King Obama to rule again: Imigration

[Svnla]

Americans need to be like these folks:

Many protesters held U.S. flags, while others held signs reading "stop illegal immigration," and "illegals out!"

"We can't start taking care of others if we can't take care of our own," protester Nancy Greyson, 60, of Murrieta, told the Desert Sun newspaper.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/protesters-turn-buses-carrying-migrant-families-24374330

 

[BoberFett]

Enforcing existing immigration laws is not "doing nothing". Its amazing... people habe so dumbed down this issue that many don't seem to know this country actually HAS immigration laws and that politicians and their corrupt cronies are in violation of them.

Just another smoke screen the pro-illegal crowd has thrown up and that people have gone along with.

But we need more gun laws! I mean immigration laws. Wait, what are we talking about again?

 

[squarecut1]

As much as I'm against illegal immigration, you have to live in the real and not fantasy world.

You can't deport upwards of 10 million people. There is neither manpower nor money for it. All such talk is for voter consumption.

 

[BoberFett]

As much as I'm against illegal immigration, you have to live in the real and not fantasy world.

You can't deport upwards of 10 million people. There is neither manpower nor money for it. All such talk is for voter consumption.

No but you can deny any benefits such as schooling and dry up the employment pool, and they'll deport themselves.

 

[UberNeuman]

No but you can deny any benefits such as schooling and dry up the employment pool, and they'll deport themselves.

The problem is not them. It is those that abuse cheap labor. That is a problem that is not a D/R issue - we are all to blame.

Do we not like cheap labor to cut lawns, do we not like cheap labor to construct our buildings, and to tend the children. Cheap labor that builds the cell phone, the Android device, the Apple product, the computer on which you now use....

To those of you that have managed to answer the issue of illegal immigration within a span of 24 hours:

You've broke the case, kids. Congrats....

 

[Svnla]

As much as I'm against illegal immigration, you have to live in the real and not fantasy world.

You can't deport upwards of 10 million people. There is neither manpower nor money for it. All such talk is for voter consumption.

How about we try these first:

1. No amnesty
2. No citizenship
3. No benefits (from local, state, federal) such as education
4. No housing
5. No employment (personal assets forfeit penalty for 2nd offense ILLEGALS hiring employers)

Let try those first before we spend a dime to deport (via bus or plane) them ILLEGALS.

 

[Zebo]

No but you can deny any benefits such as schooling and dry up the employment pool, and they'll deport themselves.

Exactly simple problem people (aka TPTB) try and obfuscate to keep cheap labor. Like the fence they wont ever build.

I'd prefer a rigorous passport type qualification national ID instantly everified with a 800 number and youd need it to be hired, rent a room, take a loan, enroll kids in school etc. Would solve this over night and no fence needed you could eliminate border patrol too. Just have customs.

OFC they dont want solutions. They want cheap labor hence joke enforcement and laws.

 

[Vic]

Really easy. Try a fence with watch towers and electronic monitoring. Instead of no fence.

The Saudi–Yemen and Saudi-Iraq border fences are virtually impenetrable and dont even have human monitors out there. Not to mention Israel Palestine.

Saudi Iraq/yemen which stretches longer than our border is.

Israel Palentine

Please explain why we would even want a monstrosity of tyranny like that. Walls that keep people out just as easily keep them in.

 

[Vic]

That is because the i9 is purposely crippled under the guise of discrimination.

The i9 should be used for pre employment check not post,
the government decides if the applicant is eligible to work not the employer therefore removing all responsibility from the employer like the tsa removed responsibility of airline boarding from the airlines.

It should be something akin to instant gun checks, tsa boarding checks, credit card check were the approval/disapproval happens at the time of job application,

if there is a rejection the potential employer must provide in writing to the current prospect regardless if they would have been hired with directions to the nearest ssa office if the applicant believes there is an error,

the applicant can petition his local social security office, which should already have been notified by the i9 system of the rejection automatically, to find out why he/she can't be employed and the government must give a detailed answer or fix the problem.

So what you're saying is that the government never mistakes? Or that if the government does make an error that prevents a legal citizen from obtaining employment, we should just consider their hardship to be in the "greater good" of trying to stop illegal immigration?

