Know what? I want Intel to burn.

[moonbogg]

I want them out. I want them to be done, forever. I want AMD to kick the absolute crap out of them until no one even considers Intel's overpriced and over segmented garbage anymore. I want AMD's multi-die method to be the only cost effective way forward (which it probably is) and I want to watch Intel bury themselves under the crushing weight of their pride as they refuse to change their method and stick to monolithic piles of overpriced dung.
Also, I want Intel to do their best to save themselves by trying to enter the proper GPU market (lol) and then watch them choke and die on every last overpriced, underperforming transistor from their failed attempts to rip us off yet again with overpriced garbage "GPUs".
As things get smaller and smaller and more and more difficult, I hope they just experience one massive failure after another, driving themselves into the dirt. I want to see AMD kicking ALL OF THE EXPLETIVE at 7nm and watch Intel try to sell us another 14nm CPU. I'd love that. I'd so love that.
Yep, I HATE Intel. I have a deep hatred of them. But why? Its because they treated me like a dog for almost 10 years. They caged me in quad core hell and poked me with a stick, and then charged me for it at the end. Yep. They created within me a great resentment for holding out on core count and IPC for so long, simply because they thought they didn't need to try anymore. They were wrong, because now I hate them for it, deeply. I'm not alone. Almost every tech reviewer and their fans also love to watch Intel stumble and mess up. They love to point out Intel's mistakes. The customer base has built up resentment within them, and it shows big time.
Intel burnt through all their good will. It's gone. Totally gone. There is only one way to save themselves now, and it better involve low prices and kickass products, because if they don't deliver that, AMD will as they already have been.

 

[UsandThem]

So, if Intel crashes and burns like you seem to hope they will, you really believe AMD would not start doing the exact same things to potential threats you seem to hate Intel for?

When a company has such a superior product (on top of a mostly solid track record), all companies act the exact same way. AMD has a great product in Ryzen, but before that was released, they had nothing truly competitive for a decade.

I personally just don't comprehend how people seem to be so loyal to corporations, almost viewing them as family members. I buy the product that has the best $/performance, and that fits my needs. I could care less if that product has an Intel, AMD, or heck even a Cyrix stamp on it. Corporations are there to make as much of a profit as the market allows. Any goodwill type emotions people attach to them are just a good marketing campaign.

 

[moonbogg]

At this point, I don't care. Haters gonna hate, and I really hate Intel. On top of all the crap I posted above, they now use thermal paste in all their CPUs. That really pushed me over the edge. There's no going back for me. I want them to fail.

As things get smaller, I believe future tech will be ripe for a major upset and complete change. I'd like that future to not include Intel.

 

[Ottonomous]

So, if Intel crashes and burns like you seem to hope they will, you really believe AMD would not start doing the exact same things to potential threats you seem to hate Intel for?

When a company has such a superior product (on top of a mostly solid track record), all companies act the exact same way. AMD has a great product in Ryzen, but before that was released, they had nothing truly competitive for a decade.

I personally just don't comprehend how people seem to be so loyal to corporations, almost viewing them as family members. I buy the product that has the best $/performance, and that fits my needs. I could care less if that product has an Intel, AMD, or heck even Cyrix stamp on it.

Its their corporate culture. Some things have been there for a while, even through AMD's FX gouging parade the previous decade. Genuine anti-consumer stuff you should be concerned about

Dell's 'amazing' rebate program, where their lock-in like HP made up a significant chunk of their quarterly income (up to a 3rd), and incoming threatening emails when AMD started providing competitive CPUs.

Weighing down competitors through litigation, and reliance on the abuse of discovery law. The slime revealed by the Japan Fair Trade Commission invasion of their offices, European investigations.

Manipulation of compiler paths and thus slow performance on CPUs with the wrong vendor string (Genuine Intel).

 

[Ottonomous]

Their Xeon SP hitpiece still makes me laugh

- Expect multi-year optimizations for Naples! Lack of an ecosystem!
- Glued! Glued! Disjointed Cache! Glued Desktop dies!!!!
- Here's a comparison between a 2200 USD Xeon and underclocked 1800X (yep, 2.2Ghz) in select benchies
- Our VM pools mean our lock-in is good!
- A new resegmentation of their product catalogue because why not

 

[UsandThem]

At this point, I don't care. Haters gonna hate, and I really hate Intel. On top of all the crap I posted above, they now use thermal paste in all their CPUs. That really pushed me over the edge. There's no going back for me. I want them to fail.

It's your call, but there are much important things in life than focusing all of that anger towards a company over things like core counts, IPC, and IHS material.

Hopefully if Intel crashes and burns as you predicted, AMD won't be the next one to tick you off because you'll be fresh out CPU manufacturers to focus all that hate on.

Its their corporate culture. Some things have been there for a while, even through AMD's FX gouging parade the previous decade. Genuine anti-consumer stuff you should be concerned about

Dell's 'amazing' rebate program, where their lock-in like HP made up a significant chunk of their quarterly income (up to a 3rd), and incoming threatening emails when AMD started providing competitive CPUs.

