This really sums up the targeted audience here. I would consider myself a pretty mainstream gamer, but if my Antec Kuhler 620 can't even cool it properly... then it really restricts the audience to top-of-the-line H100i's or open-loop users who are willing to sink thousands into their systems.
Precisely that TR review was debunked in a series of posts that analysed everything since the power consumption bug in the manual hotfixes up to the unbalanced selection of motherboards.
In a more recent review, TR reduces the delta over the 3770k to less than 80W. As said before, the full load delta is 40-80W, with 60W being a typical average.
The 3960x/3970x are the true power consumption beasts.
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Totally.
"Since our Corsair H80 and Noctua NH-U12S were both overwhelmed whenever Turbo Core was disabled and the system was left at idle (yes, you read that right: at IDLE), we decided to step things up a notch. Bringing in a Noctua NH-U14S with dual fans as a pinch hitter resulted in more acceptable temperatures and allowed for some overclocking. Though not all that much."
Overwhelmed at Idle????
That would be a no buy for me I would be worried about this thing causing a fire when no one is home and left on lol.
I chatted with Amazon customer service, I'll get the 9590 at the price I paid when the seller gets it in stock. I know its still overpriced for most of you, but I don't think $368 is too terrible.
In an odd way, that is part of what intriques me about this CPU. Its like it will be somewhat of a challenge to tame and overclock this thing. Another 4GHz+ Intel chip? Who cares, everyone has that... but a 9590 that I can keep cool? Now that looks like it'll be an accomplishment! :biggrin:
This is a toy for me. I like that AMD had the balls to release a part like this. This might be the very last CPU I would ever recommend to someone (based on what I'm reading). But I can't wait to get my new system up and running and spending some time with this chip... I guess I get to venture into water cooling now. :awe:
In an odd way, that is part of what intriques me about this CPU. Its like it will be somewhat of a challenge to tame and overclock this thing. Another 4GHz+ Intel chip? Who cares, everyone has that... but a 9590 that I can keep cool? Now that looks like it'll be an accomplishment! :biggrin:
This is a toy for me. I like that AMD had the balls to release a part like this. This might be the very last CPU I would ever recommend to someone (based on what I'm reading). But I can't wait to get my new system up and running and spending some time with this chip... I guess I get to venture into water cooling now. :awe:
Nice review from HC - but I just don't get who this processor is supposed to impress or appeal to. I own both AMD and Intel systems so I speak from an unbiased place - but in all the tests the 4770k (at stock) racks up 32 wins vs the 9590's 9.
I can't imagine what a 4770k @ 4.5 would do to it.
It's a nice showing from AMD I guess (compared to their other processors), but as it stands now the price is just way too high for the level of performance offered.
I can't imagine what a 4770k @ 4.5 would do to it.
It's a nice showing from AMD I guess (compared to their other processors), but as it stands now the price is just way too high for the level of performance offered.
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Looks like they're riding that 5GHz number pretty hard in the promotions. They changed it to 'first commercially available' though. :biggrin:
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haha until you come home to flames and the insurance company says overclocking space heaters is not covered!:twisted:
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http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...62166-amd-fx-9590-review-piledriver-5ghz.html
Good lord, it loses most everything to a stock 4770, couldn't overclock past 5Ghz even with extreme cooling (not included in insane price, lol), lacks PCI-e 3.0, sucks power like a death star, this is actually just an insulting release overall. Put the same cooler on the 4770K and OC it to the ragged edge (as the 9590 obviously already is at "stock", loosest possible quotes there), and the 9590 goes from losing to simply being annihilated.
Good lord, it loses most everything to a stock 4770, couldn't overclock past 5Ghz even with extreme cooling (not included in insane price, lol), lacks PCI-e 3.0, sucks power like a death star, this is actually just an insulting release overall. Put the same cooler on the 4770K and OC it to the ragged edge (as the 9590 obviously already is at "stock", loosest possible quotes there), and the 9590 goes from losing to simply being annihilated.
