anyone. I think moonbog honestly wants to see some current upstart like AMD impress him, but he's also a very specific number whore: IPC is all he craves. dude pre-ordered an 1800X, was going nuts about it, then read like, 3 pre-release charts and freaked out about two numbers, despite his ~$100 savings and 98% performance in 95% of tasks overall. Or whatever it was.

He cancelled the pre-order. But, he still begs loudly for AMD to "win." Meaning: "Impress me in my very specific, undefined, largely unreasonable way."

He's still good people, though.

 

[ultimatebob]

I don't know how long the OP has been following AMD and Intel, but the reason we don't want Intel to leave the market is seen in stuff like this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices,_Inc._v._Intel_Corp.

Takeaway: 9 years ago, Intel was forced to give AMD 1.25 billion dollars in their antitrust lawsuit, and AMD seemed to pretty much sit on it with their outdated technology for 8 years before they could give us some competitive CPUs. With no Intel, I can guarantee you these chips would have never happened.

I think that it was more like they took that money and developed the bulldozer platform and tweaks to that platform (which sucked), and eventually developed the Zen platform (which was surprisingly good).

Meanwhile, Intel seemingly put all of their efforts into improving laptop processors and server processors, while failing to do anything useful in the mobile/embedded field and letting their desktop processor improvements stagnate. That left them open to attack from ARM and AMD in those spaces.

 

[shortylickens]

Maybe it's because I've been milking a 2500k for years, but if you are constantly buying Intel's newest stuff, that's on you, not them.

I made the switch back to intel a while ago and even though I'm a regular gamer I only purchase new CPU's every other year.
I guess if I had lots of disposable income I'd upgrade more frequently. Or get a dog.

Yeah, I'd rather have a dog and regular checkups than a new CPU all the time.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I don't want to see Intel burn to the ground, but I'm not a fan of a lot of their methods, so I'd love to see a competitive AMD again.

OP, don't forget the likely connection between the bullshit claims about AMD by the chucklefucks in Israel. That has Intel written all over it, likely to try and make people think both companies were equally hurt by the Specter/Meltdown stuff.

I don't know how long the OP has been following AMD and Intel, but the reason we don't want Intel to leave the market is seen in stuff like this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices,_Inc._v._Intel_Corp.

Takeaway: 9 years ago, Intel was forced to give AMD 1.25 billion dollars in their antitrust lawsuit, and AMD seemed to pretty much sit on it with their outdated technology for 8 years before they could give us some competitive CPUs. With no Intel, I can guarantee you these chips would have never happened.

WTF, that's actually exactly why you'd be anti-Intel, as Intel robbed AMD of massive amounts of money when they had absolutely superior chips (the $1.25B was small compared to the damage Intel had done). Because AMD was in such poor shape (in no small part because of what Intel had done), they were desperate to get that amount of money even though they had a good case (they just couldn't risk pissing away the legal fees and waiting for the return over the length of the investigation), but basically had to take the settlement just so they could try and stay afloat while they tried to develop further. If they'd been flush with the money they should have been getting if not for Intel's anti-competitive tactics, we would've had much better competition between them for the past like 15 years.

 

[brianmanahan]

i love intel, they're the only CPU i buy

i used to use their SSDs too, until samsung got a lot better in performance+storage for the price

 

[Red Squirrel]

What I'd like to see is a fully open source architecture come into play and compete. Their chips would be drop in replacements in AMD or Intel motherboards... or they could also have their own motherboard line up. Does not necessarily need to be on the cutting edge of performance, but on price and fact that it's open and built around privacy. Ex: no backdoors. Intel is full of backdoors which are themselves full of security holes. AMD more or less the same (you never never really hear of them).

There needs to be healthy competition either way though, it would be bad if Intel or AMD died out.

 

[ultimatebob]

What I'd like to see is a fully open source architecture come into play and compete. Their chips would be drop in replacements in AMD or Intel motherboards... or they could also have their own motherboard line up. Does not necessarily need to be on the cutting edge of performance, but on price and fact that it's open and built around privacy. Ex: no backdoors. Intel is full of backdoors which are themselves full of security holes. AMD more or less the same (you never never really hear of them).

There needs to be healthy competition either way though, it would be bad if Intel or AMD died out.

That might actually happen, now that AMD was dumb enough to license their x86 manufacturing secrets to a Chinese hardware manufacturer. We should be seeing cheap drop in Zen clone chips and motherboards all over Alibaba about 18 months from now

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patric...v-and-gets-293-million-to-start/#aab585c9df82

 

[brianmanahan]

Bet you didnt hate them that much when they gave us the q9550, i7 920, 2500k, 4790k, and the 6700k.

the 2500k was amazing! OC'd easily to 4.3ghz, that bad boy lasted me 7 years, almost twice as long as any other CPU i've ever owned in the past 25 years

 

[brianmanahan]

So you're saying this guy went from an Intel nut-hugger to an Intel hater in less than a few months? Haha what a tool

i mean, moonbog has always been a nut

but he's MY nut

 

[Red Squirrel]

That might actually happen, now that AMD was dumb enough to license their x86 manufacturing secrets to a Chinese hardware manufacturer. We should be seeing cheap drop in Zen clone chips and motherboards all over Alibaba about 18 months from now

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patric...v-and-gets-293-million-to-start/#aab585c9df82

Haha that's pretty funny. Good ol Chinese R&D. Receive and Duplicate. In a way I don't really blame them... their IP laws are more lax so they may as well use that to their advantage. That's one of the reasons they are so successful at manufacturing things, they don't really have to worry about lawsuits.

 

[AdamK47]

Moonbogg requires validation of his opinions.

Not a lot of that happening here.

 

[brianmanahan]

Moonbogg requires validation of his opinions.

Not a lot of that happening here.

well you know what they say about opinions

 

[BurnItDwn]

I really loathed intel in their netburst days when they were doing lots of illegal anticompetitive crap. I'm not so sure they are the same "bad guy" that they used to be.