 

[Zebo]

Please explain why we would even want a monstrosity of tyranny like that. Walls that keep people out just as easily keep them in.

They have openings. Walls dont keep anyone or anything out or in entitled to pass though check points. Yeah you won't be able to safely "get to mexico" if the cops are after you anymore. Double bonus.

And you call this tyranny? Violates no part of Constitution unlike thousands of other laws and projects. How so?

 

[Vic]

They have openings. Walls dont keep anyone or anything out or in entitled to pass though check points. Yeah you won't be able to safely "get to mexico" if the cops are after you anymore. Double bonus.

And you call this tyranny? Violates no part of Constitution unlike thousands of other laws and projects. How so?

You think a huge wall with regular check points and guard towers manned by armed soldiers that spans for thousands of miles isn't tyranny? Interesting.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

How about we try these first:

1. No amnesty
2. No citizenship
3. No benefits (from local, state, federal) such as education
4. No housing
5. No employment (personal assets forfeit penalty for 2nd offense ILLEGALS hiring employers)

Let try those first before we spend a dime to deport (via bus or plane) them ILLEGALS.

Wait so you are going to arrest 10 million folk?

Really I cant sere what else you are going to do after you implement your 5 rules.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Svnla]

Wait so you are going to arrest 10 million folk?

Really I cant sere what else you are going to do after you implement your 5 rules.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

IF and When the ILLEGALS know that they can't get what they want and crave such as US citizenships, jobs, benefits, etc. they will more than likely to leave.

Reward bad behavior WILL bring even more bad behavior. See the result of the 1986 Amnesty.

Expect different result when you repeat the same mistake as before = sheer stupidity/crazy.

 

[Zebo]

IF and When the ILLEGALS know that they can't get what they want and crave such as US citizenships, jobs, benefits, etc. they will more than likely to leave.

Reward bad behavior WILL bring even more bad behavior. See the result of the 1986 Amnesty.

Expect different result when you repeat the same mistake as before = sheer stupidity/crazy.

They are not crazy. They want cheap labor and votes. They would like totally open borders but are terrified of losing their seats.

When i say they I mean 1%ers you know guys who make 65% of the wealth and politicians they buy.

I myself go back and forth on this issue. Even though I'm pretty sure it will destory our economy, make class divisions larger than ever, an kill "traditional disadvantaged minorities" aka black people. I like illegals and immigrants. Hard fuckin workers. Good families. Good people. Some days I'm all open the gates others I'm all - country will look like Venezuela in no time.

 

[shortylickens]

OK, first off, theres 12 million illegal aliens.

Second, we dont have to touch them. Just jail or even fine the Americans who are abusing the system and supporting illegal aliens. You wouldnt even have to punish all of them. After the first few dozen convictions this problem would clear itself up.

 

[BoberFett]

So what you're saying is that the government never mistakes? Or that if the government does make an error that prevents a legal citizen from obtaining employment, we should just consider their hardship to be in the "greater good" of trying to stop illegal immigration?

That seems to work for everything else people feel government should be doing these days.

Americans want big government, and that's big government. You're gonna break a few eggs.

You know I don't want that, but what I want doesn't matter, I'm a fringe in this country who believes in small accountable government. The vast majority want massive government to wipe their tears and their asses.

 

[BoberFett]

Wait so you are going to arrest 10 million folk?

Really I cant sere what else you are going to do after you implement your 5 rules.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Are you fucking stupid? Where did his post say anything about arresting anyone?

 

[Jaskalas]

You know I don't want that, but what I want doesn't matter, I'm a fringe in this country who believes in small accountable government. The vast majority want massive government to wipe their tears and their asses.

The unregulated outcome of this is an impoverished United States. Tell me how that isn't the case, and maybe I won't support such walls to evade an existential threat.

How can we possibly import this rising tide of poverty, and be better off for it?

 

[BoberFett]

The unregulated outcome of this is an impoverished United States. Tell me how that isn't the case, and maybe I won't support such walls to evade an existential threat.

How can we possibly import this rising tide of poverty, and be better off for it?

