King Obama to rule again: Imigration

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werepossum

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Guest workers, huh. So there are just too many jobs and not enough Americans to do them huh? Unemployment is at 0%?
lol Must be in the negatives, actually. We need these immigrants so that the Americans forced to work two and even three jobs can shed the excess.

Obama wants to move more agents to the southern border and speed up deportation of illegal alien children without going through more hearings (which is currently the law). OMIGOD! Whatever he does, Republicans have decided to oppose.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-seeks-power-return-immigrant-children-152336373--politics.html
Not buying that for one second. Obama has turned the Border Patrol into the Ride into Town Program and now he's claiming he wants to send them back without hearings?

If those formerly known as the Border Patrol can hold hearings and deport illegal immigrants, they can also grant asylum instead.
 

Xellos2099

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Doing nothing IS something, the idea of another amnesty is wrong and whoever suggest it is a traitor to the country. Just All the illegal deserved to be deported by the truckload/boatload. If they try to sneak in again, shoot them, end of problem.
 
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nixium

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Doing nothing IS something, the idea of another amnesty is wrong and whoever suggest it is a traitor to the country. Just All the illegal deserved to be deported by the truckload/boatload. If they try to sneak in again, shoot them, end of problem.

Doing nothing = encouraging illegal immigration. It's that simple.

And obviously the tea party want to support their corporate masters because illegal immigrants can be exploited and used as slave labor. That's why they have a "do nothing" policy.

if they were principled then they should be advancing legislation to do what you suggest above. How come they aren't? Answer: because they prefer an underclass that works for slave wages and is subsidized by the taxpayer.

Disgusting.
 

shortylickens

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Illegal immigration is not a Democrat vs Republican issue. Both parties benefit from it, all the posturing aside

At least the Dems are willing to eventually give them citizenship.

Of course, if we're gonna break the law for purely logical reasons, then we should also kick out all the welfare bitches. Or least take their constitutional rights.


yeah, I am not a happy person. Both of the big parties are screwing over america, they just find different ways to do it.
 

Zaap

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At least the Dems are willing to eventually give them citizenship.
Only as a dangled carrot to lure in millions more.

If I invite tons of people to break into your house to rob it, and promise to grant them a pass on being arrested and held accountable for what they take from you (while encouraging the next wave of crooks to help themselves since the last wave got a pardon) that makes it a righteous thing to do?
 
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Zaap

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Doing nothing = encouraging illegal immigration. It's that simple.

And obviously the tea party want to support their corporate masters because illegal immigrants can be exploited and used as slave labor. That's why they have a "do nothing" policy.

if they were principled then they should be advancing legislation to do what you suggest above. How come they aren't? Answer: because they prefer an underclass that works for slave wages and is subsidized by the taxpayer.

Disgusting.
No idea why you blame this on the tea party of all things. Tea party does not equal Republican. (It's not an actual political party either). The tea party are pretty much the ONLY ones on any side saying exactly what you are.
 

Zebo

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lol a lot of people don't know shit about tea party and just open their stupid gob and repeat lies - they are actually closer to populist liberals wrt wall street, corruption.
 

squarecut1

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yeah, I am not a happy person. Both of the big parties are screwing over america, they just find different ways to do it.

And the general population is either indifferent or helpess under this oligarchy, just like people are under a dictatorship
 

PlanetJosh

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Ward of the State law. It's going to be going around in this thread a lot. Don't try to fight it, you'll probably get frustrated. I'm acting this way about it because it's so specific to the recent problem of the influx of children.

People say enforce the law and that may be fine but what about this Ward of the State one to let undocumented kids apply for a green card.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/special-immigrant-juvenile-status-who-is-eligible.html

It's possible children are being left here in the U.S. while their parents stay behind because word got out that U.S law or statutes allow many of these kids to get on the path to a green card if they are declared a ward of the state.

Yes that's right it's in the law. I capitalized the phrase for effect. Doesn't change that it's legal to use it.

