News Kim Potter verdict agree or disagree?

[MrSquished]

We all know the only reason op feels this way is because he believes the victim deserved it.

Agreed. Which makes it even worse.

 

[13Gigatons]

We all know the only reason op feels this way is because he believes the victim deserved it.

He deserved to be in prison for shooting someone in the head, carjacking, armed robbery, etc.

If he was then he would not have been driving a car that fateful afternoon.....

 

[feralkid]

That's for the legal system to decide, not some corn shucking cracker on the internet.

 

[allisolm]

Well, the sentence is in. 2 years. Has to serve 2/3 so she can get out in 16 months. Prosecutors had requested seven years and two months while Potter's attorneys argued for a lesser sentence, Potter's attorneys won that one. 16 months for taking a life - not much.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/us/kim-potter-sentencing-daunte-wright/index.html

 

[13Gigatons]

Well, the sentence is in. 2 years. Has to serve 2/3 so she can get out in 16 months. Prosecutors had requested seven years and two months while Potter's attorneys argued for a lesser sentence, Potter's attorneys won that one. 16 months for taking a life - not much.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/us/kim-potter-sentencing-daunte-wright/index.html

She deserved 5 years for all the blubbering she has done.....maybe she just didn't have the right stuff to begin with.

Nobody will be happy with the verdict though. Cop lovers will be angry and cop haters will also be angry.

 

[SKORPI0]

Legal experts question fairness of 2-year sentence for ex-cop who killed Daunte Wright

The light prison sentence issued to former Minnesota Police Officer Kim Potter, a white woman, for killing Wright, a 20-year-old Black motorist, surprised some legal observers.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[IronWing]

She deserved 5 years for all the blubbering she has done.....maybe she just didn't have the right stuff to begin with.

Damn straight! Cops need a callous attitude toward killing innocent people.

 

[Captante]

Although I'm in favor of the prison sentence and of cops being held accountable for their actions in general, I also have to say that I can't understand why anyone in their right mind would want to become a cop these days.

 

[Torn Mind]

As long as one stages the scene just right and deny intent, the person can reduce the penalty.

Cops are “legal experts”. After years in their career, even ones with some conscience will become familiar with all the legal defenses because they often have to sit through hearings and see just how many common folk get away with nothing.

Chronic criminals and lawyers are the two advantaged “legal experts”, because they know that actual truth doesn’t matter in the courts. In fact, if not for their mental issues, the chronic criminal would make a good lawyer.

 

[SKORPI0]

Although I'm in favor of the prison sentence and of cops being held accountable for their actions in general, I also have to say that I can't understand why anyone in their right mind would want to become a cop these days.

In the township where I live, they make >$115/year. And it's a relatively safe place.

 

[MrSquished]

Although I'm in favor of the prison sentence and of cops being held accountable for their actions in general, I also have to say that I can't understand why anyone in their right mind would want to become a cop these days.

It's a job that often requires little training, usually no post high school education and can have lots of perks besides some pay quite well. I think a good amount join because they really want to do good but unfortunately they seem to be silenced by the brotherhood of the power tripping cops that seem to mostly dominate the force. I know someone who had that experience.

 

[Muse]

Yea, accountability is a motherfucker. Not like the good old days when you got a paid vacation, and went back to work like nothing happened.

Well, she got 2 years. IMO she had no intention of shooting Wright with a gun, thought she was using the taser. I feel no vindictiveness towards her. I think she was personally devastated to discover she'd shot him. She didn't walk and keep her badge and get paid leave in the meantime.

 

[Muse]

cops being prosecuted for shit like this should be celebrated not reviled

the whole thing is lamentable from every aspect other than to warn cops not kill people without good cause. She had no intention to do that. All in all it's a sad affair.

 

[Torn Mind]

the whole thing is lamentable from every aspect other than to warn cops not kill people without good cause. She had no intention to do that. All in all it's a sad affair.

Her saying she unintentionally did doesn't mean that is her actual intent. It just meant that information she put into the system had no one to contradict it and of course she would snitch on herself.


The reason the officers moved in to arrest, and possibly Potter crafted rapidly in her head a way to eliminate him without getting life, was in part due to gun control laws--actually a failure to appear for misdemeanor weapons charge for carrying a gun without a permit--and that he engaged in misconduct against another unnamed woman who obtained a protective order against him. The media pathetically emphaiszed the tags and the air freshener while keeping silent about the weapons charge or the protective order.

Protective orders and the like exist because there is a gap in legal being able constrain abusive people versus the proof needed to criminally convict violent people. Many abusers get away with it because they do cover their tracks well enough to escape punishment, as no evidence means laws cannot be enforced. The existence of a protective order but no corresponding criminal case suggests that Wright engaged in misconduct against another and was able to cover his tracks enough to prevent criminal prosecution. One part of covering tracks is to deny the other's account of what happened.

 

[Captante]

Her saying she unintentionally did doesn't mean that is her actual intent

I suspect the actual point intended was there are NO "winners" here.

 

[MrSquished]

I mean it does seem that amazingly after all those years on the force, she apparently mistook her taser for a pistol. I mean it's pretty insane for that to happen but unless she was faking it on the bodycam it seems that is indeed what happened. So it does seem she should serve jail time, but not enough to ruin her life. Seven years is a lot, getting out in 16 months seems a bit light.

What one should do is see if civilians of different ethnicities, what they are sentenced for the same crime, and see if the sentence is fair comparatively.

 

[Torn Mind]

Now that I've fired a Glock 17, it just conforms my initial belief there was any mistake. But legal system can't take "what are you really thinking" in account...or at least the jurors are ignorant bunch of people who never touched a gun.

Glocks have a sight arrangement where there is a front and right sight that needs to be lined up with the eye. The body is very bumpy. The holding technique is also something that beginners can be extremely sloppy with; fingers are not supposed to go in the trigger area until ready. Where the finger contacts the trigger matters, the middle the the print is where people should start out at and adjust until they eliminate pulling the gun to the right or left when shooting. But she fired pretty much a perfect shot and point blank range; she moved closer because that reduces the chances of the bullet missing his vitals even without an ideal stance.

What is missing is where the finger was when drawing the gun. It should not be in the trigger area because that can cause an accidental discharge to the wrong places(like Plaxico Buress). It should have been in the smooth indented section on the top of the Glock. By the time the video catches that, she's absolutely ready to fire based on the finger in the trigger area.

Gun training is ultimately all calibrating good aim at rapid speed, and it's a given that cops spend plenty of time at the range precisely so they are ready in the field.

I have no time to review all the footage of the trial but I suspect the prosecution didn't get into the sordid details of basic gun training, tactile feedback, etc because obviously, they don't want everyone to know how hold a Glock properly. The press(on all sides) obviously didn't let that out either. The reds would be afraid that public opinion on cops would turn if populace knew just how much time they spend at the range and just how detailed work it requires to fire a gun accurately. The blues were stuck in the racism narrative and not emphasizing that any cop can do the exact same bullshit Potter did and often get away with it.

Other important details
The police have better barrels than consumer guns. The gun I used jammed on me twice because my grip was loose. If you don't pull the top of the Glock gun back all the way to release the trigger for reuse, nothing gets fired.

For newbs, the isosceles stance is what gets taught first. For a cop with years of time, and ranges happy to take their money, they can get far more training in shooting in less than ideal stances.

This just because I suddenly have the need to get a gun in the future in conjunction with some non lethal weapons to eliminate threats for good under my own terms since law enforcement is essentially useless for that purpose except in very rare circumstances. But MD requires getting an HQL to legally get a gun.

Wright is also a piece of shit who kinda deserved to die on a moral level, but legally, he was stripped of his "right" to live a life, no matter how harmful it was to others.

Also, nurmoerus criminals go through the system and get away with. A experienced officer would eventually learn all the techniques the criminals and defense lawyers utilized in court to block prosecution. Dissemination of outcomes can be further spread through mere office chatter.

The obvious inference is that while Potter was shouting Taser, she was using the sight system of the Glock to hit Wright right in the vital area. Since she is trained, that's all the time she needed.

With the way Wright's arms were flailing about, and that it wasn't straight on, I have my doubts the Taser would have hit him in the right places.

Holster draw is something that requires its own training.

Damage for the lesson was $220. Cheaper, slower options were available, but with what happened to me, I'm not going to wait an extra three weeks on top of month for the permit to buy arrive.

Then I have to get a wear and carry permit...and then that takes 90 days to process.

 

[SKORPI0]

Former Minnesota police officer Kim Potter released from prison after serving time for deadly shooting of Daunte Wright​

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/24/us/kim-potter-release-prison-daunte-wright/index.html