Knife attack on CA GOP candidate

[woolfe9998]

“He picks up a coffee cup to rear back and throw it at us. And I jumped around the table. He throws the coffee cup and misses us. It hits the ground and breaks,” remembered Peters. “So I come out and grab him and wrestle him and throw him down to the ground.”

He said that was when Fazeli pulled out a knife.

“He’s screaming, ‘I’ll kill you MFer! I’ll kill you! I’ll kill you!’ And he’s kind of circling me trying to get the knife out,” said Peters

Wait, so if I recall the Trevon Martin case, once Peters wrestled him to the ground, Fazeli reasonably feared for his life, so pulling the switchblade seems like justifiable self defense to me.

Probably not self-defense, because his throwing of the coffee cup (which broke, meaning it was ceramic rather than paper) was an attempted battery. That then gave the other guy the right of self-defense. You can't provoke a fight then claim self-defense. Still, with these additional facts, it seems like a pretty minor incident. He didn't even open the knife.

Hopefully the rep candidate can't parlay this into an electoral advantage. Fortunately that Congressional district is deep blue so I doubt it matters.

 

[UberNeuman]

Lol. Right winger OP looks like fool attempting to play the victim.

Film at 11.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Maybe it would sound less like a rationalization if we rephrased it properly. A nut job attacked a monster who is a member of a party that is protecting a President who is a Russian plant and agent, and won with Russian illegal election meddling. Think of it more like some murdering scumbag who joined the army and took out a Nazi machine gun nest. Be a bit more creative in your thinking. If you are going to live in an absurd altered reality bubble, decorate it. You are so boring. "Pot Kettle", Jesus save me. It's elephant vs teensy weensy donkey.

Last I checked, there is an active independent investigation into the Russian meddling, with indictments and justice being served. We are about to have an election which will hold the party accountable for protecting the President.

The rest of what you wrote is just misguided delusional alarmism.

There is no justification to get all stabby...at least not yet. I will let you know when it is.

 

[Starbuck1975]

And you and your band of merry dipshits continue to straw man the conversation to fit your narrative.

Talk about being rational when you can actually address what's being discussed

The narrative is an unhinged person attacked a politician with a knife. Condemning an act of politically motivated violence is the only conversation we need to have.

Also, the band of dipshits are never merry. Jolly perhaps, but never merry.

 

[woolfe9998]

The narrative is an unhinged person attacked a politician with a knife. Condemning an act of politically motivated violence is the only conversation we need to have.

Also, the band of dipshits are never merry. Jolly perhaps, but never merry.

Actually, he attacked the politician by hurling a coffee cup at him, which admittedly could have caused injury if it had connected with the intended target. The knife he pulled out but did not open, after he was tackled. There was no actual lunge or attempt to stab.

It's still politically motivated violence. Just wanted to make sure the facts are straight because a knife has stronger connotations here than does a coffee cup.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Actually, he attacked the politician by hurling a coffee cup at him, which admittedly could have caused injury if it had connected with the intended target. The knife he pulled out but did not open, after he was tackled. There was no actual lung or attempt to stab.

It's still politically motivated violence. Just wanted to make sure the facts are straight because a knife has stronger connotations here than does a coffee cup.

If someone pulled a knife on you, and you had a gun, what would be your response?

 

[woolfe9998]

If someone pulled a knife on you, and you had a gun, what would be your response?

Would probably draw the gun and hope it deterred further aggression with the knife.

Not sure if you think I'm arguing the guy isn't guilty of a crime. I already argued above that self-defense won't work for him because he started the altercation by throwing the coffee cup.

 

[Moonbeam]

Last I checked, there is an active independent investigation into the Russian meddling, with indictments and justice being served. We are about to have an election which will hold the party accountable for protecting the President.

The rest of what you wrote is just misguided delusional alarmism.

There is no justification to get all stabby...at least not yet. I will let you know when it is.

Let me tell you something my dear brain defective liberal friend. I am the Alpha and Omega of all knowledge including what is misguided delusional and alarming, and as the final say, authority and judge in all such matters YOU WILL BE TELLING ME NOTHING. You poor sad silly nobody, you are talking to a conservative liberal of the highest order positioned between the right and left hand of God.

 

[Moonbeam]

If someone pulled a knife on you, and you had a gun, what would be your response?

Can’t speak for woolfe but I would just tell her she cut it off last week so she can put it down. “I’ll put on my raincoat and go get her some fucking Mydol.

 

[compcons]

Angry guy got schooled.

You

Never

Bring

A

Knife

To

A

Sign Fight.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Would probably draw the gun and hope it deterred further aggression with the knife.

Not sure if you think I'm arguing the guy isn't guilty of a crime. I already argued above that self-defense won't work for him because he started the altercation by throwing the coffee cup.

A PSA. You'd better be pretty far to think about drawing on someone with a knife. Fortunately, this guy had one of the crappiest knives, a switchblade which has a high failure rate.

 

[woolfe9998]

A PSA. You'd better be pretty far to think about drawing on someone with a knife. Fortunately, this guy had one of the crappiest knives, a switchblade which has a high failure rate.

Yeah I thought about asking him what distance the knife wielder was before answering his hypothetical. My answer assumes he is far enough away that I could get the gun out without being stabbed.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Responses in this thread are both predictable and sad. The two political parties have an indestructible hold on the psyches of Americans.

 

[woolfe9998]

Responses in this thread are both predictable and sad. The two political parties have an indestructible hold on the psyches of Americans.

Please explain what is so "sad" about the responses. Be specific.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Be specific.

Lol. Cue the Neil Degrasse Tyson watch out pic

Read through the thread. If you don’t get it (you do though) then there’s nothing else to say.

 

[woolfe9998]

Lol. Cue the Neil Degrasse Tyson watch out pic

Read through the thread. If you don’t get it (you do though) then there’s nothing else to say.

More passive aggressive BS from you. I know you think people are "OK" with this violence and that this is generally what you're trying to say, but I'd rather you give me an example like whatever you think is the most objectionable comment someone has made. So far as I can tell, no one is saying it's OK, though I may have missed that. What some people are saying is that on the facts, we're looking at a no injury situation where there was no knife attack, which is factually true.

We're very divided right now, and it's getting ugly. We've had a right winger shoot a liberal protestor in the stomach, a Nazi murdering a counter-protestor at a rally, a leftie trying to mass murder GOP Congressman, etc. etc. Trying to link this political violence to Trump is not exactly implausible here. OTOH, you might want to blame the left for it for being too angry over Trump. But either way, it looks like we are in such a state of rancor right now that I would expect it to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

BTW, and I know you will either not understand this, or pretend not to, but blaming Trump for this political environment which is encouraging violence on both sides isn't the same thing as saying the individuals who are perpetrating the violent acts are somehow less morally or legally blameworthy. If you even remotely understood that the one doesn't diminish the other, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[Moonbeam]

Lol. Cue the Neil Degrasse Tyson watch out pic

Read through the thread. If you don’t get it (you do though) then there’s nothing else to say.

Read above, nobody, I will be the judge of that.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Lol. Cue the Neil Degrasse Tyson watch out pic

Read through the thread. If you don’t get it (you do though) then there’s nothing else to say.

that did not answer the question in any way, it was a cheap, and transparent attempt at a diversion

 

[UglyCasanova]

I know you think people are "OK" with this violence and that this is generally what you're trying to say

Well then you’d be wrong. I think people are trying to rationalize the violence and blame the victim, not that they condone it.

 

[woolfe9998]

Well then you’d be wrong. I think people are trying to rationalize the violence and blame the victim, not that they condone it.

You're free to interpret their motives that way. But I have a question. I'm just trying to understand if you buy in to the fallacy that blame and fault are a zero sum game, meaning that one person's fault in a matter somehow diminishes another's. Do you understand that you can blame a politician for creating an unhealthy environment conducive to criminality and still also blame the individual perpetrators and want them held accountable?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Well then you’d be wrong. I think people are trying to rationalize the violence and blame the victim, not that they condone it.

Literally no one has said that in here. What they’ve said is marginalizing and demonizing groups of people may cause some in those groups to respond negatively to those they feel are putting them into that position. That’s not justification. That’s just reality.

 

[fskimospy]

Well then you’d be wrong. I think people are trying to rationalize the violence and blame the victim, not that they condone it.

Can you quote posts that you believe are representative of this thread that say this?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Read through the thread. Start with the second post. Don’t poke the bear. I don’t want to see anybody get stabbed, but....

 

[ecogen]

Read through the thread. Start with the second post. Don’t poke the bear. I don’t want to see anybody get stabbed, but....

Treating certain groups like shit for years tend to make those groups dislike you and considering the size of those groups there's always gonna be some idiot that takes it too far. This isn't victim blaming, it's reality.

Victim blaming is more to the tune of "she was asking for it, look at what she was wearing" and I'm not really seeing anything equivalent in this thread.

 

[fskimospy]

Read through the thread. Start with the second post. Don’t poke the bear. I don’t want to see anybody get stabbed, but....

Don’t be passive-aggressive. Quote the posts and why you think they support your position.

Please don’t be the second coming of the Doc Savage Fan ‘who, me?’ Just say what you mean.