Edit - and the kicker is the law says the kids can't use their application for green card to help their parents get in the country. So even more reason for the parents to have coyotes or themselves dump the kids here while the parents stay back or go back to Central America.

And look I'm not saying the parents in Central America are going around quoting lines from the statute. But the theory is and it's a theory at this point but a good one is like I said above, word got out that kids can get a green card. And those are golden words down there. And it happens to be based on a truth in the law.
 
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The Complete Guide To Obama’s Scandals, Lies, And Blunders From A-Z

With so many scandals and failures within the Obama White House, it’s hard to keep up with all of them because there are so many. The good news for you is that I’ve compiled an A-Z listing of Obama’s scandals and failures..

A. Associated Press Scandal – Remember this? When Attorney General Eric Holder issued his own subpoena to seize phone records of a journalist? Apparently there was a “leak” and the Obama Administration doesn’t want you thinking for yourself, so he teamed up with his legal lapdog and seized several journalists personal home phone records, as well as many other office documents. I just wish that we had some sort of law that prohibited such things…like freedom of the press, or unlawful search & seizure…something really catchy so we don’t get into this mess again.

B. Benghazi – If you don’t know about this, there is simply no hope for you. Here’s what Jason Mattera had to say when he spoke with the former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton about her failure to protect our foreign officials.

C. Chinook Helicopter – This story didn’t get picked up immediately because we were to busy celebrating the death of Osama Bin Laden, but shortly after the successful raid, 38 people died when an RPG shot down a Chinook helicopter on Aug 6, 2011. Official reports have been released but with many details left out, and still virtually no answers from the White House about why this team was sent out in a hostile environment unprepared to handle any level of violence.

D. Drones – The infamous unmanned aircraft that can wage wars while you’re sipping a big gulp happens to be Barack Obama’s favorite method of killing. Of course, naturally, drones started towards the end of Bush 2’s presidency, but absolutely skyrocketed once Obama took office. It’s even been said that under G.W. there was a drone attack every 43 days, but under the Obama administration, there was a drone attack every four days. The ironic thing is that Obama currently holds a Nobel Peace Prize. The sad thing is that he is become really good at killing.

E. Eric Holder – America’s dickhead neighborhood watchman, and 82nd Attorney General of the United States is the only sitting cabinet member to be held in contempt of Congress. In fact, there probably isn’t a scandal on this list that he wasn’t a part of in some fashion.

F. Fort Hood – What do you get when you take a practicing Muslim who makes anti-american statements, and associates with suspected terrorists, and combine it with a President who couldn’t care less? You get the 2009 Fort Hood shooting where 13 people lost their lives to Nidal Malik Hasan, an army major who declared his wanting to defend the lives of his Taliban leaders. The President was criticized for his refusal to acknowledge that the shooting was an act of terrorism and deemed it as “Workplace Violence”.

G. Guantanamo – No doubt, this is the joker in Obama’s deck. Whenever he needs public support behind him, no matter what scandal is public, he will bust out closing Guantanamo forever. Say anything you can to win, right?

H. Healthcare.gov – For the .000001% who were not around for the disastrous rollout of President Obama’s signature “accomplishment”, here’s the gist of it…Obama force-fed a crappy law on the American People, that they didn’t even read, and the website didn’t work. If this still isn’t registering with you, here’s a list of American accomplishments that took less time to build than healthcare.gov

I. IRS Scandal – Now according to the President, there is not one smidgen of corruption within the IRS. But according to everyone else in the country, B.O. was using the IRS to bully conservative groups that were filing for tax-exempt status. As pathetic as that sounds, it’s true, and the finger is pointed directly at the President. God Bless America

J. Jay Carney – He’s the guy your mother forced you to have play dates with in grade school. Think back, I’m sure there was someone like that in your elementary school. If not…then this just got real awkward, real quick. Anyway, Jay Carney grew up to be a White House Press Secretary, an once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, working for the President of The United States. You’re forever ingrained in the history books, one can only dream of such an opportunity…but then again, would you want his gig? Anyway, the reason Jay is on this list is weird, because if you worked for the highest office, especially one under this administration knowing that your every mistake is going to be scrutinized, wouldn’t you hide your soviet-era propaganda away from photographers? I mean, at least TRY to seem like you’re not an anti-capitalist? But take a look at a recent photoshootwith the Carney family for MOM magazine. It’s almost like staring into the future.