Weighing down competitors through litigation, and reliance on the abuse of discovery law. The slime revealed by the Japan Fair Trade Commission invasion of their offices, European investigations.

And trust me, I've been around PCs for a long time. I know all of the bad behavior they have done (and accused of doing). But you can put almost any corporation in that same category. Samsung, RAM manufacturers, GPU companies, software, automobiles, aircraft, cell phones, etc. They all want to make the most profit they can, and to protect their market share. They aren't doing anything out of love, and none of them have clean hands.

 

[happy medium]

Is this still a technical enthusiast forum?.....
Who cares!. That you HATE Intel.

Bet you didnt hate them that much when they gave us the q9550, i7 920, 2500k, 4790k, and the 6700k.

 

[escrow4]

Show us on this doll where Intel fingered ya . . . . . .

 

[moonbogg]

It's your call, but there are much important things in life than focusing all of that anger towards a company .

Whoa, lets keep things in perspective here. I have a fully compartmentalized mind. Tonight I ate dinner with the family and Intel didn't come up even once at the table. I just NOW played a game of Rocketleague and wasn't bothered by the intel chip in my rig, not even a little. However, when I access the "tech/gaming enthusiast" compartment of my mind, things are suddenly not right. There are cracks and fissures spewing forth great volumes of Intel hate magma. Lots and lots of hate magma, but only in this little compartment. Know what I mean?

 

[Ottonomous]

Show us on this doll where Intel fingered ya . . . . . .

Your pockets, like most people I presume

 

[sandorski]

I just want AMD to get 50%ish of the Marketshare. That would give them the cashflow to stay competitive longterm.

 

[moonbogg]

Its their corporate culture. Some things have been there for a while, even through AMD's FX gouging parade the previous decade. Genuine anti-consumer stuff you should be concerned about

Dell's 'amazing' rebate program, where their lock-in like HP made up a significant chunk of their quarterly income (up to a 3rd), and incoming threatening emails when AMD started providing competitive CPUs.

Weighing down competitors through litigation, and reliance on the abuse of discovery law. The slime revealed by the Japan Fair Trade Commission invasion of their offices, European investigations.

Manipulation of compiler paths and thus slow performance on CPUs with the wrong vendor string (Genuine Intel).

Yep, all of that kind of stuff is floating around in my subconscious when it comes to my opinion of Intel as a company. I typically am most angry about basic stuff like pricing, lack of progress and thermal paste etc, but Intel is all about playing unfair and is as dirty as they come. Their motto concerning not only their competition but especially their customers should be "Hurray for me and screw you". They should have it lasered onto every CPU's heat spreader.

 

[spikespiegal]

As the PC industry grinds to a death we have to read this crud.

My main rig is an i7 2600 I got for cheap in 2012. However, because the core efficacy is so high it continues to kick butt and do everything I need today. Plays any game I want and rips through lightroom like a scalded dog. Yeah...Intel sucks.

I have clients running production servers on ancient Xeon 1225s and older, but continue to hammer through SQL apps like nothing. AMD didn't even have a dog in the game when I deployed those servers. Im sorry Intel processors don't generate enough CPU columns in taskmgr doing nothing.

These AMD vs Intel threads are starting to make as much sense as Apple fans bragging about how Motorola and then the power PC / G5 was superior to Intel and going to put the PC industry out of business when the truth was Altivec was the only non Intel tech Apple had worth a darn. Just like Apple, I'm gazing down my rows of Vmware hosts and not seeing AMD anywhere.

If anything I hate AMD for creating a brain damaged cult that' thinks more cores doing less makes single threaded apps run faster.

 

[moonbogg]

As the PC industry grinds to a death we have to read this crud.

My main rig is an i7 2600 I got for cheap in 2012. However, because the core efficacy is so high it continues to kick butt and do everything I need today. Plays any game I want and rips through lightroom like a scalded dog. Yeah...Intel sucks.

I have clients running production servers on ancient Xeon 1225s and older, but continue to hammer through SQL apps like nothing. AMD didn't even have a dog in the game when I deployed those servers. Im sorry Intel processors don't generate enough CPU columns in taskmgr doing nothing.

These AMD vs Intel threads are starting to make as much sense as Apple fans bragging about how Motorola and then the power PC / G5 was superior to Intel and going to put the PC industry out of business when the truth was Altivec was the only non Intel tech Apple had worth a darn. Just like Apple, I'm gazing down my rows of Vmware hosts and not seeing AMD anywhere.

If anything I hate AMD for creating a brain damaged cult that' thinks more cores doing less makes single threaded apps run faster.

