"Killing is [morally] fine" Discuss

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Is Killing fine?

  • Yes

  • No

  • In self defence

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HAL9000

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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corwin said:
It's dangerous to you and you're family to assume he isn't, it's only dangerous to him, a criminal who chose to break the law and take his chances, if you assume he is...so again, which is more valuable, whose life would you rather risk by assumption, yours or his?
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I'd rather not assume at all.
 
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MikeMike

Lifer
Feb 6, 2000
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HAL9000 said:
Arm myself with something, prepare for every eventuality.
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wait, i thought you weren't assuming anything... if you aren't assuming anything why are you arming yourself? because you are assuming he might be dangerous???
 
HAL9000

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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MikeMike said:
wait, i thought you weren't assuming anything... if you aren't assuming anything why are you arming yourself? because you are assuming he might be dangerous???
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I'm preparing for every eventuality, him being dangerous is one of them.
 
Dr. Zaus

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2008
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I killed a dog today, it had a degenerative heart condition and it was simply inhumane to leave it to die like that.
 
corwin

corwin

Diamond Member
Jan 13, 2006
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HAL9000 said:
I'd rather not assume at all.
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That's never an option, you assume one way or the other, either they're a threat or not...if they're a threat then never take chances with more "valuable" lives...or sit down and have some tea with them or go hide in a closet and take what's coming like a sheep
 
HAL9000

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,021
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corwin said:
That's never an option, you assume one way or the other, either they're a threat or not...if they're a threat then never take chances with more "valuable" lives...or sit down and have some tea with them or go hide in a closet and take what's coming like a sheep
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It seems like an option from where I'm sat. Even if I did assume he was a threat, that doesn't justify killing him.
 
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bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
13,312
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HAL9000 said:
No it's not, I made the distinction that when choosing between the two lives, his life has less of a value to me than my own or that of my families. When he enters the house I'm not choosing between lives.
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The only distinction is the values we place. You value the situation differently, you value your life differently, you value their life differently. But the logic is the same regardless of any of those variables. We have a situation where i weigh my life vs theirs and deide it is more valuable. Stop forcing your morals on logic. The two don't mix.
 
HAL9000

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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MikeMike said:
like... your life?
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No, like a TV or a Laptop, maybe jewellery, you'd have to look it up to find out what is most commonly stolen from homes during a burglary.

bfdd said:
The only distinction is the values we place. You value the situation differently, you value your life differently, you value they're life differently. But the logic is the same regardless of any of those variables. We have a situation where i weigh my life vs theirs and deide it is more valuable. Stop forcing your morals on logic. The two don't mix.
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Morals and Logic mix perfectly. Some of the best moral theory ever created is based on Logic (IMO all the best moral theory)
 
corwin

corwin

Diamond Member
Jan 13, 2006
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HAL9000 said:
I don't know what he's there for. Statistically he's most likely there to steal things.
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Your willing to risk your life and your families lives on "statistics"?!? Seriously? That's not showing you value them very much
 
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MikeMike

Lifer
Feb 6, 2000
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HAL9000 said:
No, like a TV or a Laptop, maybe jewellery, you'd have to look it up to find out what is most commonly stolen from homes during a burglary.



Morals and Logic mix perfectly. Some of the best moral theory ever created is based on Logic (IMO all the best moral theory)
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yes, and Logic dictates... Guy breaks into my house, he IMMEDIATELY becomes a threat to my livelihood.
 
HAL9000

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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corwin said:
Your willing to risk your life and your families lives on "statistics"?!? Seriously? That's not showing you value them very much
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Of course not, but I'm also not willing to assume there's deadly risk when there may not be.

MikeMike said:
yes, and Logic dictates... Guy breaks into my house, he IMMEDIATELY becomes a threat to my livelihood.
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What logic?
 
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bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
13,312
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HAL9000 said:
No, like a TV or a Laptop, maybe jewellery, you'd have to look it up to find out what is most commonly stolen from homes during a burglary.



Morals and Logic mix perfectly. Some of the best moral theory ever created is based on Logic (IMO all the best moral theory)
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Lol. Morals are based on emotion. If we were rational logical creatures we never would have created morals.
 
FallenHero

FallenHero

Diamond Member
Jan 2, 2006
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HAL9000 said:
No.

Hey, some uninvited guest is in my house... treat with caution.
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Im curious as to how you would treat with caution anyone that enters your home uninvited.

Let's go with this scenario: You wake up to the sound of something breaking (glass, door, something got knocked over, ect) You enter your kitchen and see man, dressed in dark clothing, wearing a backpack and holding a prized possession of yours. Your wife is upstairs with your 6 year old daughter. The man grabs a knife from the countertop.

How do you "treat with caution?" What would your thought process be as the scenario changes from the point of hearing the sound, seeing him, and him grabbing a weapon.
 
HAL9000

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,021
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bfdd said:
Lol. Morals are based on emotion. If we were rational logical creatures we never would have created morals.
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Whilst that is a fair assertion, we aren't purely logical creatures.

So I disagree morality is what drives society, morality (for me) is based on what is best for the greatest number of people, or for the most valuable lives. This isn't emotional, this is logical. Morality is not pure emotion, it can be logical. There are more logical moral theories than I care to name.
 
HAL9000

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,021
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FallenHero said:
Im curious as to how you would treat with caution anyone that enters your home uninvited.

Let's go with this scenario: You wake up to the sound of something breaking (glass, door, something got knocked over, ect) You enter your kitchen and see man, dressed in dark clothing, wearing a backpack and holding a prized possession of yours. Your wife is upstairs with your 6 year old daughter. The man grabs a knife from the countertop.

How do you "treat with caution?" What would your thought process be as the scenario changes from the point of hearing the sound, seeing him, and him grabbing a weapon.
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The man grabs a knife? That's a threat right there, I'd respond with a knife.

MikeMike said:
i know this because HE IS IN MY FUCKING HOUSE... UNINVITED... how the fuck do you not understand this? or do you just like making others riled up?
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So because he's in your house uninvited he's there to hurt or kill you? This is a logical fact based conclusion to you?
 
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