K. Keystone Pipeline – The 1,700 mile, $7 billion project that would deliver over 700,000 barrels of oil per day has been a source of contention between democrats and republicans for a few years now. The split seems obvious but when you dig a little deeper you can see some heavy-hitting political donors that are paying politicians for their opposition to it. Despite that even former President Bill Clinton supports the pipeline.

L. Lobbyist – In 2007, Candidate Barack Obama vowed that the days of “lobbyist running the agenda were over” and claimed that they would not work in his White House. He must have forgotten about his promise, because he’s hired over 100 lobbyists that fund his campaign, set the agenda and work in his White House. It seems to me that the problem isn’t the lobbyist, but rather the politician who can’t keep his hands in his own pockets.

M. Monsanto – Is the world’s leading producer of genetically modified foods, which means that they’re the company who openly put toxins, allergens, and diseases in our food, which is super gross, and why I prefer to eat organic foods (don’t hate). In 2007 Obama campaigned against this, seemed reasonable at the time, but there is a big difference between Obama pre/post-election. Even Mother Jones is pissed, because Obama ended up appointing the head of Monsanto to run the FDA shortly after his first election. I’m not joking.

N. NSA – Ahh the National Security Agency. A place of fearless leadership where brave men and women stand to protect us from anything that goes bump in the night, regardless of civil liberties and that pesky little thing we call a Constitution. What started under Bush 2—as the “Patriot Act” (you remember)—became a campaign slogan for the Junior Senator Barack Obama running for President, as something that violated our right to privacy and vowed to end it. Except the last part didn’t happen, instead, the warrantless government spying increased dramatically over the next couple of years under his administration, and he would have gotten away with it to, if it wasn’t for that pesky consultant Edward Snowden…who now sits in Russia as Putin’s guest.

O. Operation Fast and Furious – Once upon a time, two men who were obsessed with gun control, sold weapons to a Mexican cartel in an effort to arrest and dismantle the cartels (one of whom holds a nobel peace prize). Shortly after this, the two men lost track of the guns, and a border patrol agent was murdered with those very guns. I’m sure you can see where this went.

P. Putin – The Campaigning politician was caught on open mic speaking with outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev claiming that he’s on his “last election” and will have more flexibility to negotiate MISSILE CONTROL once the campaign has ended. Medvedev promised to relay the message to Mr. Putin. Conveniently enough, this got turned into a partisan argumentthat quickly died.

Q. Questions – There are still some lingering questions after Obama recently made a promise to students who are getting hit with some heavy student loans. The idea of student loan forgiveness sounds great to those who have a significant debt on their backs, but economically speaking, does not make any bit of sense. The convenient timing of all this is that the President had the Veterans Affairs Scandal, a resigning White House Press Secretary, the IRS scandal, and Benghazi was coming back into the spotlight with Trey Gowdy leading the charge this time. Seriously, I wish I had his job, say whatever you want, do whatever you want, and when you fail…blame the other guy (GOP).

R. Recess Appointments – This wasn’t a ‘major’ scandal by any means, but just continues to prove that President Obama is a complete and total control freak. He issued a recess appointment for the Senate when they weren’t in recess. I know it sounds super nit-picky but the Supreme Court had to step in and give him a slap on the wrist. Just to show how legit this was, here’s an article from MSNBC…for real.

S. Solyndra – Obama’s wet dream that ultimately was a dud. The clean technology company wasted hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars, laid off 1,100 employees, and was raided by the FBI under suspicion of accounting fraud. Serenity Now.