This isn't actually an Intel vs AMD thread. This is simply an "I want Intel gone forever and I'll deal with having only AMD" thread. My mind is made up and the only thing that can unmake it is a product range from Intel that has some no BS value attached. Solder the stupid chips again. The thermals are wrecking performance, OCability, people's warranty from delids, performance consistency, noise levels from fans and more. Intel doesn't give a crap about any of that though. They removed value from their products by removing solder, and they couldn't possibly give a lesser crap about how it makes anyone feel. They just stare at us and laugh with their middle finger up.
I can't wait until 10nm chokes the life out of them as I watch AMD grab that finger of theirs and break it off like a twig. OK, so maybe it is an AMD vs Intel thread. So what? Is that illegal or something? This is the CPU forum and this thread is all about trashing Intel into oblivion and letting it all out there. I hate them. They make me sick.

 

[Ottonomous]

If anything I hate AMD for creating a brain damaged cult that' thinks more cores doing less makes single threaded apps run faster.

Strawman argument, then why did Intel respond to Ryzens IPC improvements with almost nothing but slapping more cores?

People are contesting the business model, marketing practises and not the quality of their silicon (although it is warranted at this point). You might as well set a single-core perf yardstick and tell us how long you're comfortable with.

 

[NTMBK]

Intel has created a hell of a lot of great products through the years, and has lots of very clever people working for them who don't deserve to lose their jobs. I don't want Intel to "burn", especially not over something as petty as TIM.

Intel is the backbone of the PC market. If Intel implodes, they might well take the PC with them. Lots of companies would see it as a sign that PC is a sinking ship, and stop investing money into the market. I don't know if AMD alone could prop it up.

 

[TheELF]

Strawman argument, then why did Intel respond to Ryzens IPC improvements with almost nothing but slapping more cores?

Did they though?
Maybe they meant to up the core count years ago but didn't because it would have killed off AMD then while they can handle it now.

 

[moonbogg]

Intel has created a hell of a lot of great products through the years, and has lots of very clever people working for them who don't deserve to lose their jobs. I don't want Intel to "burn", especially not over something as petty as TIM.

Intel is the backbone of the PC market. If Intel implodes, they might well take the PC with them. Lots of companies would see it as a sign that PC is a sinking ship, and stop investing money into the market. I don't know if AMD alone could prop it up.

The vacuum would be filled with something or someone new. You know what they say about forest fires. They suck, but only temporarily. Its a renewing process. Let the old crusty crap burn itself to death so something better can grow in its place.

 

[BSim500]

Is this still a technical enthusiast forum?.....

Wondering the same. Anandtech forums sure ain't what they used to be...

 

[Gideon]

Wondering the same. Anandtech forums sure ain't what they used to be...

OT: Indeed. All the other old forums seem even worse though. I wonder where are people moving to

 

[NTMBK]

OT: Indeed. All the other old forums seem even worse though. I wonder where are people moving to

They're moving on with their lives. There's not exactly much exciting about PC hardware these days to keep people engaged... Only interesting thing in the last few years has been Ryzen.

 

[LTC8K6]

What a ridiculous attitude. Not going to dignify it with a vote.
This board has come a long way in the wrong direction.

Vote choices are ridiculous too. We either hate or love Intel, nothing in between...

Got any plans for those ~100K Intel employees you want out of work?

I like Intel and AMD, with a preference for Intel. They both have their place, and I use both.

(Christ, I've been posting here for 14 years...)

 

[Yuriman]

I'd like to point out that while replacing the TIM with liquid metal DOES reduce temps a bit, it generally doesn't improve max frequency. Or, if it does, we're talking ~100mhz. TIM under the lid seems a non-issue from that perspective. I say this as someone who has delidded and applied liquid metal to dozens of CPUs.

Additionally, Intel still has a lead over AMD in IPC AND clockspeed, even after the spectre and meltdown stuff. If Intel were to disappear, we would be left with slower processors in their absence. You can bet AMD is not going to be hitting 4.7-5ghz on 7nm, even.

Add to that AMD's history of massive mismanagement, and I wonder if they're really the lesser of two evils. Still evil, of course, but what corporation isn't?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I buy the product that has the best $/performance, and that fits my needs. I could care less if that product has an Intel, AMD, or heck even a Cyrix stamp on it.

I'd draw the line at Cyrix. They're too unstable. But I agree otherwise.

 

[PeterScott]

I want AMD and Intel to thrive so their is a more competitive environment, and further I want Intel to thrive at GPU development so we have another alternative to NVidia, and less chance of another GPU over-pricing debacle.

It seems every company that achieves a dominant position abuses it. Look at Microsoft in the 80's, and early 90's, they screwed over everyone, competitors and partners alike, eventually getting a slap-down and huge fines. Intel was the same later in their attempt to keep AMD down, and getting their own slap-down/fines. Currently we have NVidia feeling it's dominance, so we get stuff like a the G-sync tax on monitors, or GPP attempting to kill AMD marketing, or that scammy GT 1030 card some of us were discussing recently.

I do feel that the both Microsoft's and Intel's worse behavior is behind them, and it is currently NVidia that is playing the 800 pound gorilla with an attitude. But I still don't want to seen NVidia destroyed, I just want them to lose the abusive attitude toward competitors and consumers, but given history it probably won't change without NVidia getting some kind of slap-down.