What's really sad is it's using over double the total system power of the i7-4770k and is still slower...
Do you guys think this is it for AMD for server/desktop core designs?
Do you guys think this is it for AMD for server/desktop core designs?
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I would have no problem if they said "up to" 5ghz, or at least mentioned the base clock somewhere in the fine print, but as it is, the ad is borderline deceptive at best. Pretty over the top for the ad in general, it would appeal to some I guess.
Edit: dont mean to criticize you personally since you just got one, but the price you got it at is much different from this.
Quite an expensive toy lol
Although if you are one of the overclocking hobbyists (ie. benchmarker, LN cooling user), all the power to you.
It's like trying to make the best lemonade out of lemons; it's about the experience.
For whatever reason many dropped over 50% in the first hours after they started showing up on merchant sites. When I saw it at $368, I figured why not, I've had my current motherboard since March '08. The upgrade bug bit. Later, after some working with Amazon, and having what seems to be a very honest third party seller work with me, I will be sent one when they get them in stock. So, I haven't gotten it yet, we'll see if they follow through.
Right now I have a Scythe Ninja Copper. Even in its day it wasn't the best, but I've found it to be fairly capable. What can I say, I paid too much for a cooler that wasn't the best... sometimes I'll take character over functionality, like the 9590. :awe: It's copper, big, and looks cool.
I am planning on downclocking and dropping the voltage if I have to until I get a proper cooling system. I've been thinking about water for a while, I think the decision has been made now. I think I'll start with Aigo's guide and start piecing something together.Also, thanks to IDC's very helpful work I have a fresh tube of Noctua NT-H1. :biggrin: Hopefully that'll help... haha.
This will be my everyday machine. My current PhII system will pull 500 watts at the wall when I run an intense CPU bench. In the past I had problems when I enabled Cn'Q with my overclock. My system idles at something like 140 watts if I remember right, so I bet I'll actually come ahead there with an FX 9590, believe it or not.
I know I could have done better yet with an i5 or i7, but getting the absolute best performance per watt per dollar wasn't a concern. Seeing as my PhII does everything I need, I am sure I'll be happy with the performance of this CPU.*edit - Oh yea, its not really a cheap toy, but my user name comes from my old car. I had a 97 Mitsu Spyder, and a few turbo DSM's (Eagle Talon, Mitsu Eclips till 99, 90-94 Plymouth Laser, Dodge Stealth and Mitsu 3000GT) before that. Once you get over an expensive car modding and racing habit, a $700-$800 system build every few years doesn't seem so bad.
*edit 2 - Fixed link... DOH!
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368 is still more than 2x the 8320 price... I think after you overclock both the difference is going to be really small,
"I am planning on downclocking and dropping the voltage if I have to until I get a proper cooling system."
this makes me think your choice makes no sense.
"I am planning on downclocking and dropping the voltage if I have to until I get a proper cooling system."
this makes me think your choice makes no sense.
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Spyder, you make my brain hurt. You are an intelligent, personable, reasonable human being. And you are about to buy one of the worst performing processors per dollar known to man, even at $368. I won't tell you anything you don't already know, but do you see this as rewarding somewhat insane behavior by AMD? I guess worst case you may be able to flip it for a profit on Ebay or something. Is perf/$ completely irrelevant to you?
I loved my AMD systems back in the day, I still love my AMD GPUs. I just can't see spending my hard-earned dollars on something slower when faster alternatives are around for the same price.
Regardless, good luck, have fun, and best wishes! Sometimes I guess it's just fun to do something utterly nonsensical. Cars do make a good parallel! I had three turbo DSMs, of course none of them lasted very long. My VR4 was the worst, set me back about $10k in a single year in axle, differential, transmission, etc, failures until eventually it was wrecked by an Ex.
I loved my AMD systems back in the day, I still love my AMD GPUs. I just can't see spending my hard-earned dollars on something slower when faster alternatives are around for the same price.
Regardless, good luck, have fun, and best wishes! Sometimes I guess it's just fun to do something utterly nonsensical. Cars do make a good parallel! I had three turbo DSMs, of course none of them lasted very long. My VR4 was the worst, set me back about $10k in a single year in axle, differential, transmission, etc, failures until eventually it was wrecked by an Ex.
I know people who waste money on Core i7 3770K and Core i7 4770K CPUs for gaming systems(no video encoding,etc),instead of getting the Core i5 3570K and Core i5 4670K which are far cheaper and do the same job. Newegg has the Core i7 4770K priced 46% higher than a Core i5 4670K and yet last time I checked it is not 46% faster(even when both are overclocked) for most games. Yet people still buy the Core i7 over the Core i5.
The same goes with people spending silly money on overpriced motherboards and RAM,when there are lower end models which can overclock as well and do the same job.
People spend extra on colour co-ordinating rigs,get graphics cards and other parts which look nice,when TBH its spending most of its life under the desk inside the case. None of it improves VFM.
Even custom water cooling you could argue is OTT for what it is. However,that is one part of the enthusiast segment and it is not the VFM orientated part.
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Do you laugh at people who drive a Lexus LFA when a Nissan GTR has comparable performance for less than a third of the price?
Excellent post!
I would like to see at least one game where the i7 is 46% faster than the i5 :biggrin:
the only problem is that it's a 100% impossible to get HT and the extra l3 working on the i5, and the i7 doesn't pay with huge extra power usage and cooling requirements for its extra performance and both have the same OC potential basically... the 9590 have requirements of a highly overclocked CPU, almost no overclocking potential, and the exact same die as the 8350/8320 with the same stuff enabled, it's not impossible to get the cheaper CPUs to work at 4.7GHz even more when you consider all the extra money you have available to pay for cooling, or buy 2 CPUs to try your luck for extra few MHz
Maybe, I expect games in the not too distance future (next generation 1-2 years) to use 8 threads?
However, spending 70-80 dollars more on a 4770k, vs 500 more on a lower performing "top of the line" AMD CPU is massively different.
the only problem is that it's a 100% impossible to get HT and the extra l3 working on the i5, and the i7 doesn't pay with huge extra power usage and cooling requirements for its extra performance and both have the same OC potential basically... the 9590 have requirements of a highly overclocked CPU, almost no overclocking potential, and the exact same die as the 8350/8320 with the same stuff enabled, it's not impossible to get the cheaper CPUs to work at 4.7GHz even more when you consider all the extra money you have available to pay for cooling, or buy 2 CPUs to try your luck for extra few MHz
It still does not change the fact for gaming that a Core i5 is significantly cheaper than a Core i7 and does most of the job of one too for gaming. Yet do we hear people calling out Core i7 owners for not buying a Core i5,especially with the $110. Nope.
What about socket 2011 rigs for pure gaming over socket 1155 or 1150 with one or two cards?? They don't even have a PCI-E bandwidth advantage for dual cards.
Its the same with so many parts of enthusiast DIY builds.
Cases,motherboards,RAM,PSUs,etc.
This is one part of the enthusiast community. Thats it. Not all enthusiasts on forums are interested in VFM at all. Its the same with many hobbies. Its not all about price/performance. Some times its for being different or trying out something new.
For instance I like SFF PCs and I would rather trade outright power or price/performance for size.
I could have built a faster full ATX rig than the SFF system I have now for the same price.
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yes sure, the i5 is by far the best gaming CPU, nothing new here and I think everyone knows that, BUT it doesn't change the fact that the i7 is always going to be potentially faster, at the same clock or even with lower clock...
because of the l3 and HT, it just that, is it really worth an extra $100? probably not... but the advantage is clearer...
when it comes to 8350 vs 9590, you have overall a similar max clock potential and the exact same performance at the same clock.
and... you have the i7 4770K which is faster (much faster if you OC both) than the 9590 anyway.
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