T. Timothy Geithner – The 75th Secretary of the Treasury aka the guy who prints our money aka the guy who cheated on his taxes, but no one cared because democrats are such forgiving people. How nice…

U. Unemployment numbers – I think that it’s safe to say that Barack Obama is a “say anything to win” politician. This became incredibly prevalent during the 2012 elections. The POTUS had to compete against Mitt Romney, who literally made a fortune out of turning failing businesses into profitable one, and was noticeably out of his comfort zone, because the economy was still in the toilet. So if you have no record to run on, what do you do? You make up a record and tout your successes around the country; at least that’s exactly what he did. According to a New York Post article, in August of 2012, the unemployment numbers dropped from 8.1% to 7.8%. Red flags went up immediately; only it was too late, he would move on to win the reelection, and the power hungry president would continue. Forbes magazine did an even more in-depth look into the fudged unemployment numbers. Click Here

V. VA Scandal – Words cannot describe how shameful this is. Veterans are literally dying while waiting to be treated for their war-related injuries while the President is playing golf. If you’re as upset as I am, and want to help, please take a minute and check out some of these organizations: Wounded Warrior Project, Concerned Veterans for America. Veterans are the backbone of this country.

W. Weapons of Mass Destruction – In 2002 (yes 2002), according to a BBC article the US aka Bush 2 claimed that Syria had a “long-standing chemical weapons program”. This seemed crazy to me because for the next 12 years, all I’ve heard from liberals is that Bush is a warmonger and there were never any WMD’s, until 2011 when Syria broke out into a civil war, and their President Bashar Al-Assad, slaughtered his own people with chemical weapons. We almost went over there, but B.O. has no balls, so instead we just gave them a ton of taxpayer money, weapons and training only to find out they’re in fact a terrorist organization; and apparently still using chemical weapons over there

X. This one was hard, but don’t worry, we still got 2 years left

Y. You didn’t build that – Remember when the POTUS said this on the campaign trail? Yeah…about that…I would keep this quiet around Jason Mattera…I’m pretty sure he might disagree.

Z. Zero Votes – That’s the number of Senate Democrats that voted for Obama’s first two budgets. How embarrassing? But I’m sure it’s more complicated than the fact that the President suffers from economic impotence, it just has to be, you bush loving racist.



http://dailysurge.com/2014/06/obamas-scandals-lies-blunders-z/#SYgDtE1c6Hlfe0Ix.01
 

Zaap

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But it does less to encourage it than say giving out work permits to illegal immigrants as Obama did.

Enforcing existing immigration laws is not "doing nothing". Its amazing... people habe so dumbed down this issue that many don't seem to know this country actually HAS immigration laws and that politicians and their corrupt cronies are in violation of them.

Just another smoke screen the pro-illegal crowd has thrown up and that people have gone along with.
 

Zaap

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Ward of the State law. It's going to be going around in this thread a lot. Don't try to fight it, you'll probably get frustrated. I'm acting this way about it because it's so specific to the recent problem of the influx of children.

People say enforce the law and that may be fine but what about this Ward of the State one to let undocumented kids apply for a green card.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/special-immigrant-juvenile-status-who-is-eligible.html

It's possible children are being left here in the U.S. while their parents stay behind because word got out that U.S law or statutes allow many of these kids to get on the path to a green card if they are declared a ward of the state.

Yes that's right it's in the law. I capitalized the phrase for effect. Doesn't change that it's legal to use it.

Edit - and the kicker is the law says the kids can't use their application for green card to help their parents get in the country. So even more reason for the parents to have coyotes or themselves dump the kids here while the parents stay back or go back to Central America.

And look I'm not saying the parents in Central America are going around quoting lines from the statute. But the theory is and it's a theory at this point but a good one is like I said above, word got out that kids can get a green card. And those are golden words down there. And it happens to be based on a truth in the law.
"Word got out..." That's one way of putting it. Its the government itself. They bang the amnesty drum, make statements that we can't do anything with children that come here but take care of them...or else we're evil racists... pretty much lay out that they'll be taken care of, given food etc...


Then act surprised that coyotes who make a killing trafficking people would use that to exploit people and their children and flood them across our borders. Gee, you mean announcing policies of not enforcing laws and taking in children... and constant hand-wringing for the need to grant amnesty... would lead to "word getting out" to send your children to the US? Say it isn't so!

Its all by design.

How many people would go to an impoverished side of their city and stand before a crowd and say: "don't migrate to the house at 123 N Street... buuuuut if you do, you'll get milk, cookies, naps by the fireplace, money and stay as long as you like. So stay where you are! Don't cross the border over to my side of town! ... oh and the teenage girls who live there are hot too.... so don't go! The journey could be dangerous! ...they walk around scantily clad... dont come to 123 N Street! But for those who do come and break in...full pardons will be granted!"

Then when unexpectedly and mysteriously the house is invaded by armies of poor people... go " no idea why this is happening! We warned people not to make the terribly dangerous journey across the border! This is all the fault of those who said 'do nothing! Don't go across town and warn those people of the difficult trip! Don't pass legislation granting invaders immunity for invading!' Now those people that insisted on doing nothing must figure out how to get all those poor people out of their house!"
 
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Matt1970

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Why don't we first make good on the promises of the last immigration reform? Fool me once, shame on you.
 

Orignal Earl

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He’s the guy your mother forced you to have play dates with in grade school. Think back, I’m sure there was someone like that in your elementary school. If not…then this just got real awkward, real quick.

Who was that guy?
Did this just get real awkward..?
 

nixium

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No idea why you blame this on the tea party of all things. Tea party does not equal Republican. (It's not an actual political party either). The tea party are pretty much the ONLY ones on any side saying exactly what you are.

The tea party just seems loud and racist. But that's a generalization so instead of arguing that let me crystallize my position.

I'm not a citizen so I won't comment on the "right way" to do reform.

Fine, the senate bill S.744 CIR sucked. OK. But the right thing to do is to see why it sucked and modify it accordingly. Not sing platitudes for a year and do nothing about it. "President won't enforce laws"? That's the stupidest excuse in the world. With that logic no law is worth passing because you can always accuse the federal government of not enforcing it.

No Amnesty? OK. Then come out with some concrete proposal of what to do with the millions already here. Compromise with what the other guys want, and pass something.

Just ignoring it is having the exact opposite effect. Do republicans think their majority is permanent? What happens when both houses have democratic majority at some point? Complete amnesty, with no compromise.
 

nixium

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Enforcing existing immigration laws is not "doing nothing". Its amazing... people habe so dumbed down this issue that many don't seem to know this country actually HAS immigration laws and that politicians and their corrupt cronies are in violation of them.

Just another smoke screen the pro-illegal crowd has thrown up and that people have gone along with.

The existing laws are outdated and do nothing about the magnet of jobs. They aren't adequate.
 

nixium

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But it does less to encourage it than say giving out work permits to illegal immigrants as Obama did.

Agree, so why aren't the republicans putting up a bill that actually fixes things instead of sitting on their asses and spouting off rubbish? They seem perfectly content with de-facto amnesty.
 

shortylickens

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Obama is a wimp for not doing anything!!

Obama issues an executive order to do something.

WAAAAH!!! Obama is a bully!!

How about he does his god damn job and no more?

The authority and responsibility of the executive branch is to enforce the laws AS THEY ARE WRITTEN!

Its not his job to implement his Secret New Law every year without approval from congress first. It damn sure isn't his job to radically reinterpret the existing laws so he can do whatever he feels like.
 

Svnla

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The tea party just seems loud and racist. But that's a generalization so instead of arguing that let me crystallize my position.

I'm not a citizen so I won't comment on the "right way" to do reform.

Fine, the senate bill S.744 CIR sucked. OK. But the right thing to do is to see why it sucked and modify it accordingly. Not sing platitudes for a year and do nothing about it. "President won't enforce laws"? That's the stupidest excuse in the world. With that logic no law is worth passing because you can always accuse the federal government of not enforcing it.

No Amnesty? OK. Then come out with some concrete proposal of what to do with the millions already here. Compromise with what the other guys want, and pass something.

Just ignoring it is having the exact opposite effect. Do republicans think their majority is permanent? What happens when both houses have democratic majority at some point? Complete amnesty, with no compromise.

What was the result of the amnesty we did in 1986? Did we get even MORE ILLEGALS? Yup, we sure did. So now we are going to do another amnesty for EVEN MORE ILLEGALS but this time, it will be different, right?

Uh huh. :rolleyes:

Can you tell me one country, just one, that anyone would sneak in ILLEGALLY, then demand amnesty or else (except the US with the path we are heading). Why even bother to have immigration laws/rules? Only in America when lawbreakers (ILLEGALS) are openly breaking current immigration law and laughing about it.
 
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Matt1970

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Agree, so why aren't the republicans putting up a bill that actually fixes things instead of sitting on their asses and spouting off rubbish? They seem perfectly content with de-facto amnesty.

Speaking of spouting off rubbish, what exactly needs to be fixed with our current immigration laws?
 

michal1980

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Agree, so why aren't the republicans putting up a bill that actually fixes things instead of sitting on their asses and spouting off rubbish? They seem perfectly content with de-facto amnesty.


because republicans are perfectly happy with providing cheap labor for their corporate cronies, while democrats love welfare voters.

tea party seems to be the only ones making any sense. secure the boarder first. Then figure out/work out a way to legalize the people already here.

But Obama has shown his hand, he doesn't care about securing the boarder, he doesn't care about tens of thousands of anchor kids being brought in. Why? because it helps the democrats get more voters.
 

Zebo

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What was the result of the amnesty we did in 1986? Did we get even MORE ILLEGALS? Yup, we sure did. So now we are going to do another amnesty for EVEN MORE ILLEGALS but this time, it will be different, right?

Uh huh. :rolleyes:

Can you tell me one country, just one, that anyone would sneak in ILLEGALLY, then demand amnesty or else (except the US with the path we are heading). Why even bother to have immigration laws/rules? Only in America when lawbreakers (ILLEGALS) are openly breaking current immigration law and laughing about it.

First time was only like 2million...2million aint shit we legally import 2m a year....I dont think it matters after this one. 12m amnesty who are already here + 20-30M familial chain immigration. We will be officially like south america demographically and economically... democrat majority for a long time..they'll want borders wide open certainly no fence.. Which is fine I guess. South America is decent if you're rich. Most people will be fucked.
 
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1prophet

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Easier said than done and laws are NOT suffcent. Even when i9 kicks back a "not authorized to work" in my state they have 3 months to complete investigation and remain employed while investigation is completed. And my state has a robust e-verify system. Other states have none and takes 3 months to even get i9 back. Illegals just hope job to job every 3-6 mo. Employer is not liable unless he didnt submit i9 or ignored investigation results.

Second you have whole underground economy. The day laborers at home depot, the housekeepers, the body shop paying under the table.

Fences we know work looking at Israel or Saudi. And will create jobs.


That is because the i9 is purposely crippled under the guise of discrimination.

The i9 should be used for pre employment check not post,
the government decides if the applicant is eligible to work not the employer therefore removing all responsibility from the employer like the tsa removed responsibility of airline boarding from the airlines.

It should be something akin to instant gun checks, tsa boarding checks, credit card check were the approval/disapproval happens at the time of job application,

if there is a rejection the potential employer must provide in writing to the current prospect regardless if they would have been hired with directions to the nearest ssa office if the applicant believes there is an error,

the applicant can petition his local social security office, which should already have been notified by the i9 system of the rejection automatically, to find out why he/she can't be employed and the government must give a detailed answer or fix the problem.