Of course the end is mass poverty in the US. But the politically correct left in this country has successfully made immigration a race issue to draw the line on emotion rather than logic or facts. Of course this is the same group that blames corporations for offshoring, so clearly they don't understand the basic logic that whether you export jobs for cheap labor or import cheap labor to do jobs, the end result is the same. Expecting them to have a rational conversation about immigration is futile.

Faced with this kind of massive willful ignorance, I take care of me and my own, fuck everybody else. They've made their choice and it's poverty.

 

[Zebo]

I dont like either from a economics point of view. Obvious race by capital to put whole world in labor competition with each other and over the barrel while they reap all rewards.

If one govts people gets uppity they will shut down facilities and move to next. What's gonna happen is a world wide slave market. New World Order Indeed.

US used to be an example for others to emulate and raise tides within. Now we are all going China model. (just replace state control with corporate control which they already do most govts)

 

[PlanetJosh]

OK, first off, theres 12 million illegal aliens.

Second, we dont have to touch them. Just jail or even fine the Americans who are abusing the system and supporting illegal aliens. You wouldnt even have to punish all of them. After the first few dozen convictions this problem would clear itself up.

But there's an amnesty law for some undocumented kids because their parents heard kids can get a green card, which is based on some truth. Which I posted before but this is only my 2nd time with the link -

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/special-immigrant-juvenile-status-who-is-eligible.html

A judge has to get involved with choosing which illegal children get to apply for a green card. So not all of them will be citizens of course, but some can and that's the rub. The parents are probably hoping their kids will be selected.

Your views would take care of most of the overall problem of course. At that point if only the children were the problem then short of a completed fence someone may figure out a solution but that's not a sure thing. If you've heard of a solution for it then you could post it. I am not being sarcastic about that.

For example repealing that amnesty law but that probably won't happen until a Repub gets in the White House. And it could stay in place if a Dem is the next president. In that case I'm open to other ideas for a long term solution for the dumping of minors problem. They're even shipping the kids to my city/county here in San Diego. Btw in the article the location of San Ysidro is part of the city of San Diego.

http://timesofsandiego.com/politics...ies-back-san-diego/?google_editors_picks=true

Again I've been to wordy with a reply, trying to shorten up some of these.

 

[Jaskalas]

Of course the end is mass poverty in the US. But the politically correct left in this country has successfully made immigration a race issue to draw the line on emotion rather than logic or facts. Of course this is the same group that blames corporations for offshoring, so clearly they don't understand the basic logic that whether you export jobs for cheap labor or import cheap labor to do jobs, the end result is the same. Expecting them to have a rational conversation about immigration is futile.

Faced with this kind of massive willful ignorance, I take care of me and my own, fuck everybody else. They've made their choice and it's poverty.

That is depressing. I was hoping for some sound reasoning why the wall is opposed, as if we had a better opinion. Admitting defeat isn't what I was looking for.

Why no attempt at a wall to stem back the tide? Heck - my primary demand is a human wall - the US military deployed as a barrier in and of itself. Over time that might transition to a real wall.

I mean... I guess you could logically conclude that our economy will deplete itself regardless of immigration...
Even if we win this battle (illegal immigration) we'd lose the war? (Economy)

 

[squarecut1]

First time was only like 2million...2million aint shit we legally import 2m a year....I dont think it matters after this one. 12m amnesty who are already here + 20-30M familial chain immigration. We will be officially like south america demographically and economically... democrat majority for a long time..they'll want borders wide open certainly no fence.. Which is fine I guess. South America is decent if you're rich. Most people will be fucked.

I'm as much against illegal immigration but am dismayed by the above demographic line of thought. Which lets be honest here, is a big factor in the voices against illegal immigration.

Our ancestors came here and changed the demographics of this land. This should not be about race

 

[Vic]

The unregulated outcome of this is an impoverished United States. Tell me how that isn't the case, and maybe I won't support such walls to evade an existential threat.

How can we possibly import this rising tide of poverty, and be better off for it?

Why didn't the unregulated immigration of the past lead to an impoverished America?

 

[nehalem256]

Please explain why we would even want a monstrosity of tyranny like that. Walls that keep people out just as easily keep them in.

So we are clear you think that people cross into Mexico from the US in the middle of the desert for completely legal purposes?:hmm: