KitGuru tested the FX9590... it's pretty bad.

[Idontcare]

I chatted with Amazon customer service, I'll get the 9590 at the price I paid when the seller gets it in stock. I know its still overpriced for most of you, but I don't think $368 is too terrible.

In an odd way, that is part of what intriques me about this CPU. Its like it will be somewhat of a challenge to tame and overclock this thing. Another 4GHz+ Intel chip? Who cares, everyone has that... but a 9590 that I can keep cool? Now that looks like it'll be an accomplishment! :biggrin:

This is a toy for me. I like that AMD had the balls to release a part like this. This might be the very last CPU I would ever recommend to someone (based on what I'm reading). But I can't wait to get my new system up and running and spending some time with this chip... I guess I get to venture into water cooling now. :awe:

I'll raise my glass and toast you in your efforts to ride the beast

That will be fun for you. Make sure you got a strong mobo and don't be afraid to ghetto attach a bunch of fans to keep the mobo itself (and VRMs) cool...it makes a big difference.

 

[ozzy702]

An i7 runs BF3 multiplayer a whole lot better than an i5 at the same clocks.

I have a 2500k machine, a 2600k machine and a 3770k box. The i7's run almost 60fps 100% of the time with very brief and minor dips. The 2500k drops into the high 30's and the 40's frequently. All of them are running overclocked 7950's.

In the future as more and more games utilize multiple cores (with next gen gaming this will become common) I think the value of the i7's and potentially even the 8 core AMD's will be noticeable vs traditional quad cores.

Regarding this nuclear reactor of a processor, it's sad to see AMD in the position they are. I've probably built and used around two dozen AMD boxes so I'm certainly not a hater but Intel's advantage in anything but the budget $150 mark is staggering.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Maybe you're having background task issues?

My i5 doesn't seem to have much issue keeping 60 min on 64 player maps.

 

[ozzy702]

Maybe you're having background task issues?

My i5 doesn't seem to have much issue keeping 60 min on 64 player maps.

At what clocks and what in game graphics settings? Crank the mesh settings up and without fail the i5 has fps dips. I'm not the only one that's seen issues with quads, plenty of similar experiences in this and other forums relating to 64 man maps on BF3.

I don't have anything else running in the background on the i5 machine since it's a dedicated gaming box with nothing installed but origin and steam, in fact the i7 machines that run significantly better are the ones that have stuff running in the background.

 

[SlowSpyder]

368 is still more than 2x the 8320 price... I think after you overclock both the difference is going to be really small,

"I am planning on downclocking and dropping the voltage if I have to until I get a proper cooling system."

this makes me think your choice makes no sense.

You're looking at this from the wrong angle. I'll explain further down as best I can.

Spyder, you make my brain hurt. You are an intelligent, personable, reasonable human being. And you are about to buy one of the worst performing processors per dollar known to man, even at $368. I won't tell you anything you don't already know, but do you see this as rewarding somewhat insane behavior by AMD? I guess worst case you may be able to flip it for a profit on Ebay or something. Is perf/$ completely irrelevant to you?

I loved my AMD systems back in the day, I still love my AMD GPUs. I just can't see spending my hard-earned dollars on something slower when faster alternatives are around for the same price.

Regardless, good luck, have fun, and best wishes! Sometimes I guess it's just fun to do something utterly nonsensical. Cars do make a good parallel! I had three turbo DSMs, of course none of them lasted very long. My VR4 was the worst, set me back about $10k in a single year in axle, differential, transmission, etc, failures until eventually it was wrecked by an Ex.

The best I can put it is like this, I could have bought the better performing i7 for the same price. I could have saved money and gotten an i5 that probably would still match if not out perform this part. But those builds wouldn't excite me at all. I'm really, really looking forward to the challenge I think this CPU will create. I'm excited about a PC build like I haven't been since I put together my first Steve-built system and it booted right up (where immediately after a jumper was moved and my 700MHz Duron was now 815MHz :awe: ). The hobbyist in me finds this to be a much more intriguing build when compared to the other options.

Performance will be better than what I have now, which is already good enough for me. I will likely actually reduce power use. I could have done better yet, but as I said, absolute best performance per watt per dollar spent wasn't what I was necessarily looking for.

And to be honest, if this is AMD's last 'high end' CPU, the little bit of fanboy in me kind of wants it.


*edit - Arkaign, I think you and I have gone down similar roads, then. I once gave my keys to a cute girl I was getting to know who, um, uh... "knows how to drive stick shift." The problem, as it turned out to be was that she didn't know how to drive stick shift, though. Not really at all as it turned out. Bouncing off the rev limiter at ~7600RPM she starts letting the clutch out. Flying flywheel, clutch and bell housing shrapnel punched holes in my hood. I burned my hand on a chunk of my pressure plate that was laying in the road when I picked it up still in shock of what I had just witnessed. A little insult to the injury, a blistered thumb and palm... haha. Well, I learned an important life lesson that day about who drives my car from now on.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I'll raise my glass and toast you in your efforts to ride the beast

That will be fun for you. Make sure you got a strong mobo and don't be afraid to ghetto attach a bunch of fans to keep the mobo itself (and VRMs) cool...it makes a big difference.

Yessir, I will be rigging a second pull fan on my CPU heatsink. I think it'll be a good idea to get one of my 120mm fans over the memory and VRM's if possible. I'll figure something out, I have a few ideas.

 

[Idontcare]

*edit - Arkaign, I think you and I have gone down similar roads, then. I once gave my keys to a cute girl I was getting to know who, um, uh... "knows how to drive stick shift." The problem, as it turned out to be was that she didn't know how to drive stick shift, though. Not really at all as it turned out. Bouncing off the rev limiter at ~7600RPM she starts letting the clutch out. Flying flywheel, clutch and bell housing shrapnel punched holes in my hood. I burned my hand on a chunk of my pressure plate that was laying in the road when I picked it up still in shock of what I had just witnessed. A little insult to the injury, a blistered thumb and palm... haha. Well, I learned an important life lesson that day about who drives my car from now on.

I totally thought that story was going to be innuendo about some hot chick shifting your stick when I first started reading it...but then it turned out the hot chick womanhandling your stick really was just a story about a car being badly abused Sad Panda letdown

But you still totally redeemed yourself for jumping in feet first in ordering a 9590 :thumbsup:

 

[monstercameron]

I totally thought that story was going to be innuendo about some hot chick shifting your stick when I first started reading it...but then it turned out the hot chick womanhandling your stick really was just a story about a car being badly abused Sad Panda letdown

But you still totally redeemed yourself for jumping in feet first in ordering a 9590 :thumbsup:

the redemption has yet to be seen but...maybe it will be worth it 20yrs from now...

 

[nemesismk2]

Looks like they're riding that 5GHz number pretty hard in the promotions. They changed it to 'first commercially available' though. :biggrin:

That is great marketing from AMD they should do more of because customers like big numbers lol

 

[bgt]

This is a toy for me. I like that AMD had the balls to release a part like this. This might be the very last CPU I would ever recommend to someone (based on what I'm reading). But I can't wait to get my new system up and running and spending some time with this chip... I guess I get to venture into water cooling now. :awe:

$ 368,- for a 9590:thumbsup: I wish they had it here for 300 euro's. Have good fun with it. You won't regret it. Its 1 fine CPU............anyway my 8350 is, so an OC'ed 1........ which is validated.....is even better:biggrin:

 

[bgt]

That is great marketing from AMD they should do more of because customers like big numbers lol

:thumbsup:

 

[ShintaiDK]

That is great marketing from AMD they should do more of because customers like big numbers lol

You can only fool people so many times until they stop buying products from that company all together.

 

[NTMBK]

You can only fool people so many times until they stop buying products from that company all together.

Intel pulled it off for years with the Pentium 4!

 

[guskline]

SlowSpyder, water cool that sucker! From the $$ you saved on the retail of the FX grab a high end AIO (Corsair 100i or Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme or if lucky to find one Swiftech 220).

IDC nailed it with mbs. I have 2 Asus Sabertooth 990FX mbs (rev1 & rev2). Rev2 mb will handle the high voltage etc.

 

[jacktesterson]

It's an overclocked 8320/8350 at a stupid price.

I am running an AMD System right now - No real bias, I had Intel prior to my current rig.

This is simply a dumb purchase.

If price was reasonable like the rest of there CPU's, then maybe we could talk.

 

[bononos]

Precisely that TR review was debunked in a series of posts that analysed everything since the power consumption bug in the manual hotfixes up to the unbalanced selection of motherboards.

In a more recent review, TR reduces the delta over the 3770k to less than 80W. As said before, the full load delta is 40-80W, with 60W being a typical average.

The 3960x/3970x are the true power consumption beasts.

Was TR the only review site which had that problem?. The majority of the forum including myself must've missed that interesting series of posts. What are you talking about exactly?

Why bring up the 3960x as being power consumption beasts? Since when is the 3960 a useful comparison for the 8350 or the 9590? In any case the power consumption of the Intel 3960 iirc is about the same as the 8150.

 

[Zucker2k]

You're looking at this from the wrong angle. I'll explain further down as best I can.





The best I can put it is like this, I could have bought the better performing i7 for the same price. I could have saved money and gotten an i5 that probably would still match if not out perform this part. But those builds wouldn't excite me at all. I'm really, really looking forward to the challenge I think this CPU will create. I'm excited about a PC build like I haven't been since I put together my first Steve-built system and it booted right up (where immediately after a jumper was moved and my 700MHz Duron was now 815MHz :awe: ). The hobbyist in me finds this to be a much more intriguing build when compared to the other options.

In that case, get an FX 8350. It should pose more of a challenge than this. Remember, these are higher binned silicon

My advice is to hold off on the spending until you get your hands on the chip, lol. As bad as these chips are, looks like AMD can't even get a couple of thousands out. Hell, all they need to do is stamp FX 9590, instead of FX 8350 on any random chip in the 4-module segment and they should be set. The recommended high end cooling and other components should do the rest. These chips default to the 20x clock ratio anyway? So you still have to OVERCLOCK in order to get the 4.7 base, 5Ghz Turbo clocks.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/zardon/amd-fx9590-5ghz-review-w-gigabyte-990fxa-ud5/6/

 

[galego]

Was TR the only review site which had that problem?. The majority of the forum including myself must've missed that interesting series of posts. What are you talking about exactly?

There are lots of bad reviews there out, but I am not going to offer a detailed review of each one. The topic of power consumption was already extensively discussed in several threads, I am not going to repeat all what I said.

The point is that TR recent review reduced the gap between the 8350 and the 3770k to something as 75W

It is still a high delta (others report ~40W delta), but far from their original nonsensical value.

Evidently, 40-80W are nothing for an enthusiast with one (or several) high-end GPU and a PSU of 1200W or more.

Why bring up the 3960x as being power consumption beasts? Since when is the 3960 a useful comparison for the 8350 or the 9590? In any case the power consumption of the Intel 3960 iirc is about the same as the 8150.

Take a look to AMD E3 slides, the KitGuru bad review, and to posts in this thread, comparing a 9590 with a 3960x...

 

[bononos]

There are lots of bad reviews there out, but I am not going to offer a detailed review of each one. The topic of power consumption was already extensively discussed in several threads, I am not going to repeat all what I said.
The point is that TR recent review reduced the gap between the 8350 and the 3770k to something as 75W
......
It is still a high delta (others report ~40W delta), but far from their original nonsensical value.

Evidently, 40-80W are nothing for an enthusiast with one (or several) high-end GPU and a PSU of 1200W or more.

Well I'm not going to fish around to refute something that accepted as common knowledge. I dont see why close to 100W is nonsensical when you seem to accept that 75W is reasonable. The reasonable explanation is that AMD isn't binning anymore and is pushing nearly every available wafer out the door, so motherboard manufacturers are having problems running their cpus at stock and having to throttle down AMD PD.

Take a look to AMD E3 slides, the KitGuru bad review, and to posts in this thread, comparing a 9590 with a 3960x...

So AMD is comparing both cpus as competitors in the same category wow.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I totally thought that story was going to be innuendo about some hot chick shifting your stick when I first started reading it...but then it turned out the hot chick womanhandling your stick really was just a story about a car being badly abused Sad Panda letdown

But you still totally redeemed yourself for jumping in feet first in ordering a 9590 :thumbsup:

Haha... nope, nothing cool happened with her. That girl was from California and visiting her cousin, whom I was good friends with. Years later, the girl I was good friends with and I socketed CPU's a few times, though. :biggrin:

SlowSpyder, water cool that sucker! From the $$ you saved on the retail of the FX grab a high end AIO (Corsair 100i or Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme or if lucky to find one Swiftech 220).

IDC nailed it with mbs. I have 2 Asus Sabertooth 990FX mbs (rev1 & rev2). Rev2 mb will handle the high voltage etc.

Swiftech makes a 320, too... :awe: I'm still weighing my options. I haven't decided how to proceed yet. Before I buy anything else I think I'll wait to make sure I actually receive the processor. In the meantime I'm reading about water cooling and trying to figure out what my best approach is.

I can't complain, I got more than five good years out of my current MSI AM2+ board, which hasn't always had an easy existence. So, I went with this motherboard. Hopefully I have another good experience.

That motherboard comes with a free 8GB stick of DDR3. So maybe tomorrow I'll take a short trip to Microcenter (The closest one in Chicago is less than an hour and half from me) and see if I can get a cheap-o i3 or APU bundle. Yea, I'm using a $30 stick of memory as an excuse to build a second system, too.

It's an overclocked 8320/8350 at a stupid price.

I am running an AMD System right now - No real bias, I had Intel prior to my current rig.

This is simply a dumb purchase.

If price was reasonable like the rest of there CPU's, then maybe we could talk.

"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself."

 

[Makaveli]

Haha... nope, nothing cool happened with her. That girl was from California and visiting her cousin, whom I was good friends with. Years later, the girl I was good friends with and I socketed CPU's a few times, though. :biggrin:

I hope you didn't use the cheap thermal compound before you put it in the socket :biggrin:

 

[jacktesterson]

Has AMD stated how they justify the $800 price tag on these? (Or higher is it?)

 

[Zucker2k]

There are lots of bad reviews there out, but I am not going to offer a detailed review of each one. The topic of power consumption was already extensively discussed in several threads, I am not going to repeat all what I said.

The point is that TR recent review reduced the gap between the 8350 and the 3770k to something as 75W

It is still a high delta (others report ~40W delta), but far from their original nonsensical value.

Evidently, 40-80W are nothing for an enthusiast with one (or several) high-end GPU and a PSU of 1200W or more.

You forgot these

And

Even taking the higher igp-less number for the Intel, that is still an efficiency* level of 0.198 for the FX 8350 AMD platform, compared to 0.441 efficiency for the Haswell Core i7 4770k Intel Platform in that workload. Do you now get an idea how bad the Bulldozer/Piledriver architectures are?

 

[Chiropteran]

Do you now get an idea how bad the Bulldozer/Piledriver architectures are?

I wonder why everyone doesn't drive a prius?

Efficiency isn't the only thing that matters, especially electrical efficiency, considering the cost we typically pay.

You are acting like an extra $1.50/month of electricity is a huge hardship.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Has AMD stated how they justify the $800 price tag on these? (Or higher is it?)

What do they need to justify?