Killing Them Softly . . . Our Policies

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Women in Africa aren't entitled to any help, so they aren't being punished.

When you get a uterus, you can have an opinion. Until then, keep your misogynistic views to yourself.

And just because it is part of Chinese culture doesn't make it right.

And just because it is part of your sanctimonious culture doesn't mean you can impose your biases on the rest of the world.



Go back and read my first post in this thread. I was thinking of people just like you.

Since when did having a uterus give me the right to have an opinion?
Since when did having a uterus entitle women to free care?
Since when did having a uterus give women the right to murder?

I'm not emposing my "biases" on the rest of the world. Murder is wrong, period. How is that biased?

Because treating abortion as murder is an opinion many people do not share. It is your bias, and you're trying to impose it on others.

 

[daniel1113]

It is your "bias" that abortion is not murder, and your trying to impose it on others. Isn't that wrong?

I think killing another human being is murder. Is that just my bias as well?

Here's an idea: we stop ALL abortions until it can be proven, without a shadow of a doubt, that a fetus, or whatever you want to call it, is not a living human. That way, no murders will happen IF it is found that they are living humans.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
It is your "bias" that abortion is not murder, and your trying to impose it on others. Isn't that wrong?

I think killing another human being is murder. Is that just my bias as well?

Here's an idea: we stop ALL abortions until it can be proven, without a shadow of a doubt, that a fetus, or whatever you want to call it, is not a living human. That way, no murders will happen IF it is found that they are living humans.

I understand your beliefs are deeply held. Nonetheless, they are only your opinions. Others disagree. I am not trying to force anyone to have abortions. You are trying to force people to NOT have them. That is imposing your bias upon others.

You may want to think about how hypocritical you -- and Bush -- appear. You claim to oppose murder, yet you are killing thousands of people. Why? Because one group in the program provides contraceptives that reduce the number of abortions on another continent. But China allows abortions so Marie Stopes International is guilty by association, and by God you're going to punish them, the Reproductive Health for Refugees Consortium, and the women and children of Africa no matter how many people you kill.

Tell me again how this is consistent with Christ's teachings?

 

[daniel1113]

Where did I say I supported Bush or that I was a Christian? And, the last time I've checked, I don't think I have ever killed anyone.

Why don't you stop and consider the idea before bashing the person and the belief?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
It is your "bias" that abortion is not murder, and your trying to impose it on others. Isn't that wrong?

I think killing another human being is murder. Is that just my bias as well?

Here's an idea: we stop ALL abortions until it can be proven, without a shadow of a doubt, that a fetus, or whatever you want to call it, is not a living human. That way, no murders will happen IF it is found that they are living humans.

Yes it's your bias. Stop trying to inflict it on everyone else. The problem with conservative christians is that they're such damn busy-bodies. Always sticking their noses in everyone else's business. "I wonder where the gay people are sticking their dicks?" they ask. "I wonder what women are doing with their own bodies." they wonder. Why don't you mind your own freakin' business for once?

 

[daniel1113]

Um, once again... where did I say anything about what the actions of homosexuals or women? Yep... that's right, I didn't.

I don't care what they choose to do with their bodies. However, they have to accept the consequences of their actions, just as you and I must do the same. As for abortion, as soon as a fetus is a living human, a woman is not just affecting their body. They are affecting the life of that person as well, and that is where the problem comes in. We can do whatever we want with our bodies, until it affects someone else in a way deamed unfit or unjust.

 

[Moonbeam]

That women get pregnant is a fact not a choice. She chooses to have sex, maybe, but not to get pregnant. So there is really nothing you can justify blambing her for or holding her to since it wasn't her choice.

 

[daniel1113]

When you have sex, you accept the risk to get pregnant. After all, that is sorta the point of sex (gee... who knew?). If she is big enough to be having sex, she is big enough to take responsibilty for her actions.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
When you have sex, you accept the risk to get pregnant. After all, that is sorta the point of sex (gee... who knew?). If she is big enough to be having sex, she is big enough to take responsibilty for her actions.

Why do you acept that risk when you have sex. Where'd you get that from. Out of your head again, I bet. The point of having sex most times I've had it is sex itself. I like sex I don't want a million kids, but I want that much sex. Kids are either an intentional byproduct of sex or an accidental one. In the case of the latter there's no choice and so no obligation. There was no choice in the former either, just luck.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Kids are either an intentional byproduct of sex or an accidental one. In the case of the latter there's no choice and so no obligation. There was no choice in the former either, just luck.

Intentional or accidental, you know the risk when you have sex. You are obligated, even if you tried to avoid it (at least you should be). Who else are you gonna blame? The "accident"? Or, how about two consenting adults take responsibility for their actions. Uh oh, it's that personal responsibility thing again. Darn it... don't you just hate that?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Kids are either an intentional byproduct of sex or an accidental one. In the case of the latter there's no choice and so no obligation. There was no choice in the former either, just luck.

Intentional or accidental, you know the risk when you have sex. You are obligated, even if you tried to avoid it (at least you should be). Who else are you gonna blame? The "accident"? Or, how about two consenting adults take responsibility for their actions. Uh oh, it's that personal responsibility thing again. Darn it... don't you just hate that?

What does this have to do with the topic of the thread? Just curious.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Kids are either an intentional byproduct of sex or an accidental one. In the case of the latter there's no choice and so no obligation. There was no choice in the former either, just luck.

Intentional or accidental, you know the risk when you have sex. You are obligated, even if you tried to avoid it (at least you should be). Who else are you gonna blame? The "accident"? Or, how about two consenting adults take responsibility for their actions. Uh oh, it's that personal responsibility thing again. Darn it... don't you just hate that?

See, there you are. You are into blame. Look at the loaded words: Risk, obligated, blame, responsibility, hate. These are all the result of being programmed by fear. You've been put in a straight jacket and want everybody else in one too. But I understand. I just hate it when other people have fun in sex. Damn them, no easy way our for me. I gotta ware my saddle and bridal and hope somebody will groom me.

 

[daniel1113]

Yep. Good job taking all of those wods out of context.

Where did I say sex wasn't fun? It's a riot, but that doesn't mean it doesn't serve as the means to reproduction as well. Have as much fun as you want (I know I will), but in the end, you are responsible for any "accidents" that occur. It takes two to tango, and those two should be responsible for their actions. See how many "loaded" words you can find in this post.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Yep. Good job taking all of those wods out of context.

Where did I say sex wasn't fun? It's a riot, but that doesn't mean it doesn't serve as the means to reproduction as well. Have as much fun as you want (I know I will), but in the end, you are responsible for any "accidents" that occur. It takes two to tango, and those two should be responsible for their actions. See how many "loaded" words you can find in this post.

You said it wasn't fun when you overlaid it with all that emotional baggage. My responsibility is not to knock up somebody who would have a kid I don't want or not have one I do. That's it. Beyond that it's the woman's choice not yours or mine. Two don't get to tango, it's only the mother who carries the child. Once a pregnancy occurs it's tough poo for dad. His choice has passed.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All these controversies happen because Republican men have no balls. They were squeezed out of existence by their mothers. All their lives their mothers have been telling them what to do and what not to do. They are mind phucked and now spend the rest of their lives pretending to grow their stunted glands back to normal size by trying to control the fertility of women. Only men of real substance can allow women choice and not fear. Republican men are hen pecked and now act like chickens. They're so traumatized and scared they even have to hide behind God.

Funny, I know a few Liberal Atheists who are against abortion...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All these controversies happen because Republican men have no balls. They were squeezed out of existence by their mothers. All their lives their mothers have been telling them what to do and what not to do. They are mind phucked and now spend the rest of their lives pretending to grow their stunted glands back to normal size by trying to control the fertility of women. Only men of real substance can allow women choice and not fear. Republican men are hen pecked and now act like chickens. They're so traumatized and scared they even have to hide behind God.

Funny, I know a few Liberal Atheists who are against abortion...

Me for example. I don't believe in either in the usual way.

 

[RogerAdam]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All these controversies happen because Republican men have no balls. They were squeezed out of existence by their mothers. All their lives their mothers have been telling them what to do and what not to do. They are mind phucked and now spend the rest of their lives pretending to grow their stunted glands back to normal size by trying to control the fertility of women. Only men of real substance can allow women choice and not fear. Republican men are hen pecked and now act like chickens. They're so traumatized and scared they even have to hide behind God.

Funny, I know a few Liberal Atheists who are against abortion...

Me for example. I don't believe in either in the usual way.

Screw the whole "contraversy" approach, who says that ANY country MUST contribute ANYTHING to another country? Hell, if your so bent on "helping" send your money WILLINGLY, why should someone tell you what and where it's going?

Some people may not wish to contribute to certain countries/charites/humanitarian because it may conflict with their ideals, and you know what - there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, you'd feel the same if a "cause" was funded that you didn't particularly like, that's what I think charrison was driving as a point, and IMO it's logical, it doesn't make charrison any worse of a person, and it surely doesn't give anyone who disagrees with that logic moral highground.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: RogerAdam

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All these controversies happen because Republican men have no balls. They were squeezed out of existence by their mothers. All their lives their mothers have been telling them what to do and what not to do. They are mind phucked and now spend the rest of their lives pretending to grow their stunted glands back to normal size by trying to control the fertility of women. Only men of real substance can allow women choice and not fear. Republican men are hen pecked and now act like chickens. They're so traumatized and scared they even have to hide behind God.

Funny, I know a few Liberal Atheists who are against abortion...

Me for example. I don't believe in either in the usual way.

Screw the whole "contraversy" approach, who says that ANY country MUST contribute ANYTHING to another country? Hell, if your so bent on "helping" send your money WILLINGLY, why should someone tell you what and where it's going?

Some people may not wish to contribute to certain countries/charites/humanitarian because it may conflict with their ideals, and you know what - there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, you'd feel the same if a "cause" was funded that you didn't particularly like, that's what I think charrison was driving as a point, and IMO it's logical, it doesn't make charrison any worse of a person, and it surely doesn't give anyone who disagrees with that logic moral highground.

Exactly.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: RogerAdam

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All these controversies happen because Republican men have no balls. They were squeezed out of existence by their mothers. All their lives their mothers have been telling them what to do and what not to do. They are mind phucked and now spend the rest of their lives pretending to grow their stunted glands back to normal size by trying to control the fertility of women. Only men of real substance can allow women choice and not fear. Republican men are hen pecked and now act like chickens. They're so traumatized and scared they even have to hide behind God.

Funny, I know a few Liberal Atheists who are against abortion...

Me for example. I don't believe in either in the usual way.

Screw the whole "contraversy" approach, who says that ANY country MUST contribute ANYTHING to another country? Hell, if your so bent on "helping" send your money WILLINGLY, why should someone tell you what and where it's going?

Some people may not wish to contribute to certain countries/charites/humanitarian because it may conflict with their ideals, and you know what - there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, you'd feel the same if a "cause" was funded that you didn't particularly like, that's what I think charrison was driving as a point, and IMO it's logical, it doesn't make charrison any worse of a person, and it surely doesn't give anyone who disagrees with that logic moral highground.

Exactly.

Blow it out your ass. When am I going to be able to opt out of paying the freight for the Moron's war in Iraq.

 

[daniel1113]

Refuse to pay your taxes, vote for someone else, run for office, move to a different country, sign a petition... there are a lot of things you could do.

Or, you can continue to attack people on these boards that don't agree with your views (aka. Christians).

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Refuse to pay your taxes, vote for someone else, run for office, move to a different country, sign a petition... there are a lot of things you could do.

Or, you can continue to attack people on these boards that don't agree with your views (aka. Christians).

If you were refering to me please show me where I attacked Christians.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: RogerAdam

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All these controversies happen because Republican men have no balls. They were squeezed out of existence by their mothers. All their lives their mothers have been telling them what to do and what not to do. They are mind phucked and now spend the rest of their lives pretending to grow their stunted glands back to normal size by trying to control the fertility of women. Only men of real substance can allow women choice and not fear. Republican men are hen pecked and now act like chickens. They're so traumatized and scared they even have to hide behind God.

Funny, I know a few Liberal Atheists who are against abortion...

Me for example. I don't believe in either in the usual way.

Screw the whole "contraversy" approach, who says that ANY country MUST contribute ANYTHING to another country? Hell, if your so bent on "helping" send your money WILLINGLY, why should someone tell you what and where it's going?

Some people may not wish to contribute to certain countries/charites/humanitarian because it may conflict with their ideals, and you know what - there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, you'd feel the same if a "cause" was funded that you didn't particularly like, that's what I think charrison was driving as a point, and IMO it's logical, it doesn't make charrison any worse of a person, and it surely doesn't give anyone who disagrees with that logic moral highground.

Exactly.

Blow it out your ass. When am I going to be able to opt out of paying the freight for the Moron's war in Iraq.

Blow it out your ass. When am I going to be able to opt out of paying for the scheme/scam called "Social Security"?

CkG

 

[CaptnKirk]

Simple way to "Opt-Out" of paying for Social Security - run for Government Office and get elected.
They don't have to pay into Social Security, as they are way too important for that trivial entitlement.
They then get everything free for the rest of their lives - at Taxpayers expense.
(Even after just one term)

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUYBlow it out your ass. When am I going to be able to opt out of paying for the scheme/scam called "Social Security"?

CkG

What? You gotta beef with the old people in this country? Take it up with the AARP. If they don't smack you about the noggin for being a damn fool whippersnapper.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

DM and CnK - Bowfinger will along shortly, wearing his forum cop hat, and tell us we are off-topic

CnK- If I was elected to a position that would take me out of the "scheme" - I'd do everything I could to change that. I don't believe that our elected officials should have a different "plan" than the rest of us. They should have to live under the same policies that they put in place for us serfs.

DM - if some of the libs here on this board are truely "concerned" about leaving debt to our grandkids and great-grandkids - they'd seek to FIX SS so it doesn't bankrupt us as it is scheduled to do no matter if we actuall pony up the IOU monies.

Now back on topic (just for Bowfinger

) - RogerAdam was entirely correct in his comments on this - IMO.

CkG